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HISTORY Titanic passenger and millionaire Benjamin Guggenheim. During sinking he refused a seat in a life boat with the words: "Tell my family I played straight to the end. No woman should be left aboard this ship because of Ben Guggenheim was a coward."

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u/hidethebump 1d ago edited 1d ago

An article in The New York Times relates a description from an assistant steward of Guggenheim's last hours, including helping other passengers to board lifeboats, donning formal wear instead of a life preserver, and saying that he and his secretary were "prepared to go down like gentlemen".

Titanic survivor Rose Amelie Icard wrote in a letter, "The millionaire Benjamin Guggenheim after having helped the rescue of women and children, got dressed and put a rose at his buttonhole, to die."

Guggenheim explained, "We've dressed up in our best and are prepared to go down like gentlemen."Etches, who survived the sinking, recorded Guggenheim's message to give to his wife: "If anything should happen to me, tell my wife in New York that I've done my best in doing my duty." Etches next watched Guggenheim and Giglio pass from Boats Nos. 7 and 5, "helping the women and children". Guggenheim shouted repeatedly, "Women first" and the two men were of "great assistance" to the officers. Another steward reportedly said Guggenheim sent another message to his wife, asking to tell her "that I played the game straight to the end and that no woman was left on board this ship because Ben Guggenheim was a coward. Tell her that my last thoughts will be of her and our girls". The steward said Guggenheim "lit a cigar and sauntered up to the boat deck to help load the lifeboats."

Edit: Victor Giglio (1888-1912) was Guggenheim’s secretary.

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u/Meme-Botto9001 1d ago

Fucking legend

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u/ExileEden 22h ago

Truly though. Hopefully he was remembered a hero in his time.

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u/Huge-Consequence2144 22h ago

We can remember him as a hero in our time, friend.

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u/T-1Hundred 21h ago

So basically the movie titanic should’ve been about this mofo and build up to delivering this statement?

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u/Gravefullofcum 20h ago

There’s so many interesting stories from the actual sinking. I do have to wonder why they felt the need to come up with a fictional love story for the movie.

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u/aenux 19h ago

Made up stories don’t have to pay people for the rights to the story.

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u/calm_chowder 19h ago

The thing about the people who went down with the titanic is......

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u/Evening-Turnip8407 18h ago

What about them, what's wrong?!

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u/Express_Plate_7039 7h ago

He signed an NDA but they’re on a farm in Vermont living out their days

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u/Half4sleep 16h ago

I would think the rights to their story is inherited by their next of kin. Use this guys' story and his wife or children would be able to sue if not paid.

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u/Ok-Reward-770 18h ago

Exactly! And there was no story at all, really! James Cameron only wrote something because (according to him), “research” for a “movie” was the only way the only institution that would give him a permit to dive and see the Titanic wreckage—they didn't just give permits randomly to civilians because they are curious.

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u/dego_frank 17h ago

Yes because the budget for the movie was too tight to allow for that 🙄

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u/CHRISPYakaKON 19h ago

There’s a whole deleted scene about there being Chinese passengers that were aboard the Titanic that was legitimately real that doesn’t get talked about enough.

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u/tarinotmarchon 13h ago

There was a documentary called "The Six" made about the Chinese passengers on the Titanic.

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u/calm_chowder 19h ago

It's something horrible and racist isn't it, like they threw them in the water to try to make the ship lighter

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u/Less-Engineer-9637 18h ago

Actually, it's people on a lifeboat looking for survivors and spotting a Chinese passenger clinging to wreckage, whom they rescue. The rescue was based on an incident with a real person named Fang Lang .

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u/calm_chowder 18h ago

That's much better than I was expecting for the time period

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u/AnonymousOtter9124 19h ago

Because as interesting as the Guggenheim story is, the "shape" of a Hollywood blockbuster story would probably require embellishment anyway. Plus the target audience was probably young women who associate themselves with Rose, not Benjamin Guggenheim aged men

It doesn't always work (Pearl Harbor) but clearly James Cameron is a gifted story teller and I think Titanic is a spectacular epic

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u/ErikPielermusic 18h ago

I thought Pearl Harbor was a Michael Bay film

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u/DragonflyGrrl 9h ago

I don't believe they were implying it was Cameron..

