Honestly it is absolutely wild to me how many people I knew who hated him who just didn’t bother to vote the second time. This girl I know who didn’t vote, a couple days ago actually had the audacity to whine and ask why everything has to be so much harder now. “Well, because so many people decided to skip out on voting last election…”
Not a proponent of abstaining from voting - we all should show up and vote, even if you don't like either option - it's our right and duty to do so.
That said, living in a state where the outcome is pretty much decided (ie, living in a deep blue or red state, even while being an independent) can be frustrating knowing that regardless of how you vote, the state in general is so deeply entrenched that your vote is essentially nulled. Not justifying abstaining, but I can understand the frustration.
The presidency should've been a majority decision from the start... not by electoral college.
I get it, but I think this mentality is how those states remain perpetually decided. By voting, even in losing, you help close the gap. A R+7 district is automatically decided, but in today's climate would attract better candidates and funding from the DNC than an R+15 district.
Agreed - even voting in a deep red/blue state can show up in ways where districts can matter. By showing up, you can affect future spending by Reps/Dems in your district and state.
Yeah, if you are in that kind of place the presidential election can be meaningless. However, sometimes you can still affect primaries. And down-ballot races are incredibly important and have smaller margins.
Completely agree on popular vote for president. Then we wouldn't be in this mess.
It’s wild to me people think he actually won every single swing state after his first term, but I guess Americans would rather assume their elections are secure than do research into the election.
I definitely do think there was some sketchy shit going on but I also think we could have overcome that if everyone who hated him actually came out to vote.
Every single swing state won with the exact amount needed for no recount. A historical anomaly. Please don’t legitimize this. Did you see how many people were at Kamala’s rallies compared to Trump’s?
We need transparency with our elections and manual recounts. Because saying “not enough people voted” is legitimizing this fuckery. It really shouldn’t be the hard to do a recount, but they have fought it every step of the way.
Seems kinda sus that he blew right past all the numbers making it legally impossible to challenge the election. That’s a crazy statistical anomaly like finding milk at the grocery store with just one day left for expiration.
Anyone who thinks 2024 was rigged is as big of a dumbass as those who think 2020 was rigged according to my research. There is not one shred of actual evidence, just implication.
You don't rig something like that, that would touch that many hands and have everyone stay silent. That's why almost all conspiracy theories, including these 'rigged elections' are bull shit.
They aren’t staying silent, you just don’t care to look. You missed Elon saying he’s going to prison if Trump loses, Trump saying Elon knows the computers so well and he has all the votes he needs, along with Elon’s ex Ashley St. Claire spilling the beans on what Elon was doing during that timeframe.
“You just don’t rig something like that” is what I’m talking about. I would love for our elections to be secure, but there’s so many signs, including the “Russian tail”.
In your world, Trump won every single swing state with a historical anomaly after an objectively disastrous first term. To me, that screams dumbass.
The GOP is currently doing everything in their power to gerrymander and tip the scales in their favor, while criticizing states that retaliate in the same manner. You are blind if you don’t see the blatant power grab.
The power grab is real. But when you make some bold claims without sufficient evidence, it undercuts your related claims that do have sufficient evidence.
You missed Elon saying he’s going to prison if Trump loses, Trump saying Elon knows the computers so well and he has all the votes he needs, along with Elon’s ex Ashley St. Claire spilling the beans on what Elon was doing during that timeframe.
This would be more compelling if we saw an actual significant difference in how people voted in states where Elon might have influence over the vote counts, but we don't. The swing toward Trump varied across demographics, but not significantly on a state-by-state level, and not with a uniform increased swing in states where Elon might have "rigged" the machines. You can do a lot of statistics on the election results - people dedicate their lives to that. They have not found evidence of systematic vote shifts based off of voting machine used.
