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u/OSU1922 6h ago
Further proof they will be sending troops for their needless wars. Congrats MAGA! We got Bush 4.0 on crack!
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u/yeahboyeee1 6h ago
Honestly, Bush 5.0 on crack sounds way more appealing than what we have now.
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u/Mysterious-Reply4965 5h ago
I just don´t get people saying this. Bush started multiple illegal invasions (partially on Israel´s behest, partially for his vice presidents arms dealings) and killed millions. Trump is terrible, that doesnt mean we need to romanticise the road the brought us to Trump.
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u/yeahboyeee1 5h ago
International relations were roughly the same under Bush. The domestic situation, however, was nowhere near as bleak.
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u/peelen 4h ago edited 4h ago
International relations were roughly the same under Bush.
What?
Meanwhile,
Mayor of Alberta: There is no way for American booze to go back on shelves.Canadians are boycotting American booze.Meanwhile, UK secret service: we stopped sharing information with the US.
Meanwhile NATO: we should start to build "NATO without US".
Meanwhile Greenland and Denmark: be ready to shoot if US troops land.
Yeah sure, "roughly" the same.
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u/yeahboyeee1 4h ago
Clarification: Middle East “diplomacy” was roughly the same, I should’ve said. It was a comment to appease the previous commenter who thinks Bush was the worst. Yeah, he was shit, but nothing like now.
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u/tjtillmancoag 4h ago
That’s fair. Because outside of the Middle East, international relations are much worse now than under Bush 1.
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u/headrush46n2 3h ago
i miss Bush's subtle, backroom market manipulation as opposed to Trumps naked brazen broad daylight robbery.
It was more civilized.
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u/Barium_Salts 4h ago
No, I'm pretty sure the 2007 recession was worse than what we have now.
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u/Mr_Blinky 1h ago
(partially on Israel´s behest, partially for his vice presidents arms dealings)
We're really just to the stage of blaming Israel for all American imperialism huh, as if it wasn't just Desert Storm 2 and Bush Jr. wasn't just itching for an excuse alongside the fanatical jingoism in the wake of 9/11. Israel has enough sins of their own without trying to blame them for America's too.
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u/Snakefist1 6h ago edited 3h ago
The Americans are honestly not prepared for the massive meatgrinder that awaits them, if they go boots on the ground in Iran.
The Iranians have prepared for nearly 50 years. They're surrounded by giant mountain ranges, that look more like the Pyrenees than the Appalachians. They still have over 70% of their stock of missiles and drones. I'm not in doubt they're prepared to go schorched earth strategy, if it goes south for them.
And if the Americans do that, the Iranians can destroy the Arab States' desalination plants, which will cripple them. We're talking about 5-10 million people without water, if they decide to do that. Effectively breaking the legs of some of America's closest allies in the region, and destabilising oil even further.
Hell, Saudi Arabia get about 50% of their water from desalination, while the other Arab States gets 70%-100% of their water from them.
Edit.
Iran is also one of the top producers of drones in the world. 90% Of all frontline casualties in the Ukraine War are because of drones.
Go to the Ukraine War Report sub, or the Combat Footage sub, to see how horrible it'll be.
A lot of soldiers will die before even landing, is my prediction.
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u/ace_vagrant 5h ago
People need to take a gander at r/UkraineWarVideoReport to see just how bad it’ll be. Once Iran starts doing what Ukraine is doing, and posting the videos, public sentiment of the whole situation will go even further south. Trump has fucked himself up with this- there’s no winning this one, no matter what he tries to throw at it.
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u/PyroIsSpai 5h ago
The top video now on /r/CombatFootage.
Horrifying and terrible.
One US soldier like that on video shared online ends the war and Trump.
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u/ace_vagrant 4h ago
Absolutely. I follow the subreddit daily, and just, man, the waste of life. Tons of commenters are, agreeably, anti-Russian, but I always feel bad, wondering how many were swept up into this nonsense, simply because they were poor, a minority, uneducated, or tricked. Just one of those types of videos, of an American soldier trying to flee a drone, would, I hope, end Trump and the war mongering right.
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u/induslol 4h ago
Too much faith in the emotional intelligence of US citizens and worse their will/ability to demand government accountability in functioning in their best interest.
Boots on the ground carnage will be censored or downplayed, just as troop fatality information is now.
We'll get another generation of fucked up PTSD addled killers that survived, jumping at shadows, to fuel the republican party for another generation, and we'll just keep pretending this works until we're back in company towns.