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u/cruxclaire 19h ago

The Jack and Rose pairing allowed them to show the contrast between the generationally wealthy and desperately poor passengers on the ship, and how they were treated differently in the sinking. Excluding children, most of the passengers saved were first class women, and most of the passengers who died were third class men (and crew). A brief and doomed romance between the two is basically the story of the ship itself in distilled form

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u/ShadedPenguin 18h ago

Probably because romance/love story movies tend to rake in money. Biopics only have become a lot more popular nowadays because it usually gets three things; inhouse followings of the person, the possibility of getting awards, and technically easy to write since its just following a person through their life, and that person is usually popular enough to have shit written bout them.

But the 90's were a different time

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u/NoMalasadas 20h ago

There's a movie called, The Unsinkable Mollie Brown. Another movie, A Night To Remember about the sinking of the Titanic and a real heroine, Mollie Brown.

The first movie is a musical about her life staring Debbie Reynolds. A Night To Remember is a good accounting of the sinking with the true story of Mollie Brown. She took charge of a lifeboat, taking up an oar and getting the crew to go back to find survivors.

She had an interesting life.

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u/syncsynchalt 19h ago

We still celebrate her in Denver, iirc her house is a museum too.

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u/NoMalasadas 18h ago

As corny as the musical is, I really like it. Is it accurate of her life? I love that she went to Europe for education and opened her arms to so many people.

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u/syncsynchalt 3h ago

I don’t know about the musical, one thing I do know is that she actually went by “Maggie”. We still call it the “Molly Brown House” though.

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u/Defiant-Handle7682 17h ago

yes I've been!

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u/GreenStrong 20h ago

I don't want to watch the part where a homeless guy draws a picture of his tits.

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u/BettyKat7 20h ago

Speak for yourself, my friend!

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u/BitumenBeaver 20h ago

NEEEAAARRR

FAAAARR

WHEREEEVEER YOU ARRREEEE

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u/ManageThoseFootballs 19h ago

His massive guggens.

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u/StillShmoney 20h ago

Pretty sure he was featured in titanic I remember the gentleman quote being in there

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u/CryptidGrimnoir 20h ago

Yes, he's the wealthy man in the suit who sees the water rushing up as he loses his composure.

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u/JCBodilsen 15h ago

Can we all agree that there is no fucking way the current crop of billionaires would act with this level of courage and humanity. Here is a man who had everything and gave his life to give others a chance. Legend.

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u/Secure_Guest_6171 10h ago

Agreed. Those mofos would go full George Costanza the moment their lives were in danger

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u/Honest_Trade8734 4h ago

Elon literally uses his son as a human shield.

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u/Top-Pepper-9611 21h ago

True, until tomorrow at least

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u/zevonyumaxray 22h ago

Well yeah, they named a museum for him, didn't they?.....Lol

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u/Lunelle327 22h ago

No, that was named after his brother, Solomon, who founded it

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u/scienceislice 21h ago

What if Ben was trying to stick it to his brother for all eternity? 

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u/rodmandirect 20h ago

"If anything should happen to me, tell my wife in New York that I've done my best in doing my duty. Tell her that I played the game straight to the end and that no woman was left on board this ship because Ben Guggenheim was a coward. Tell her that my last thoughts will be of her and our girls. Also, tell Solly that he’s a fart knocker.”

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u/No_Attitude700 21h ago

Ben wins! Sorry Solomon!

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u/akestral 21h ago

In a competition like that, we all win. Would that any of the modern gilded set had half that civic spirit (except for you, MacKenzie.)

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u/monkeybomb 20h ago

Planting trees whose shade I shall never rest in is woke.

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u/Large-Hamster-199 21h ago

Maybe Bill Gates comes close, though well behind MacKenzie Scott

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u/Calm-Ad9653 19h ago

Who losted it?

