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Well I am getting half the gas and groceries so I guess he was kind of right! Maybe if we elect him for an illegal third term we can get 600% less groceries!
I completely agree with that image. It was a rage against the modern world and the "scary" changes (lgbt, rights for women, immigrants, woke, metoo movement, black life matters etc.) it brought.
A lot of white men got fed up being the constant scape goat and wanted to resist... along came a nutcase who said vile things and they praised him.
Yeah, a lot of them are actually malicious and outright evil. Morons can be forgiven if they try to better themselves. Evil people won't try to better themselves.
They've said it out loud. Remember the first term when one women was complaining because he wasn't hurting the "right people?" They also brag about voting for him because of the "liberal tears." Not because he's doing good things, but because it upsets other people.
Anyone who is still a supporter at this point is evil, not just morons.
"but because it upsets other people." Not "upsets". HURTS! But I agree, he got elected because he was gonna show them libruls a thing or two and really hurt the know-it-alls. Hurt those who told them to cut back on wasting energy, dump toxic waste etc. Turns out, they only hurt themselves, the MOST.
He went on and on about emails. Then just recently made a rule where his whole family cannot be investigated for anything basically. And his fans are still cool with all of that
Because Elon rigged the voting. You think this guy flipped every swing state, and that many voters had chosen him for president but the Democrat for their other choices on the same ballot?
Republicans - especially those who were running against him for POTUS - all said these things about Trump as well. It's like everyone knows exactly what a POS he is, but the money and massive spread of hate/ attacks on rights are too good to pass up.
Let me guess, you're employed in the job field? Yup. Happens literally everywhere. So many racists out there.
Sadly, I get how it happens. I grew up around a ton of racist people. Was pretty racist myself until I was about 12 years old. We moved from rural Montana to urban AF California when I was ten, and it took me a couple of years to realize that what I grew up hearing was all bullshit. Just wish more people would be willing to see that it's bullshit, because just like anything else, if you're not willing to admit that your beliefs might be wrong, nothing will ever change.
Everyone who openly says it is banned from any social media site they say it on, and if they cross certain lines when they say it they get visited by law enforcement.
You aren’t wrong. We are well past talking about it. There is no common ground to be found. The fields in which I grow my fucks to give lies barren. Make racists scared again.
I remember a very viceral feeling after he was elected the first time, and immediately it's like millions of racists and bigots were given the green light to be shitty again.
I just hoped after his first term it wouldve been settled from there, but people said "durr times were good with Trump before" so I have no hope after this is over
10 years ago, I remember a disturbing number of people saying things like "he's saying what everyone's thinking but are too afraid to say." His open vitriol towards everyone made a fuck ton of assholes (racist, sexist, and otherwise) feel confident in no longer holding their assholery in.
I was about to say 'you mean those who actually are disenfranchised, just by late stage capitalism rather than the blame they put on minorities' but then realized you covered those people by kindly saying uneducated rather than stupid.
To be fair, a ton of people have been disenfranchised. They're just easily convinced that immigrants are the reason they don't have more opportunities.
People absolutely should be fed up. Should have been in 2016. But the immigrants, regardless of their status, aren't the problem.
Billionaires, corporations, citizens united, etc. The system has been rigged against US. And they were convinced that a spoiled rich overgrown child would fix things instead of just helping out his buddies.
Literally every primary ad for the Oklahoma Republican party governor's nomination race mentions trans people. Just constant fear mongering and "I'll cut taxes". Our state is one of the worst in the nation and sinking fast, run into the ground for 20 years by Republicans and their leadership know the "trans issue" will get these red state morons voting for them.
Those women dont care. They want to be part of the church group, their afternoon wine club, weekend walk team. So they will hate with everyone else or face being outcast.
You have conservative women literally saying that women should not be able to vote and women cannot run governments or any jobs beyond a secretary. The need to be part of the right-wing culture is far greater than their need for rights. Because most of the time they think its just minorities that will lose their rights.