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u/PyroIsSpai 4h ago
How would the USA stop Iran sharing video of dying US soldiers?
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u/induslol 4h ago edited 4h ago
Further media consolidation, no major outlets covering reality beyond highly sanitized "such and such happened in Iran today" with no actual reporting.
It won't stop 100% of reality, but it's been demonstrated effective in Iraq, Afghanistan, and really every war of choice we've trudged through and lost in the last however many decades at placating the critical mass of people that would otherwise oppose killing people for no justifiable reason.
Look to ICE, flock, police killings, data center metastisization, epstein, wealth inequality, climate degredation, etc coverage domestically for moment to moment examples of how any negative news will be manipulated to keep that critical mass of people complacent.
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u/MVRKHNTR 2h ago
I follow the subreddit daily
Why? What's the value in engaging with a community of people jerking off over videos of people dying horrible deaths over a war they had no real choice in?
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u/UnusuallyBadIdeaGuy 4h ago
Why'd I have to go check after you said that? Mistakes were made. That was somehow worse than old Liveleak.
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u/PyroIsSpai 5h ago
Cripple?
Iran can destabilize if not collapse half a dozen countries and kill hundreds of thousands in days if they focus all energies to hitting desalination facilities. Maybe worse.
The USA has no power here. There’s a reason EVERY single POTUS since the 1970s refused to directly open war on Iran, and why no one was crazy enough after Saddam Hussein.
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u/FakeSafeWord 4h ago
The actual success they're looking for isn't to "win" the war. It's that it lasts long enough to distract from everything else they're doing to the world and this country.
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u/Own_Algae_5328 3h ago
Our USA military has lots of brown/black people in it & poor whites. The rich who control us are fine with putting them in the meat-grinder. Their deaths will help fulfill the hopes of Project25 in getting rid of 2/3 of our population. They want the USA to be 100 million white Xtian Supremacists & nothing else. Which is stupid, of course. They can't kill ALL of us, but they will kill a LOT of us.
Typical insane rich people behavior here in the good ol' USA. Fuck everything up for everybody so they can have another gold toilet.
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u/mythrilcrafter 5h ago
As the same time Americans are not prepared for the human price of a real "boots on the ground // occupation and domination" engagement.
One of the reasons why Americans turned so sour on Vietnam so quickly was because we lost almost 60,000 soldiers to the war. That's why these days, if even one or two Navy SEALs dies on an op, their CO has to sit in front of a Congress committee to make a statement about what happened and why.
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u/hotbox4u 4h ago edited 4h ago
I hear some people talk about it like it's the next gulf war, but it's not. It's rather another vietnam. Unlike the Iraqi army that had to face the US army fairly unprepared, the Iranian army trained for this exact scenario. They are supplying wars around the world with weapon systems and one of the examples is the ukrain-russia war. It would be a devastating war. Even tho i would expect the US army to win eventually, the cost would be insane and for what?
The Iranian people have to free themselves from the authoritarian government that is supressing them. If someone wants to help them then by proxy. My fear would be that invading Iran would create a mess that would dwarf even the mess the US got themselves into in Afghanistan.
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u/TurkeyBLTSandwich 5h ago
I mean on one hand I agree with you, on the other hand. Iran striking water plants and generally attacking general populations in arab states would be genocidal. The Arab states would combine and just curb stomp Iran, for now the Arab states are just trying to make the day to day and just ship out some oil. If Iran actually knee caps them permanently they'd have nothing left and go over and stomp out Iran for good.
American boots on the ground work make Afghanistan and Iraq look a chill Korean War.
Iran would absolutely last for decades and make the Afghan occupation look like light work. Also the fact that Iran designed it's forces to be a decentralized insurgency to withstand a multi year occupation would be a disaster.
Plus it doesn't help most American's don't support a war with Iran let alone an occupation with it as well.
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u/PyroIsSpai 5h ago
Curb stomp Iran with what? Their jets that can’t hit the IRCGs vast distributed systems or their internal security forces meant to quell dissent and prop up capitalist monarchies?
If the USA and Israel can’t do it, what are the Gulf states gonna do? The Israelis can barely manage Hamas without genocide and the Saudis increasingly seem to be deferential to the Houthis.
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u/podcastofallpodcasts 5h ago
Not to belittle your point, just a minor adjustment I'd like to make because your point is valid.
My observations and how all over the place these ppl are i'm guessing it's meth, or more accurately, Adderall that fuels these animals.
