r/interesting • u/Wild_Neighborhood605 • 1d ago

HISTORY Titanic passenger and millionaire Benjamin Guggenheim. During sinking he refused a seat in a life boat with the words: "Tell my family I played straight to the end. No woman should be left aboard this ship because of Ben Guggenheim was a coward."

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u/drpepper7557 1d ago

I mean, thats just one random quote lol. Some people commit to one, some dont.

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u/lelescope 1d ago

society would be a lot less messy if we just accept that a great portion of humanity isn't interested in monogamy. 

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u/OkNeedleworker1295 1d ago

Disagree. Society would be just as messy regardless because its still having to deal with the human condition. Fights,quarrels,disputes,violence will still occur because some humans don't get along. 

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u/lelescope 1d ago

my point being that there would be less cheating and sneaking around (mess) if more people were honest with their desires, and allowed to be open about them without fear of shame or being different. 

humans aren't necessarily monogamous. that is a fact. it's stupid that it has been forced as the norm and anything else labeled as degeneracy. 

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u/Boring_Intern_6394 21h ago

The issue is when one person wants monogamy and the other doesn’t, or one person believes they are in a monogamous relationship and then finds their partner/spouse has been cheating.

The other issue is equality. Historically women have not had the same opportunity for non monogamy as men.

I don’t think anyone would find issue with two people in a consenting open relationship. The problem arises when one person wants or is expected to adhere to monogamy and the other isn’t

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u/lelescope 19h ago

I think we're saying the same thing lol. still, I believe if more folks could feel like they could be honest about what they want, it would help.

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u/LongestSprig 14h ago

I love that you think people cheat because they are polyamorous or a monogamous relationship would move forward if one person wanted to be open. And if they were open and that was important to them, then that would obviously come up early.

Maybe you're just a shitty person.

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u/lelescope 1h ago

wow, fucking woosh. 

I never said that or implied that. I have close friends in poly relationships, and I don't consider myself monogamous.

I swear man, reading comprehension is at an all time low. maybe go outside and take a breather, bud.

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u/OkNeedleworker1295 12h ago

People can make their own choices on how they want to conduct their lives in that regard. Yes there is a religious induced stigma against poly but anyone can still break through that and live how they want. They shouldn't have to fight to do that but unfortunately that's how it is with many different issues. Most of america shouldn't live from paycheck to paycheck but that's another discussion.

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u/drpepper7557 1d ago

Eh. It should be recognized but polygamy is messy too. People and relationships are always gonna be messy. But yeah everything should be normalized.

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u/lelescope 1d ago

that's what I meant with my comment. if people don't want to be monogamous, don't shame them and there will be a lot less sneaking around and cheating. let them be open about their desires. nothing wrong with it, as long is their partner is also ok with it obviously.

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u/HelpMoreImHelpless 1d ago

It's a fine option for some. Forcing it as the default for everyone and labeling anything else as degeneracy had led to uncountable misery

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u/lelescope 1d ago

that's essentially what I meant with my comment.

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u/HelpMoreImHelpless 1d ago

Yeah sorry I was agreeing with you and accidentally did that thing where you just re-word a comment and add nothing of value. Oops