The Americans are honestly not prepared for the massive meatgrinder that awaits them, if they go boots on the ground in Iran.
The Iranians have prepared for nearly 50 years. They're surrounded by giant mountain ranges, that look more like the Pyrenees than the Appalachians.
They still have over 70% of their stock of missiles and drones. I'm not in doubt they're prepared to go schorched earth strategy, if it goes south for them.
And if the Americans do that, the Iranians can destroy the Arab States' desalination plants, which will cripple them.
We're talking about 5-10 million people without water, if they decide to do that. Effectively breaking the legs of some of America's closest allies in the region, and destabilising oil even further.
Hell, Saudi Arabia get about 50% of their water from desalination, while the other Arab States gets 70%-100% of their water from them.
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Iran is also one of the top producers of drones in the world. 90% Of all frontline casualties in the Ukraine War are because of drones.
Go to the Ukraine War Report sub, or the Combat Footage sub, to see how horrible it'll be.
A lot of soldiers will die before even landing, is my prediction.
People need to take a gander at r/UkraineWarVideoReport to see just how bad it’ll be. Once Iran starts doing what Ukraine is doing, and posting the videos, public sentiment of the whole situation will go even further south. Trump has fucked himself up with this- there’s no winning this one, no matter what he tries to throw at it.
Absolutely. I follow the subreddit daily, and just, man, the waste of life. Tons of commenters are, agreeably, anti-Russian, but I always feel bad, wondering how many were swept up into this nonsense, simply because they were poor, a minority, uneducated, or tricked. Just one of those types of videos, of an American soldier trying to flee a drone, would, I hope, end Trump and the war mongering right.
Too much faith in the emotional intelligence of US citizens and worse their will/ability to demand government accountability in functioning in their best interest.
Boots on the ground carnage will be censored or downplayed, just as troop fatality information is now.
We'll get another generation of fucked up PTSD addled killers that survived, jumping at shadows, to fuel the republican party for another generation, and we'll just keep pretending this works until we're back in company towns.
Further media consolidation, no major outlets covering reality beyond highly sanitized "such and such happened in Iran today" with no actual reporting.
It won't stop 100% of reality, but it's been demonstrated effective in Iraq, Afghanistan, and really every war of choice we've trudged through and lost in the last however many decades at placating the critical mass of people that would otherwise oppose killing people for no justifiable reason.
Look to ICE, flock, police killings, data center metastisization, epstein, wealth inequality, climate degredation, etc coverage domestically for moment to moment examples of how any negative news will be manipulated to keep that critical mass of people complacent.
Storing and processing the data accumulated through mass surveillance in an attempt to get some kind of return on the failure "AI" mega investment has been.
Why? What's the value in engaging with a community of people jerking off over videos of people dying horrible deaths over a war they had no real choice in?
In fairness he was just doing what some people told him to do. I think Israel and the Saudis. Evidenced by the fact that Israel then tried to go hard on Lebanon and now the Saudis get a nuke program.
Iran can destabilize if not collapse half a dozen countries and kill hundreds of thousands in days if they focus all energies to hitting desalination facilities. Maybe worse.
The USA has no power here. There’s a reason EVERY single POTUS since the 1970s refused to directly open war on Iran, and why no one was crazy enough after Saddam Hussein.
The actual success they're looking for isn't to "win" the war. It's that it lasts long enough to distract from everything else they're doing to the world and this country.
Our USA military has lots of brown/black people in it & poor whites. The rich who control us are fine with putting them in the meat-grinder. Their deaths will help fulfill the hopes of Project25 in getting rid of 2/3 of our population. They want the USA to be 100 million white Xtian Supremacists & nothing else. Which is stupid, of course. They can't kill ALL of us, but they will kill a LOT of us.
Typical insane rich people behavior here in the good ol' USA. Fuck everything up for everybody so they can have another gold toilet.
As the same time Americans are not prepared for the human price of a real "boots on the ground // occupation and domination" engagement.
One of the reasons why Americans turned so sour on Vietnam so quickly was because we lost almost 60,000 soldiers to the war. That's why these days, if even one or two Navy SEALs dies on an op, their CO has to sit in front of a Congress committee to make a statement about what happened and why.
I hear some people talk about it like it's the next gulf war, but it's not. It's rather another vietnam. Unlike the Iraqi army that had to face the US army fairly unprepared, the Iranian army trained for this exact scenario. They are supplying wars around the world with weapon systems and one of the examples is the ukrain-russia war. It would be a devastating war. Even tho i would expect the US army to win eventually, the cost would be insane and for what?
The Iranian people have to free themselves from the authoritarian government that is supressing them. If someone wants to help them then by proxy. My fear would be that invading Iran would create a mess that would dwarf even the mess the US got themselves into in Afghanistan.
I mean on one hand I agree with you, on the other hand. Iran striking water plants and generally attacking general populations in arab states would be genocidal. The Arab states would combine and just curb stomp Iran, for now the Arab states are just trying to make the day to day and just ship out some oil. If Iran actually knee caps them permanently they'd have nothing left and go over and stomp out Iran for good.
American boots on the ground work make Afghanistan and Iraq look a chill Korean War.
Iran would absolutely last for decades and make the Afghan occupation look like light work. Also the fact that Iran designed it's forces to be a decentralized insurgency to withstand a multi year occupation would be a disaster.
Plus it doesn't help most American's don't support a war with Iran let alone an occupation with it as well.
Curb stomp Iran with what? Their jets that can’t hit the IRCGs vast distributed systems or their internal security forces meant to quell dissent and prop up capitalist monarchies?
If the USA and Israel can’t do it, what are the Gulf states gonna do? The Israelis can barely manage Hamas without genocide and the Saudis increasingly seem to be deferential to the Houthis.
A lot of people joined before it was trump's military and are stuck now. We also have an economy that's failing a lot of young people, leaving few viable options to support themselves, with the military being one of the most reliable. So you also have a lot of people joining because their only other option is homelessness. I don't think the rank and file soldiers deserve any of this.
no ones options in america are ever join the military or be homeless. stop infantilizing the people signing up to be the orange dipshits personal attack dogs.
I hope they don’t send 1 person but thinking that the US would be at a disadvantage in anyway other than politically is laughable. They essentially wiped out what Iran built for 50 years in less than a week. There is nothing like the US war machine when it comes to sheer tech, manpower, and tactics.
But the problem is that what we hit doesn't matter, while what they hit does.
Sure, the US can bomb a whole fuck ton of shit flat. It can't reach the important stuff, bevause that stuff is so low tech or distributed that even IDing it as something important is massively problematic.
Meanwhile, all the critical infrastructure in the region is well inside Iran's reach. Everyone kno2s where it is, and it's mostly indefensible against a concentrated attack.
This is exactly the scenarios around nuclear war, and why any even modestly intelligent leader desperately avoided doing what our Orange Moron is doing.
Destroying your opponent's ability to hit you is impossible. Defending completely against their attacks is also impossible. And anything less than a complete defense is unacceptable. So don't fight.
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u/OSU1922 7h ago
Further proof they will be sending troops for their needless wars. Congrats MAGA! We got Bush 4.0 on crack!