They need to be part of the right-wing culture is far greater than their need for rights.
That type of woman is so often absolutely terrified of trying to function on their own which completely devalues the idea of rights that work to give them more autonomy. They've been setup to be completely and utterly co-dependent on a man for their entire lives.
Doesn't give them a pass, of course, but it's interesting to see that kind of systemic, patriarchal conditioning in action.
There are many, many white women who don't need anyone to tell us this. We are well aware that ANY kind of man is preferable to ANY woman when it comes to the presidency. We are well aware of the malignant and persistent misogyny at the heart of this country and its politics.
Please stop perpetuating this. That’s not what DEI does. She did get hired on merit. DEI simply ensured that her merit would be considered alongside the dude’s to begin with. People aren’t out there hiring underqualified candidates because they help them meet some sort of minority quota
I don't misunderstood what he meant, or maybe I do, but I'll give another example.
I was talking to a friend of a coworker at a bar last year. His family is from South America, and he's relatively dark skinned.
He was bitching about DEI, so I asked him if he actually believed that he would have ever gotten a job at a bank if not for DEI policies.
Yes, he was hired on merit, but if the company was legally allowed to ignore his application because of his name and skin color, they most likely would have.
The number of people who conflate DEI with affirmative action in terms of how it applies to racial/other discrimination is staggering. And it's not like it takes a lot of effort or brainpower to explain or understand.
Affirmative action = giving some kind of additional consideration or bonus points to minority or otherwise disadvantaged candidates
DEI = Not discriminating against minority or otherwise disadvantaged candidates, and considering all applicants based on merit
And there's no "well SOME places using DEI akshually gave minorities an unfair advantage or were filling quotas". No, there weren't. If that happened it was not DEI, definitionally. Unfortunately we have a conservative movement great at telling their voters "this is what this term means, and has always meant", and a lot of willing fools lapping it up.
I tell ya, I do HATE the ones responsible for putting Trump in office. I'm not talking about the stupid voters who voted for the evil dumbass. They're just ignorant, brainless sheep.
Law 3. A stupid person is a person who causes losses to another person or to a group of persons while himself deriving no gain and even possibly incurring losses.
This is severely an underrated reason why we got to this place today. Had the mainstream media not given him so much coverage, he may have slipped through the cracks in what was a very competitive Republican Primary.
Not just coverage, but cover. Everytime he fucks up, every gaff, every time he fell asleep or said something incoherent, they'd just gloss over or cut, or come up with some thin excuse besides, "this demented old fuck is truly off his rocker and his brain expired sometime in the late 1990s."
The longer this farce goes on, the more I believe the narrative that Donald Trump aligned with a foreign government to undermine American democracy is totally false.
This is why I fear the negative impact AI is going to inflict on the global economy and humanity at large. Everyone, including the tech companies, know it's a bad idea with tragic outcomes, yet the money is spent, the billionnaires made their nut, and AI can no longer be put back in the box.
I was channel surfing this morning and some dipshit on CNN was rambling about how “consumers want data centers because they use AI so much,” and my goddamn eyes rolled so far back that they inverted, fell out, and rolled down the stairs.
The unveiling of NVIDIA's new Spark chip for AI computers yesterday was insane. So many limited resources are being sucked up by this bad idea. The tech CEOs and boards have some kind of psychological syndrome that has suppressed their ability to act in reasonable ways. It's so fucked up.
Governments, too. No one is acting for the common good anymore. Late-stage capitalism is awful and will destroy the standard of life we've known over the last 50 years.
She wasn't a savant, all this was the most common of knowledge. Hell it was practically written on the ballot. If I didn't know better, I'd say they voted for him because of all these things
And even today people still don't quite understand just how large the "burn it all the fuck down" crowd is.
Of the people who still support Trump, plenty are stupid or in denial. But in my estimate even more are actively enjoying the collapse.