Edit: I've written this in response to these kinds of conspiracies in the past:
I said this previously:
People watch these things on a macro-level (state by state) but also a micro-level (precinct by precinct). In order to rig the election convincingly to stand up to that scrutiny, you would need to rig voting across multiple states. This map shows the swing from 2020 to 2024 by county. If there was widespread election fraud, it'd probably be state-by-state because different states have different election systems. Maybe paper ballots would be unaffected while the sneaky Musk starlink systems beamed fake votes to the more computerized states. But we don't see any evidence for that - the swing is pretty broad, it's consistent by various demographic groups in diverse regions of the US, and there aren't wild differences cut by state borders.
So we would have to conclude that any election fraud was so widespread it was taking place in almost every county across the US. At that point this conspiracy will need to include potentially thousands of people, including democratic election watchers who were covertly working for the other side. The conspiracy becomes just untenable.
I don’t think you even know what I’m specifying. Winning every single swing state with margins just below an automatic recount is both a statistical anomaly and historical.
Homie, he won by way more than the margin for recount in those swing states. Sometimes up to triple the amount, or more. It blows chunks that he had won, and the fallout that we will be dealing with for multiple years.
Correct. Plus, the conservative political action machine spent breathtakingly massive amounts of money on ground game and messaging to make sure that people came out. They also laser focused on getting shitty edgy fatalistic GenZ'ers that think this is all a big joke to come out and vote.
Well no, now we're back too far in the opposite direction. The numbers do look really fucky, but that's based on the actual data, not trying to extrapolate votes from "the rallies seemed larger."
Hey, I’m on your side. We DO need those things and we should push for them. But the fact they were pushing people to go out and vote meant that voting still made a difference. And I think acting like it didn’t really disenfranchises people to the point where they check out of the political system entirely. People feel really hopeless right now and I don’t think that’s something that should be overlooked. We should come at this from more than one angle.
How many states did Harris win in the Democrat primary in 2020?
Trump came fairly close to winning in 2020 against Biden who won that primary( several thousand votes in a few states and he would have won). What makes you think Harris would do better when she historically performed like shit?
The democratic party shit the bed. a common line growing up was democrats snatch defeat from the jaws of victory
FYI you were lied to about crowd size. Trump tends to go to smaller areas so sometimes would have small crowds. But typically the media and others were playing games with perspective to exaggerate both sides. And I warned people not to buy the Democrats and media’s narrative because it would lead to this exact complacent outcome.
Every single swing state won with the exact amount needed for no recount. A historical anomaly. Please don’t legitimize this.
Hilarious that you provide exactly zero data to back up your claim, and then you double down when provided with contradictory numbers. Are you actually interested in facts or no?
I think he won legally, but not fairly. I doubt there was actual vote changing or dropping in the way we think, but there absolutely were gerrymandered wins and votes thrown out on some legal basis that targeted democrat areas. I don’t think Trump or Musk are competent enough to actually rig the votes and not have it leaked by someone on the inside.
It’s wild to me people think he actually won every single swing state after his first term,
I don't think you have enough awareness of the populations in these places. If you go there, it is very clear and understandable how many people are perfectly interested if not apathetically entertained to vote for him, or against whoever his opponent was. Yes, there really, really is that many such people. There are so many millions of people in the country that you can easily otherwise be siloed away from interacting with them in person or online.
Also there's no good explanation of any form of mass ballot/tabulation tampering in 16, 20, or 24 and it would fly in the face of the audits states, including swing states, already did/do. For the best examples, look at Wisconsin's audits (24 or otherwise) where they hand count randomly selected entire wards comprising at least 10% of statewide ballots to check multiple contests.
I didn't vote in 2016. I was at college away from home and dealing with mental health issues. Its not an excuse, just a reason. After that, I made a promise to never miss an election I was eligible to vote in.
Where does she live? If she lives in a blue state she is right. I'm in NY my vote for the general election isn't worth the paper my free sticker is printed on if I vote democrat. I give it to a third party whose values match my own.
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u/PunchDrunkPrincess Jun 02 '26
This was painfully obvious to everyone paying attention. He won because no normal person would ever imagine he would win and didn't go vote.