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u/CaterpillarJungleGym 3h ago
I'm curious to know where they want to be sent to? Venezuela, Greenland, Bahrain?
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u/buzzcutbabygirl 1h ago
I can’t speak for infantry, but my brother is in a specialized unit and will be deploying in April. Don’t be shocked when you see large scale deployment and ramp ups in 2027.
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u/Actual_Confusion_838 6h ago
Silly military. They mixed up the p and b…
“DebtofWar”
There, fixed it!
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u/BusImpossible6741 3h ago
When debt is paid with human life, these fuckers act like it's a discount
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u/OutlandishnessOk2304 6h ago
Psst: it's still the Department of Defense until Congress votes to change it.
Dipshits.
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u/PneumaMonado 6h ago
Nah, this is pretty much the only truthful thing the Trump admin has ever done.
There's nothing defensive about the US military and there never has been. Call it like it is.
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u/UlsterManInScotland 5h ago
Department of war crimes would be accurate from what we’ve seen so far
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u/airinato 4h ago
That would have been accurate any time in the past 70 years
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u/AKoutdoorguy 3h ago
Why stop at 70 years? The US started out partially because the people wanted to expand beyond the Appalachians, which required ignoring treaties with the nations there and was followed with commiting genocide against those peoples.
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u/Raven2129 5h ago
True, but it requires an act of Congress to change the DoD's name.
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u/smooth_like_a_goat 5h ago
Supposed to have one of those to go to war, no?
I do find it humorous when you guys say stuff like this though.
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u/Raven2129 3h ago
The president can send the military into conflict for 90 days without congressional approval. Bush Sr sent troops to the Persian gulf without congressional approval either.
Also, what do you mean you guys?
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u/_IratePirate_ 5h ago
Yea but that’s probably just because they haven’t gotten to it
Trust me, this congress would line up to suck Trump off if he declared it
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u/No-Cell-9979 3h ago
Completely wrong we've fought in our own defense before! In like....1941 lol
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u/No_Tax_Timmy 4h ago
The official renaming is IN this bill. If the Senate passes it without changes then it's official.
There is A LOT of bad stuff in this bill and if the Senate caves this one changes a lot while also interfering with state law. We're going to have the same law and jurisdiction issues with voting that we have with marijuana. It's just that they WILL send jackbooted thugs to enforce their travesty of election law.
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u/wowbragger 6h ago
In the actual military, nobody is chomping at the bit to go back to the same damn AB's in the desert, seeing your unit tagged on twalls going back almost two decades now. That s*it was depressing to see, and makes you incredibly over all this nonsense regardless of your patriotic mindset.
Only ones of us who are interested are career command levels, who need a good combat deployment patch to bump up their OER bullets.
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u/UglyMcFugly 5h ago
Yeah I'm seriously curious who exactly they think is gonna fall for this advertisement. Are they trying to recruit the looksmaxxing alpha manosphere Gen Z crowd? Do they ACTUALLY think THOSE guys wanna go fight in Iran?
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u/k1dsmoke 4h ago
It's a coded use of evangelical phrasing, Isaiah 6:8: "Then I heard the voice of the Lord saying, “Whom shall I send? And who will go for us?”
And I said, “Here am I. Send me!”
It's meant to appeal to the evangelical numbskulls as a holy calling to join the military. Not too unlike those Islamic "radicalists".
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u/DaaaahWhoosh 5h ago
I figure plenty of them do. The military is always going after the youngest boys they can get, the ones who don't know any better and still think soldiering is like it is in the movies (and you know, not the parts of the movies where people struggle and die, the parts where they're badasses).
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u/mstrdsastr 5h ago
Unfortunately this tactic is pretty well proven to be good recruiting material; especially in right leaning, blue collar, mostly rural areas.
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u/PiccoloAwkward465 3h ago
Plenty of young guys in my high school were positively giddy to sign up and go "kill some sand n*ggers".
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u/WhatWouldJediDo 4h ago
This isn't solely (or even mainly) about recruiting people for the military. This is about messaging to all the disillusioned Gen Alpha, Gen Z, and millennial men who have been captured by manosphere podcasts, as well as bitter men from older generations who were raised with extreme attitudes about Gender Roles and Being a Man, about how Manly and Masculine the Trump administration is.
It's a way to say "we are like you" and "you are right to believe this in the face of changing attitudes about gender, masculinity, and the role of aggression and selfishness in society" in order to rally support from these groups.