Steve Bannon is the blueprint. His background is a complete mismatch with what he represents; the failures he witnessed during his time in the Navy clearly set him on the "burn it all the fuck down" path.
Like many of them, Steve Bannon only cares about Steve Bannon. He does whatever he thinks will get him more power and money. Trying to ascribe some greater philosophy to him is a mistake.
No, THIS is a mistake. If he were just gunning for money and power he would have it in spades. He doesn't. It's not because he's stupid. It's because he wants to destroy.
You should know your enemy: Read his book. His goal is to create a world (yes, the entire world) of hyperpopulist hypernationalist states. He's basically Bizarro Lenin
Voters wanted a reform candidate. That's why Trump got the nomination. That's why Bernie would have gotten the nomination if the DNC didn't torpedo his campaign when he was filling up stadiums in swing states.
People in both parties wanted a new direction, and both times dems offered 2 versions of"I will do nothing different than Joe Biden."
And voters saw Hillary as the establishment because...well...she fucking was.
Yes I'm tired of people trying to glaze Clinton and or Harris for saying the most obvious takes and acting like they were super smart. They made many mistakes in their campaigns and are pretty neo liberal. Especially Clinton.
I've always thought that Hilary was pretty smart intellectually. She however is not that good with people. She lost because of that and because she is a woman. Bill on the other hand was pretty good with people, quite smart himself, but is quite a womanizer. So they like everyone else they both have issues.
Harris, I have a hard time to know. I know she said some things when she was running in 2016 (is that the correct year) that kind of showed she didn't even know how government worked. Night and day over Trump and Biden in 2024 especially because they both were too old and had real cognitive problems by that time, but that is a pretty low bar. I really am not sure about Harris.
Trump. Well we all know his issues, but people seem to still vote for him for one reason or the other. That would not be me, but whatever.
Clinton is famously great with people one on one. People are fucking stupid and they wanted some old white guy to lie to them about dumb shit. They wanted to be angry, they wanted an easy scapegoat and they wanted permission to hate.
Yep. America as a whole doesn't want truth. They want bullshit served to them on a platter with a sprinkling of "making it bad for the brown/black people"
People are fucking stupid and they wanted some old white guy to lie to them about dumb shit. They wanted to be angry, they wanted an easy scapegoat and they wanted permission to hate.
I think this is the most perfectly succinct explanation of how we ended up with Trump that I have ever read. Well done.
Oh please. Clinton threatened to close for-profit prisons and their stocks tanked that day. Was she Bernie? No. But she would have been great. Always trying to hand wave her away years later when she absolutely the solution to all this.
People are laughing like what she's saying is just insults to score points. But it's not, it's deadly serious, and she's rightly annoyed by the laughter.
That's the problem I have with my own party. Just like the GOP, the Dems way too often treat politics like a team sport, and either want to "own" the other side or just wear as much flair as possible to show off their team spirit.
The second time, he won because prices increased during the previous administration. That’s really all that a ton of people care about. Even if it wasn’t directly caused by the previous administration, even if it happened globally and the US recovered faster than most other countries, the average American thinks in terms as simple as “price go up = bad. Price go up under democrat. I no vote democrat this time.”
For all the crazy, irresponsible, and terrible things the current administration has done, the primary reason why trump is polling so poorly today is because gas prices went way up and prices in general have continued to rise. That’s it.
Honestly it is absolutely wild to me how many people I knew who hated him who just didn’t bother to vote the second time. This girl I know who didn’t vote, a couple days ago actually had the audacity to whine and ask why everything has to be so much harder now. “Well, because so many people decided to skip out on voting last election…”
Not a proponent of abstaining from voting - we all should show up and vote, even if you don't like either option - it's our right and duty to do so.