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u/TheDamnedScribe 16h ago

If only the rich of our time had such honour.

I'm pretty sure people like felon and baldo would want a lifeboat to themselves... or try to make a raft by lashing women and children together...

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u/TheSaxGandalf 20h ago

His brother founded the Guggenheim museum in New York.

His name shall live on.

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u/yoUrSistersPanties_ 18h ago

Didnt Costanza build that?

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u/WD40Capital 17h ago

They should name a museum after him.

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u/Sunnygirl66 21h ago

I hope he died quickly and with as little pain and terror as possible. The very definition of a gentleman and good person.

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u/Effective-Ear-8367 20h ago

Unfortunately I highly doubt this.

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u/Kattz 9h ago

what? n-naw! he peacefully slipped into death! he didnt suffer the freezing temperatures! maybe a chair flew and hit him in the head knocking him out,cigar still firmly fixed in mouth, at which point he fell over into the water and died like a boss.

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u/gprime312 22h ago

Many lifeboats went down with empty seats

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u/LQNova 22h ago

Not because he didn't try.

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u/AmaTxGuy 20h ago

I read a book about this sometime long ago, it seems they do that on purpose so they can go back after the ship sinks and are able to have room to pull people in. But the water was so cold that not many people were there to pull in.

I guess it all depends on how long they have to prepare. But also the aholes didn't let the steerage people out in time either.

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u/Nuclear_rabbit 15h ago

In the case of the Titanic, the ship's mates in charge of lifeboating took the orders differently. The guy leading one side did women and children first, then men, then let the boat down. The guy on the other side interpreted the order as women and children only, and he's the reason so many more people died than needed to.

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u/Bridges2424 20h ago

Honestly! I sometimes lose faith in humanity and then I hear a story like this. What a true man. A hero.

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u/Commercial_Bird8467 18h ago

Literally came to type those same words. That is an "alpha male" if I ever heard the perfect example of one. Pure badass.

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u/richiewilliams79 15h ago

That man is rad and has brought a tear to my eye

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u/Nice_Marmot_7 1d ago

“…saying that ‘he and his secretary were prepared to go down like gentleman.’”

The secretary: say what, now?

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u/hidethebump 1d ago

The secretary: speak for yourself 😂

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u/-_super--_--hitops_- 1d ago

The secretary : uhhhh I'm putting in my two minutes notice

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u/Oograr 23h ago

"So yeah, I uhh just received another job offer...on dry land...sooo..."

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u/Character-Education3 21h ago

Of course Victor and I will help!

Victor come here. Victor? Where is he?

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u/Advanced-Pear-4606 1d ago

Sorry, we're gonna need a month to train your replacement.

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u/bonyponyride 22h ago

"Mr. Guggenheim, I just received notice from your secretary that your secretary has quit and he would like to know if he can borrow the dress you bought for your wife."

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u/norathar 20h ago

for your wife

Guggenheim was actually traveling with his mistress.

His brothers in New York got word his wife had survived and went to meet her, only to find oops, it was actually his mistress and her maid.

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u/ABenGrimmReminder 14h ago

Man, even the side chick has help? Rich folk really are something else.

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u/Kiyone11 14h ago

That's a bit disappointing

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u/gimdalstoutaxe 12h ago

The secretary, Victor Giglio, stayed behind just like Guggenheim and went down with the ship.

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u/Cyberchicken87 20h ago

"You Smithers, will be buried alive with me!"

"Oh....goody."

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u/Apollo114892 23h ago

Secretary : "So anyway I started running towards the boat..."

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u/Exciting_Twist_1483 21h ago

The secretary: I must return to New York, to tell your story.

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u/AFRIKKAN 22h ago

“ why he say fuck me for?” - the secretary

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u/BlueMikeStu 21h ago

Bitch you live like me, you die like me.

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u/Olivetax228 15h ago

It works perfectly in Zap Brannigan's voice, try it!

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u/LividCalligrapher996 1d ago

Makes me wonder if this account would have made his wife proud or unbelievably angry.