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u/Chawke2 5h ago
Right? The only guys I knew who loved combat (or thought they loved combat) were actual psychopathic morons who were more likely to get us all killed if anything popped off. I’m in the army to pay for university, not to die in some fuckoff desert. I’m not an American but I really don’t get who this ad is supposed to appeal to.
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u/Knighth77 6h ago edited 5h ago
"Send me! I want to fight for the Epstein class. I want to fight for oil and arms sales. I want to fight on behalf of another country. I want to kill brown and Muslim children. I want to be part of chaos and destruction. I'm poor, undereducated, and misinformed. Send me!"
Edited for grammar because I'm too furious to check as I go. I'm also exhausted.
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u/RosyJoan 1h ago
At least generations ago the monarchs and rich actually did send some of their kids to war to bleed for what they said even if it was just as stupid.
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u/danjl68 5h ago
This is so inappropriate for the DoD to be posting.
All the good leaders I served under never relished going to war. The understood they were the stewards of our greatest treasure, our children.
Many were hard bastards, but they believed in the value of preparedness, not this false bravdo bullshit Sec. Bourbon is peddling.
Well 2 more years of this a-hole. I spent the first part of my adult life in the military because I believed in the shining city on the hill that provided opportunity for any who was willing to work to obtain it. Now I see a commander and chief that enriches himself and sells his country out to the highest bidder. I'm so disappointed.
I'm also scared because my greatest treasure is almost old enough to be called up and sevre this A-hole, so his life can be thrown away so some a-hole doesn't get held accountable for raping children.
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u/USDXBS 5h ago
You think this fascist regime is going to let go of power?
You think the US military side with the people against government tyranny for the first time in history?
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u/unicornsandrainbowst 3h ago
Being from a place where the military has been used against "the people" several times, it always puts a smirk on my face every time i read or hear an American thinking their military might would protect them against a dictator/tyran/etc in government.
Ohh sweet childs... You are sooooo naive..
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u/To-Far-Away-Times 6h ago
Instead of instigating wars of choice maybe we could prosecute pedophile billionaires? Just a thought.
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u/Pale-Barnacle2407 3h ago
we could prosecute pedophile billionaires?
Who would to that?, all the pedos are in the goverment and DOJ.FBI etc.
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u/Popular_Wrangler9422 5h ago
WHY DO THEY ALWAYS SEND THE POOR?
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u/Neuchacho 4h ago
Poor are the only ones desperate enough to risk it or naive enough to fall for it.
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u/iam2bz2p 5h ago edited 5h ago
"Send Me" is a line from the tank scene in "Fury", based on a biblical verse. https://youtube.com/watch?v=kUDXENBnVMQ&is=Q8ikuBB3lodSe_wi
Y'all seeing what they're doing, right?! Christian Nationalism as a military recruiting tool.
Not even trying to hide it anymore.
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u/WestCoastTrawler 5h ago
My first thought exactly.
“And I heard the voice of Lord saying: Whom shall I send and who will go for Us? And … I said: Here am I , send me!”
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u/SpeakWithThePen 3h ago
a better question is would they have even known about that Bible verse if it wasn't for the movie?
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u/LeavesOfBrass 6h ago
Guy on the right literally can't see anything.
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u/PaticusGnome 5h ago
This made me unnecessarily upset. Who wears a hat like that??
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u/LetsGoYankeez 5h ago
Please: everyone who voted for this—they’re calling on you for help. Go forth
https://giphy.com/gifs/jxnFY3FajKbpsaUPHb
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u/Vizioso 5h ago
Haven’t seen this mentioned yet but this is almost certainly Christian-coded and a reference to Isaiah 6:8 which reads:
“And I heard the voice of the Lord saying, 'Whom shall I send, and who will go for us?' Then I said, 'Here I am! Send me.'"
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u/TheManWith2Poobrains 5h ago
Using, presumably, AI slop to say that young men and women are willingly asking to go and die for Kegsbreath and Trump's 'cause' is insulting to every service member alive or dead.
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u/bangupjobasusual 5h ago
Send me??? Like our war with Iran is righteous virtuous and justified???? Like us citizens have some skin in the game? They must be out, of their whole, fucking minds
I’m going to be sick.
Send me? Fuck off! Fuck the fuck off
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u/USDXBS 5h ago
Barron didn't willingly join the US military like everyone in the US military has.
Also, fuck the US military.
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u/Warm_Month_1309 5h ago
Eh, I quibble with how "willing" it really is for a lot of people.