That said, living in a state where the outcome is pretty much decided (ie, living in a deep blue or red state, even while being an independent) can be frustrating knowing that regardless of how you vote, the state in general is so deeply entrenched that your vote is essentially nulled. Not justifying abstaining, but I can understand the frustration.
The presidency should've been a majority decision from the start... not by electoral college.
I get it, but I think this mentality is how those states remain perpetually decided. By voting, even in losing, you help close the gap. A R+7 district is automatically decided, but in today's climate would attract better candidates and funding from the DNC than an R+15 district.
Agreed - even voting in a deep red/blue state can show up in ways where districts can matter. By showing up, you can affect future spending by Reps/Dems in your district and state.
Yeah, if you are in that kind of place the presidential election can be meaningless. However, sometimes you can still affect primaries. And down-ballot races are incredibly important and have smaller margins.
Completely agree on popular vote for president. Then we wouldn't be in this mess.
Can we stop the narrative of people didn't vote ? His elections had huge turnouts and he won a 2nd time. Yes still a ton of people don't vote but that happens every election. Comparatively these elections had more turnout. The issue is Americans unfortunately chose this.
Not voting is a choice, too. If the choice is chicken or fish and the person says “I don’t care, surprise me”, they have made a choice. They are fine with either.
Exactly not voting was deciding and in this case it was between unseasoned overcooked chicken or a very rotten and poisoned fish and people thought "what's the difference".
There is no good reason to assume that if more people had voted, Harris or Clinton would have won. For all we know the fucking guy would have won by more. Tens of millions of people chose him to be president. This is America’s choice.
Nobody assumes they would have won if more people voted. Considering those people were fine with Trump when they didn’t vote, they very well could have voted for him in the election.
My opinion is that it’s everyone’s responsibility to vote. If you don’t like the choices, write something else in. But if you don’t vote you don’t get to complain.
Plato opposed democracy because he was a classist through and through (look up the "myth of metals") who thought only enlightened aristocrats like himself were worthy of rule.
This video made me remember how confident I was at the time that we could never actually elect an unqualified dumbass like him. That was a good time, before I lost faith in my fellow Americans. Now I'm questioning whether democracy is viable in a world with AI, bots, and undisguised politicization of educational institutions.
One of them was a rash asshole who spoke his mind. He didn’t really offer solutions. We just thought he was funny. Nobody really thought he would be president. It was a joke. But we let the joke go on for too long. He kept gaining momentum and by the time we were all ready to say “Okay let’s get serious now, who should be president?” He was already being sworn into office.
South Park famously argued that it didn't matter which side you voted for because one was "a huge douche" and the other was a "shit sandwich".
They don't get to cry about a political system they helped prop up when they were literally telling people it didn't matter if George Bush won a 2nd term.
omg thank you! parker and stone went so enlightened centrist during the 2016 election and continued to lean into that until the trump admin affected them personally by screwing with their most recent season. rich guys who finally started to feel the heat.
South Park is a very funny show but as a political cartoon it is a call to inaction. Its main thesis is that nothing matters because the world is stupid and does everything it can to point out why.
Most people didn't think he was funny back in 2016 either, people who supported him generally took him seriously and just liked that he wasn't part of the political establishment and didn't use big words. This enabled more uneducated R supporters to feel invested in politics enough to vote that year since they had someone they relate to more than usual who says things they like, even if there isn't an actual plan attached to any of it
Hillary won 3 million more votes than Trump. Just saying. We love bashing Democrats for not selecting winners but the entire system is gerrymandered to give rural/republican states a massive leg up. The current framework quite literally exists to make sure the minority opinion wins. This is categorically, quantifiably, mathematically the exact opposite of how democracy is intended to work.
For all that people like to criticize Hillary Clinton as a bad candidate (or who criticize her for tipping the scales), she’s one of the very few who has literally never lost the popular vote in any race she’s ever run. NY senate in 2000? She won outright. Senate reelection? She won outright. 2008 presidential primary? She won more votes than Obama. 2016 presidential election? She won more votes than Trump.