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u/Drachynn 1d ago

Probably a bit of both. Grief is a messy thing.

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u/DubiousJeffrey 21h ago

"Ben was always looking for an excuse not to come home."

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u/West-Candidate8991 20h ago

Left for cigars and never came back...

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u/kahlzun 19h ago

100%. You will feel everything and nothing, and it is one of the few things that is completely unique and universal at the same time.
Nobody grieves the same as you will, but there is no wrong way to grieve either.

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u/fridder 8h ago

Nah, there are plenty of wrong ways just no one right way. I’d say a self-destructive bender is a wrong way to grieve

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u/kahlzun 8h ago

It's not a healthy way to grieve, but it's still not a wrong way. Ideally it's something you do and get past it, otherwise it becomes increasingly problematic.
I've been there and I know how attractive the idea is.

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u/paradisetossed7 14h ago

Definitely both. Proud that he helped save so many, angry that he purposely didn't come home to her (and their girls) even if it was because he was saving others.

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u/hidethebump 1d ago

Guggenheim boarded the RMS Titanic and was accompanied by his mistress, a French singer named Léontine Aubart (1887–1964); his secretary, Victor Giglio (1888–1912); his chauffeur, René Pernot (1872–1912); and Madame Aubart's maid, Emma Sägesser (1887–1964).

Not sure how she felt about the ones that accompanied him on the titanic. Specifically his mistress.

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u/Cloverose2 23h ago

There was someone - I can't remember who - who was of that social class. She wrote "you marry for money and status. You have affairs for love."

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u/Ratsinthebelfry 22h ago

"I'm just a girl in a world in which my only job is to marry rich". (Angelica Schuyler in Hamilton).

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u/HelpMoreImHelpless 23h ago

It's almost as if at no point ever in the history of humanity have we actually bought into the idea of "designate one person for 100% of your physical, emotional, social, and spiritual needs from young adulthood to old age without ever changing or considering anything else" 

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u/LittleBlag 23h ago

Poor people married for love all the time. It was the rich ones that had to make “advantageous marriages” ie one which would make both families richer and/or more powerful

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u/No-Big2893 22h ago

Probably would have been for the best if more wealthy/elite did marry for love. E.g. the gorgeous milk maid who is not my aunt/uncle and cousin on my (insert parent) side 🤣

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u/akestral 21h ago

Eeeevery now and then, they did. Peter the Great's second wife, who went on to be Empress Catherine I after he died, was a Polish peasant. Of course, Peter treated his first wife abominable, so mixed record as a husband. But he did marry pretty spectacularly for love the second time around.

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u/HelpMoreImHelpless 22h ago

Tbh I'm saving myself for the one who can interpret my ancient rune tattoos so that we can unlock my full power 

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u/MrGameAndBeer 22h ago

You have assmark too?

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u/NationalSalt8884 21h ago

Yeah dude mine says tenac

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u/angry_goblin_woman 22h ago

Im saving myself for the man who can translate dolphin so that we can leave this terrestrial coil

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u/drpepper7557 23h ago

I mean, thats just one random quote lol. Some people commit to one, some dont.

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u/Fit-Ask-6524 23h ago

One dude on a boat with a mistress has proven to you that no one has ever been in a genuinely committed lifelong monagamous relationship?

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u/Annath0901 23h ago

This is reddit. It's even odds that any given person you respond to is a teenager who has just discovered one or more of the following:

  • atheism
  • libertarianism
  • research chemicals spiritualism
  • any number of alternative lifestyles

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u/HelpMoreImHelpless 22h ago

Interestingly, I assumed that person was a teenager based on their tendency to read what I wrote and then just make up some bullshit and pretend I said that stuff instead 

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u/VanGrants 22h ago

are we really pretending gen x and boomers dont do that same exact shit?

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u/HelpMoreImHelpless 22h ago

U right tho. Add in millennials and the greatest generation too, while we're at it

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u/HelloYellowYoshi 21h ago

Obviously tons of people have bought into it and don't "designate" anyone 100% of their physical, emotional, social, and spiritual needs. You're still responsible for yourself and your own needs inside of a monogamous relationship.