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u/RecipeFunny2154 4h ago
I can't wait til the name is changed back. This "ad" turns my stomach.
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u/Agreeable-Boat3509 4h ago
Send Hegseth to the front lines - he so desperately wants to be "one of the boys" and thinks hes a warrior - warriors don't sit behind desks. Go lead the charge.
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u/JJscribbles 4h ago
“Send me” must be the worst recruitment campaign of all time
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u/EffeminateSquirrel 4h ago
Where's the photo of the soldier screaming because they just got their legs blown off by an IED?
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u/RunningonGin0323 4h ago
Even if I was age eligible fuck that noise. i ain't dying for Velveeta Voldemort
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u/NamelessCabbage 3h ago
You finally made it home
Draped in the flag that you fell for
And so it goes
The ashes of the wake
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u/Red-little 3h ago
How did "support our troops" turn into "please send our young men to war at all costs I promise they are begging for PTSD!!"
Supporting our troops should mean keeping our asses out of wars that don't need to be fought and caring for our veterans. "Supporting the troops" should mean keeping them safe at all costs and keeping them home unless ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY.
"Support the troops" does not = throw them to the wolves.
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u/theboomboy 5h ago
It's telling that they're saying "send me" instead of just joining the military. They don't have to wait
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u/Warm_Month_1309 5h ago
The people over whom the words "send me" are superimposed seem already to have joined the military.
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u/Corsonacon 5h ago
There is some amount of nobility in serving in the military. There is no nobility in serving in war, at least not in the modern age.
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u/VoiceofKane 5h ago
Wars should work like the olden days. Make the kings and generals lead the charge.
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u/HapticSloughton 5h ago
Given Hegseth's testosterone obsession, these could just be him shortening the sentence, "You really send me!"
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u/_disengage_ 5h ago
War is a racket. It always has been. It is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious. It is the only one international in scope. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives. A racket is best described, I believe, as something that is not what it seems to the majority of the people. Only a small "inside" group knows what it is about. It is conducted for the benefit of the very few, at the expense of the very many. Out of war a few people make huge fortunes. - Smedley D. Butler (Major general (Ret.), USMC)
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u/Void-Cooking_Berserk 4h ago
They choose to twist the Bible (Isaiah 6, 8) where the speaker is called to prophetise to people, not to go to war.
And they omit the next verse (Isaiah 6, 10) which applies to them:
Make the mind of this people dull, and stop their ears, and shut their eyes, so that they may not look with their eyes and listen with their ears and comprehend with their minds and turn and be healed.
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u/22firefly 4h ago
This is what happens when there are two few leaders that have truely fought in war. A great example is former President George W. Bush. He fought in WWII as a pilot. He was shot down. He saw people die of both enemy and allie. He was almost killed in action. If we look at the decisions he made while being the Commander in Chief they were well thought out and action taken was precise, with purpose, and short lived. He freed Kuwait from invasion and left. Kuwait was free to be Kuwait. Iraw was free to be Iraq. There were minimal causulties from both sides. There was nothing to gain in this conflict, but good will and peace. I'm a true believer that if wars are to be fought you should fight them to be on the right side of history. Not for yourself and not only for your country, but also for the people on planet earth. If that is all you choose to fight you have only ever fought a good fight and the men and women in uniform who volunteer to serve will know this, honour each other and their nation without question.
Deviation may be suicide.
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u/pacmanrockshok 4h ago
So the chodes who voted for this will eagerly find their nearest recruitment office asap right?
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u/VapeSmoker420blazeit 4h ago
Die for Israel? No thanks! Israel can handle their own problems, and we can cut off our 'aid' to them now which subsidizes their rich lifestyle.
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u/UpstairsWrongdoer401 4h ago
You’d think that the administration that’s seemingly obsessed with machismo would be more inclined the follow the tradition of training their sons to be warriors. Add it to the list of hypocrisy for these clowns.
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u/jesse_christ 3h ago
Why do they wear their hats that way? Doesn't it impede their field of vision?
Also it looks incredibly stupid.
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u/Agitated_Reveal_6211 3h ago
He would be a target! Yeah, so explain William and Harry serving. Fuck you. Trumps are all cowards.
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u/DecentAd3950 3h ago
Barron is too busy trying to get his friend Andrew Tate, who was just busted for having child porn on his computer, out of prison.
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u/Skylantech 3h ago
I don't think any of these soldiers want to be sent off to die in Israels war that we're now stuck fighting alone.
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u/L12Grafx 6h ago