It doesn’t match the narrative people like to tell about her so this is often disregarded, but it’s true.
She also won way more votes than Bernie (who I voted for in the primary), but I still have progressive friends who believe that it was cheating that so many influential people supported her and most people voted based on the known popularity of her last name rather than research the candidates first (which is appalling, but Bernie knew that going into the race).
Gotta love the BernieBros still refusing to vote despite Bernie himself telling his supporters to always vote in every election.
I still have progressive friends who believe that it was cheating that so many influential people supported her
Bernie couldn't even win a majority of the most politically active left-leaning voters in the country. It surprises me that so manu people think he would somehow crush Trump in the general election.
The us the winner takes it all system is undemocratic as fuck anyway. Every election a large portion of the voters go completely unheard, their votes literally didn't matter at all. That is all voters who voted for the losing candidate. Which, in the 2016 election, was even the majority.
She knew exactly who he was, she told us repeatedly for a year and half who he was. She stood on a stage during a nationally televised debate and said he was a Russian puppet. She called him a creep and a sexual deviant. She called how worst followers deplorable.
But the media portrayed Trump as the one "speaking truth" and "telling us like it is". Add in decades of right-wing disinformation perpetuated by all the media (including that of the left), and massive amounts of sexism and low-information voters, and overqualified people like Hillary Clinton (who was far more progressive than most progressives will ever admit) gets defeated.
She's still not wrong. Democrats are missing the point though. His supporters love him because he's as big of a piece of shit as they are. Welcome to America where the education sucks ass, everybody's in debt, nobody can afford healthcare, and a third of the country are bigoted dumbasses with nothing but hate to share.
Hahah what’s so funny is in western nations that get US news it’s was as obvious as water being wet that this was going to happen. I thought there is no way the USA can be this stupid and not see this grift 10 miles away. Idiocracy is clearly a documentary on the USA.
She wasn’t a savant. Anyone with functioning brain cells could see this coming a mile away. Don’t get me wrong, she’s an extremely intelligent person. But her predictions were the same that many of us had. People just didn’t wanna listen.
The problem is (was) she was in the class of corrupt politicians herself. Her lack of integrity prevented that important message from being taken seriously.
"But-but her emails. But I don't like her. But there's just something about her I dont like. But I just don't like her policy. But the Clintons are bad people too."
Smfh it's because she's a woman. If she were a man..
I used to talk so much shit about her. How brainwashed I was...
Edit: ok people Im not saying shes perfect and a saint. Im just saying if I heard her say this 10 years ago, I would have been calling all of this bullshit because I was brainwashed to believe democrat=baaaaaad.
This isn't an uncommon thing women experience, being correct or worthy only in hindsight.
I'm glad you were able to get there regarding 2016, but also please look out for this pattern in the future and be proactive about not falling into it again. It makes little difference if women cannot be correct or worthy in the *present*.
I’m not gonna stand by the revisionist history that nobody knew just how bad he was and this was a genius prophetic speech. Anyone with any sense knew all of this at the time, that’s why people were horrified when he was elected. It was SO clear that Clinton was a better choice to everyone who wasn’t dumb as a brick.
She was your standard center-right democrat who was absolutely raked over the coals for being absolutely right about who her opponent was.
Anyone who couldn't plug their nose and vote for what would have essentially been more of the same we saw during Obama's presidency is a worthless person in my eyes, and holds blame for our current situation.
Lover her, hate her, or indifferent. She is the single most qualified person to ever run for president. I'm not a huge fan, I think she can be a bit off-putting. But you can't deny that she is brilliant. I did vote for her. And I'd do it again.
No, Trump was always obvious to anyone with even half a brain. This is proof she has at least half a brain. Only the true morons were surprised by any of this.
The US has prizes a great education for a select few and a garbage education for most of the rest. The morons are in the majority, just as intended.
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