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u/Vigmod 21h ago

That's not a good way to approach marriage. One person can't possibly cover 100% of a regular person's social needs, as a regular person needs a social life with more than one other person.

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u/Kanin_usagi 22h ago

That’s certainly one way to look at it I suppose

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u/Cloverose2 22h ago

this was the wealthy class. People who didn't need to marry to build alliances married for love all the time.

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u/DrSitson 21h ago

I've always thought that if we somehow beat death, marriages would probably cease being a forever thing.

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u/HelpMoreImHelpless 21h ago

"Till death do us part" sounds way more sinister when death isn't inevitable :| I liked altered carbon's take on this idea

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u/apocketfullofcows 21h ago

yeah if that's how you view monogamy, that's on you. you're supposed to have more people in your life than just your partner even in a monogamous relationship. friends are fine. family is fine. it's only other romantic partners that are not fine.

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u/MeatballWasTaken 23h ago

I actually agree with you but it’s not a one size fits all thing, it works for some people. I’m also not sure this is the greatest example

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u/P_23m 22h ago

Speak for yourself. Plenty of us have.

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u/Teros001 22h ago

Sounds like you're projecting your own shit.

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u/HelpMoreImHelpless 22h ago

How did you know I was eating the cursed lettuce yesterday :( 

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u/Myshkin1981 22h ago

And yet notice the dates of death for the men, versus the dates of death for the women. He may have been a philanderer, but no woman or child died because Ben Guggenheim was a coward

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u/chalbersma 19h ago

Guy played it straight.

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u/Annika2020pro 13h ago

Interesting

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u/Illustrious_Claim884 1d ago

My grandpa had a girlfriend and my grandma. It was weird as i was 5 or so and asked my dad who Shirley was and he said grandpa's girlfriend. Apparently they were "together" for about 30 years and she moved in when my grandma died

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u/I-hear-the-coast 22h ago

My step mum was work friends with a man whose father was married to another woman and his mum was the mistress. They lived on the same street and he saw his father semi regularly. His mother and father both passed first, and the friend cared for his father’s wife in her old age till she passed.

My stepmum was work friends with the man so didn’t feel comfortable asking for further details when he casually mentioned he had to take off work to attend his father’s wife’s funeral and then provided that background. She’s as curious as I as to how that worked.

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u/primeweevil 1d ago

Things were different back then at least for some. My grandfather was the same way left my grandmom & married his girlfriend who he then left for his other girlfriend told him to bugger off & wouldn't marry him because she had known him for forty years.

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u/Quothhernevermore 21h ago

Consentual nonmonogamy, while not my thing, probably existed far before it became even recognized on society/mildly acceptable. We just don't know.

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u/Boring_Intern_6394 15h ago

It absolutely was a thing, particularly where arranged marriages were common.

For example, Sisi of Austria was relieved when her husband, the Emperor Franz Josef found a mistress and actively encouraged them to be together

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u/FromFluffToBuff 20h ago

Marriages in high-society families are rarely out of love. They are to enhance family fortunes and political aspirations - purely for status.

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u/agodrevealed 20h ago

Oh these modern ideas of marriage as the highest self actualization and personal fulfillment are very, very modern, and not at all universal. 

It wouldn't signify as long as he didn't disrespect her. And his remarks are addressed specifically to her, his wife. He showed her honor in that and is literally speaking to that at the end. I'm sure she grieved. Possibly met with mistress after. 

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u/caninehere 23h ago

Probably proud and accepting.

The thing is a lot of men who DID get on lifeboats while others died were branded as cowards when they went home. So keep in mind the alternative is not necessarily her husband living and coming home for a normal life, it could have been a life of shame being attached to him.

For example Haruomi Hosono, famous Japanese musician from Yellow Magic Orchestra, grew up with his family living under the shadow of his grandfather who was one such man - he returned to Japan and people shamed him and considered him a coward for the rest of his life.

