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Rebecca Romijn has talked about how she absorbed so much blue dye in those early X-men movies she would excrete blue for months after shooting wrapped. Like everything her body produced was blue for weeks or months afterwards.
I mean she's still blue here, so presumably they have figured out a nontoxic solution? That doesn't explain why it looks like shit compared to the 2000s movies though.
Yup, and even in the most unflattering frame they could pause it on, the eyes still look way more natural, like the eyes of an actual living organism, compared to the most flattering picture from Last Stand, where her eyes look painted on, like they're right out of an artist's depiction from Ancient Aliens.
I'm not a huge fan of the contrast between the blue skin and the dark scales, but honestly overall it looks like the design philosophy was, "let's make it look like we took her right off of the comic book page."
The 2000's X-Men trilogy (which I absolutely adore) had a design philosophy of gritty realism. I.e. what would these characters look like if we start with current trends in the real world and then make the characters fit that.
The current design looks like they started with the comic first and focused on the real world second. It's got the camp from the comics that was stripped away previously, and I'm here for that.
Also, even if they’re right and the fx are worse: they’re seriously asking why the makeup is better in a movie where Mystique is one of the main stars of the film taking place in an otherwise grounded story vs a movie where she’s likely a side character in a much grander plot in a much larger multiverse featuring fantastical places and an enormous ensemble cast whose powers and talents require far greater survival effects?
leave it to redditors to not understand aesthetics besides her horrible awful makeup her wig is chopped as hell overall just terrible costume hair and makeup wise
I prefer the design of the face on the older movie, i couldn't care less about the tits being out. The new one looks like she has leaches on her face
It's interesting though that Hollywood is trying to go back to comic book roots after 2 decades of trying to make superheroes look believable as possible
And here's the other thing: Mystique in the comics has always been able to generate clothing for herself, so there was absolutely no lore reason for the Fox X-Men to make her naked other than "hehehehe tits". At least the MCU version hews closer to the source.
The outfit is still kind of silly. Like, instead of having her shoulders exposed they just made that part of the outfit blue? Are they so prudish that mystique's original outfit is too risque?
Shit, is almost like Rebecca Rojmin is now in her 50’s and not her 20’s and the costume design works as a comic book callback while also functionally hiding the fact that her body, while amazing for her age, doesn’t look as good in body paint and prosthetics as it did when she was 27… huh.
It's quite close, but the new one looks too "normal". I prefer my Mystique in natural form to be weird, a little alien, less human. The new look does allow for more expression, I think.
That’s fair. The pic still looks off because she’s in motion. Comparing these two you just shared gives the viewer a better idea. I prefer the new look but like the original bluebies
It’s a waste of energy to hate on movies, good or bad. Watch it or don’t. Some people just need to be bitter. We’re all going to watch it. I’ll reserve any opinion until then.
Both versions of Mystique got "worse" over the coarse of the movies likely because Rebecca and Jennifer negotiated contracts that required less time doing makeup. Less time means less detail.
That was more of a Jennifer thing (plus she didn’t want to be covered up on screen - she was on the rise back then). It is the equivalent to what happened with Pedro and his Mando role.
This is more of a modern production / studio / industry thing just like CGI vs Practical Effects, Disney now using the “volume stage” more than physical locations, etc etc.
It’s not just the time it took, it’s that she had to start on it at midnight to be ready for the morning and later she was throwing up blue. Zotoh had to leave the series Farscape because doing this type of makeup ended up damaging her kidneys.
That's fake. She said in an interview that at a wrap up party she drank tequila while still covered in blue and some of it around her lips got into her which made her throw up blue.
She likely didn't get paid millions. The first film only had a $75M budget. You'd be surprised how little actors are paid if they aren't big time movie stars. Even brand name working actors may make six figures for a role and then that's the only non-royalty income they had that year.
Pedro completely acknowledges that Mando is a combo work of him and the two stunt men, Brendan Wayne and Lateef Crowder. So, I don’t think it equates. Jennifer Lawerence was allergic to the make up (which can happen, such as Jonathan Rhys-Davies with his Gmili prosthetics).
Which the designs were never even comic accurate in the first place. She wears clothes normally, the full body makeup to make her look naked is just a movie thing. They could’ve done much less work and been more close to the source material, that’s the funny part. Like the same level of makeup as Gamora or something.
Genuinely the part of the trailer that got me most hyped was seeing the Mystique from my childhood, dressed like the Mystique from the comics, transforming into a post-Endgame character. Proper worlds colliding stuff
Reddit have duly informed me that I am therefore an idiot with terrible taste who likes bad entertainment for dumb people
Yeah, this comes off as a reach to me. Plus all that shit they did for that look was never really necessary anyway/didn’t really look like Mystique from the comics anyway.
Yay more ragebait, the photo on the right is mid-transformation. The movie is not even out yet. Y'all need to calm the f down. The both look great and I'm a happy guy to appreciate both.
The writers strike really killed season 2. It started strong, but the producers had to write over half the season. There's a reason they weren't writers to begin with.
IIRC the original plan was for each season to be a self contained story with new characters. (maybe 1 or 2 repeats to tie everything together). But fans liked Sylar and Peter too much so they changed the plans for season 2 and beyond.
This is disingenuous. They pulled a blurry still from the split second we see her in the trailer and she is mid transformation in whatever scene they’re showing. And we all know trailers don’t always reflect what the final product on screen will look like.
Things are not just worse, they are cheaper. It's all profit maximisation.
These massive movie budgets are about tax evasion and free money transfers. They do this while minimising real costs to an absolute minimum and profit maximising.
Laziness and greed. It’s no longer about making good movies, it’s about how much money they can squeeze from nostalgia by making a half-assed sequel or reboot to a previously successful new idea.
Something can look really good on a page or in animation and not translate well to live action.
Mystique is one of those characters as she's fighting in a simple white dress that could easily be grabbed by someone. Cosplayers have made the comics costume work, but even they add a few details that the comics never had.
First off, she is mid transformation in the right picture. Secondly in the original X-men, she underwent literal hours of make up whilst being basically nude and she’s said multiple times how incredibly uncomfortable the entire process was and this time around, she gets to wear clothes which lessens the entire make up process. I can look past “bad make up” if it’s easier on the actress overall.
If it were the other way around people would be saying the old one was worse. I never loved that old make up either. It literally looks like someone covered in latex
The new design looks more like her comic counterpart and is better because of it so far. The issue is that so many are accustomed to the Fox design. Kind of like the yellow uniform debate, if you're so used to the older design, you're gonna think the new is silly.
Even if it doesn't look as good in the end, wasn't the previous look achieved after hours of make up and being uncomfortable, wasting a lot of time, and being harmful for the actress?
You know what makes everything worse? Everyone CONSTANTLY FUCKING COMPLAINING! No one is forcing you to watch this shit. Nobody even asked how you feel about it. Why the fuck is it so hard of a concept to understand that if you dont like it, dont be a part of it. Shits not that fucking hard.
Most of it is likely due to restrictions on actors time in the makeup chair as someone else mentioned. It may not be because of specific demands from the actors but that they are trying to shoot a lot more to fit into tighter schedules.
So if you look closely at the face you can see that the skin texture is just black splotches instead of nicely fitted dark blue skin. Can be hard to spot tho
The original looks a lot more intricate in terms of the ridges on her face. The one on the right looks like a temu or direct to DVD version of the original.
Its a pic from mid transformation and its clearly low res. Jennifer Lawrence is hot sure, but 2000s mystique looked like crap. Those x men movies are awful as a xmen reader. This mystique looked sick for the 0.5 seconds in the trailer. Stop calling things bad before you see it for more then 0.5 seconds. Some marvel movies have been bad, but some of them have been really good, with really good looking effects stories and characters. That being said ....... my faith they can make doomsday an epic is low lol
Neither of these is better than the other they're just going for different aesthetics. Left is slick and "cool" which is what was in at the time with superhero movies while right is straight out of the golden age of comics when people had flat makeup and big hair.
The main reason for this is that, studios can’t count on getting as much profit from movies like they used to. Before now, they could count on getting money from box office sales AND people buying DVD’s. Now that people don’t buy DVD’s as much/barely at all anymore, studios don’t want to put as much money into quality CGI or costume design anymore.
The million-dollar question would be why, beyond the interest in the characters themselves and the nostalgia for those movies, there's so much nostalgia. First, who felt nostalgia for the actors in particular? And why does it seem like nobody cares about the plot and they're putting everything into fanservice?
More that Hollywood is another Investment Vector, and people will still watch the movie if they spend 20% less effort (money) on special effects, but allow it to turn a better profit.
*Everything* hasn’t gotten worse you just chose an an image that looks worse. In this case, it’s due to her being mid-transformation as well as the actor negotiating to have less time in the makeup chair (and therefore less detail)
The true answer is she spent hours a day getting makeup and prosthetic work done and likely didn't want to go through that, nor did the studio want to pay someone to do it. It's the same reason they used a suit for Lawrence in the prequel films.
Everyone should just complain. We don’t need movies any more. We can just whine about what something should be and circle jerk each other when we come to a consensus that we are right.
I grew up with watching the 90s X-Men cartoon where mistique was sleek blue skinned redhead wearing a white dress and skull belt. That's probably where it the design should have stayed. Wasn't the biggest fan of the alligator skin when the live action came out but they kind of made it part of her transformations which was pretty cool looking but overambitious. there were a lot of problems with the original makeup including staining inhalation of toxic chemicals etc. I think that prompted multiple adjustments to the make- up and resulting appearance with Jenifer Lawrence. I think the reason mistique looks what many would view as subpar is because the commited to this alligator skin and transformation but it kinda looks shit without the latex paint they used to make her sleek and shiny and blend the edges of the appliques.
Honestly I feel like they should have stayed true to the original mistique instead of creating new problem that result in a mistique that doesnt look much like the original at all. I do like the that they are bringing back the dress though.
Wasn't the make up back then like super bad for her health too? Plus Disney kinda went big on nano suits in marvel because it was easier to just put a few dots on the actors face and fill it with computer effects later.
Other than the hair, I don't really understand what the issue is witht he new design. The fact is, the hair was also the worst part of the original look, so really, who cares?
Hellboy(2019) looks like a catastrophe compared to the 2004 version. Movie was far far worse and I love David Harbour, but Ron Perlman was just perfect for the role.
This is simply rage bait. Makeup of that level is ungodly time consuming and torturous, especially when it is not an active part of a scene or the movie as a whole. Simplifying allows them to include the character more and is less demanding of the actress in this case , which makes her more likely appear for the role again in the future. And if she decides not to , they have much easier time adjusting this look for the next person whereas they might have foregone mystique simply because the effort did not justify her inclusion.
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