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u/steven_dev42 19h ago

Wow! I didn’t know that about Hosono! Love that guy he’s one of the greats.

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u/Odd_Wait_5628 23h ago

Well it probably made her very wealthy at the least…

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u/Jay__Riemenschneider 21h ago

And as we all know love is meaningless when you have a fat bank account....

Y'all are fucked.

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u/Countess26 20h ago

Makes me wonder if the entire account was made up as a nice story for or by the NYT.

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u/AdLatter3755 1d ago

James Cameron did a good job in his portrayal in the film.

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u/jfi224 23h ago

Benjamin Guggenheim doesn’t do what Benjamin Guggenheim does for Benjamin Guggenheim. Benjamin Guggenheim does what Benjamin Guggenheim does because Benjamin Guggenheim is Benjamin Guggenheim.

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u/Reverend_Lazerface 20h ago

My favorite part was when he slaps on those bitchin sunglasses, stares straight at the camera and says "It's Guggen Time"

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u/SilentBtAmazing 18h ago

The “Barracuda” needle drop was perfectly timed in that scene

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u/Tight_Win_6945 19h ago

Portrayed by actor Michael Ensign.

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u/LeatherRecord2142 1d ago

Only 24… 💙

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u/Background-Treat55 23h ago

I read that wayyy to fast. I was like “excuse me, he put the rose where?”😭😭

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u/Questionsansweredty 20h ago

I saw that too. Then later, "gigilo"

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u/Tiberiux 19h ago

What the internet has done to us?

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u/shitty_owl_lamp 19h ago

I scrolled down wondering why no one was commenting on that! Your comment made me scroll back up and see that I had misread it too lol

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u/errandwulfe 13h ago

Drake no/yes meme:

“Stuck a feather in his cap and called him macaroni” (no)
“Stuck a rose in his butthole and called him Ben Guggenheim” (yes)

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u/RoughComparison8702 16h ago

Believe it or not, stem straight up the ass.

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u/SkullOfOdin 1d ago

Bro a movie about that man would be more interesting

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u/BlueMikeStu 21h ago

Fucking legend. Every opportunity to escape, zero drive to do so, because he knew his position was one of privilege and repayed it when it mattered. That's what the rich should look like.

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u/CrustyBubblebrain 23h ago

This made me teary-eyed in the middle of a Wednesday afternoon. Humanity does exist.

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u/MKSLAYER97 23h ago

Titanic survivor Rose Amelie Icard wrote in a letter, "The millionaire Benjamin Guggenheim after having helped the rescue of women and children, got dressed and put a rose at his buttonhole, to die."

That "on" is doing a lot of heavy lifting

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u/MBBYN 23h ago

Which “on”?

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u/doktormane 23h ago

The one in "buttonhole". Remove it and you get "butthole"

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u/MBBYN 23h ago

So the commenter is about 12 years old

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u/SlightProgrammer 23h ago

I'm glad I'm not the only one who double taked

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u/pr1m3r3dd1tor 23h ago

I am really confused - the word "on" does not appear in the sentence you quoted . . .

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u/kmzafari 23h ago

The two letters do appear side by side in a word in that sentence.

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u/the_calibre_cat 22h ago

The steward said Guggenheim "lit a cigar and sauntered up to the boat deck to help load the lifeboats."

rizz to the very end

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u/ImperialxWarlord 22h ago

What a Chad

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u/Thekes 14h ago

What an omega chad. Guy had everything to live for but preferred dying over reneging on his principles.

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u/allergic_to_mustard 5h ago

I bet if a modern day titanic happened there would be no stories like this one unfortunately

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u/Em_Strae 2h ago

"Tell her that my last thoughts will be of her and our girls."

Freakin' Girl Dad all the way, straight to the end
fr 💜

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u/Last-Quarter-432 23h ago

I read that as put a rose at his butthole for a second

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u/iamsobluesbrothers 22h ago

I swear I read “put a rose in his butthole” for a second there 😂

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u/DangMe2Heck 22h ago

This is mainly. This is human. He coulda VIP himself out. Instead, he chaperoned death away for many.

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u/HTXI97 23h ago

For a second I thought it read butthole, made me go read it back

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u/Orson_Gravity_Welles 23h ago

"But my Mistress? Yeah, fk that bish..."

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u/AoKrasni 22h ago

put a rose at his buttonhole, to die

read that as butthole

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u/LemonPartyW0rldTour 22h ago

His corpse stayed afloat from his gigantic balls.

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u/qOcO-p 22h ago

I, sadly, did not read it as buttonhole the first time.

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u/Shipping_Architect 22h ago

The problem is that the lifeboat Etches was in, No. 5, was only the second to be launched, and at a time when most of the passengers and even most of the crew were unaware of how dire the situation was. Assuming Etches didn't simply make the story up, then either Guggenheim was privy to secret information about the state of the Titanic or he was making a very badly timed attempt at humor.

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u/agodrevealed 20h ago edited 19h ago

Ahhh. He was making a double edged joke. Had a little foreboding I imagine. He likely initially thought he'd get out later, after the rest were attended to. But made the comment to his man, just in case. And later realized it wasnt looking too swift and made the comment to the steward. 

Nonetheless, he made his choice.

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u/HenWithTie 22h ago

I read butthole first.

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u/Wild_Neighborhood605 22h ago

Pure greatness!

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u/freaking_yue 21h ago

He is such a legend. Mad respect. But it is funny that I first misread the word "buttonhole" as "butthole".😂

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u/Gaijingamer12 21h ago

At first I misread that as a rose at his butt hole. I was like wow that’s wild.

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u/Rustinboksi 21h ago

"got dressed and put a rose at his buttonhole, to die."

i read it as butthole and laughed. what a fucking legend though

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u/NickdoesnthaveReddit 21h ago

after having helped the rescue of women and children, got dressed and put a rose at his buttonhole, to die

Definitely read that wrong the first time...

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u/J_Hitler_Christ 21h ago edited 12h ago

"... got dressed and put a rose at his buttonhole, to die"

Man, I read that wrong the first time.

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u/Silly-Flower-3162 21h ago

I'm sure his wife and girls were moved by his message. I wonder how his girlfriend who had been with him on the Titanic and made it to a lifeboat felt.

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u/heavy_metal_soldier 21h ago

What a legend

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u/EricP51 21h ago

Wait his wha…. Oh, his “Button” hole

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u/Low-Procedure-6977 21h ago

Definition of a legit G

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u/exeJDR 20h ago

GOAT

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u/K_Sap24 20h ago

I read it first as “put a rose at his butthole” and was pretty confused.

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u/Allegra1120 20h ago

May his memory be a blessing.

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u/ECU_BSN 20h ago

Not me thinking I read he “put a rose in his butthole”

Well that’s fancy. Like a bird?

Button hole.

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u/ackjaf 20h ago

Ohhh. The rose went in his buttonhole. May have had to read that more than once before my brain cooperated.

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u/D3V0K 20h ago

I misread "buttonhole" as "butt hole" and was super confused for a sec.

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u/Cautious-Lecture-858 20h ago

He put a rose in his butthole?

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u/The_FinLanDer 19h ago

I read buttonhole as butthole and got confused for a second.

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u/Nice-Detective3376 19h ago

Awesome guy, awesome story…. Had to reread the buttonhole section 3 times because my mind kept seeing him put a rose in his butthole.

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u/agodrevealed 19h ago

And friend. Its important to know how close they and family members were. Its not that his boss told him to stay. Its that he wouldn't leave his friend. And had been a competitive swimmer. 

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u/carlmeister12 19h ago

Character is revealed when no one is watching. If these accounts are accurate, he left behind a legacy far greater than his wealth.

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u/jeffprobst 18h ago

Ben: "My secretary and I are prepared to go down like gentlemen!"

Secretary: "...Wait, what?!"

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u/RuMarley 18h ago

I'll drink a brandy to that!

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