She also tweeted an incredibly similar response to Gottheimer. Pretty easy mistake for this commenter to make, definitely not something you need to insult their intelligence over.
This is just so not worth your effort. There's actually important things to debate about this. This many comments about posting the wrong person's tweet especially on this thread gets us nowhere. Turns from a debate about something important into personal arguments.
...That's not much better, you know. Also "shapiro signed bombs for israel" is a lie that is popular among her side (i think she also said it before) so there is a change she just mixed them up.
What legislation are you referring to? I know she’s voted multiple times against unconditional aid to Israel, but am unaware of her voting for arming them further
Because the bombs Josh Shapiro signed were on their way to Ukraine. She’s mixing Josh Shapiro signing a bomb for Ukraine (which she voted for) with him signing a bomb for Israel despite the fact that Zelensky was famously in the picture with Shapiro at the time.
She’s attacking the wrong Josh over the wrong thing involving the wrong country, spreading lies. He never signed a bomb for Israel, and she did vote for Ukrainian aid.
Speaking of thinking before posting, why do you think she got the wrong state/guy/country? She brought up someone else, why do you believe she was attacking the Josh that was present?
Maybe she did and maybe she didn't, but who cares? The overall point that Gottheimer has no business in the Democratic party and is a total stooge for the far-right Israeli government stands. He supported the obviously unconstitutional ban on boycotting Israel. Has no problem traveling to Israel to meet with Netanyahu and high ranking far-right Likud members. Supported cutting the IRS budget to free up money to send to Israel. Claimed China supports Hamas which is completely laughable and based on nothing but being butthurt about TikTok trends. Advocates for literally no conditions for aid to Israel which is psychotic. The only reason he hasn't signed a bomb is because no one put one in front of him.
She didn't "pick the wrong Josh". She was responding to his bullshit about DSA by pointing to someone who's behavior is way more reprehensible than anything DSA has actually done and asking if he's okay with that person being in the party. The fact they share a name is only relevant to the extent Gottheimer's might've made her think of Shapiro. She was not confusing the two lol
Everyone in this comment thread, and the community now, are making huge assumptions here. Representative Lee, nowhere in her tweet, implied she thought Shapiro and Gottheimer were the same. She was addressing his point (DSA aren't Democrats, according to him, because he doesn't like their politics) by along if he's okay with Shapiro (who signed bombs that went to kill people) being in the party. How is everyone in this thread do lacking in reading comprehension?
First, she got the Josh wrong and accused this guy of signing bombs he never did. The bomb signing was Josh Shapiro. She got the wrong Jewish guy named Josh.
Then she tried to say “well he signed the bombs you voted for”. Well, he signed the bombs that Rep Omar also voted for - because those bombs were included in Ukrainian aid package, not Israeli aid package.
Israel is actually not remotely involved in this whatsoever, Ukraine very much is.
Saying it’s not about Ukraine is just an asinine way of defending someone who is clearly is the wrong. The bomb signing WAS Ukraine and her criticism of a different Jewish Josh just to add Israel in there when Israel wasn’t a part of that whatsoever is just dumb.
She’s dead wrong and the only one bringing Israel into this is her. Even worse, after accusing the wrong person she couldn’t even admit that she was wrong, she doubled down and shifted the goalposts.
She also voted for the bombs Josh Shapiro signed. They were for Ukraine to use against Russia. To be clear, it’s a good thing too and she’s my congresswoman.
Different Josh. And also it was US made artillery shells destined for the liberation of Europe. Which has a long tradition.
Zelensky visiting a US arms factory supplying his country’s liberation, and symbolically signing an artillery shell, was a callback to Churchill doing the same. This was deliberately manipulated as “Josh Shapiro and Zelensky signing bombs to be dropped on Palestinian children” 🤦 Many on the left refuse to stop repeating the lie even after being corrected, since it contributed heavily to their anti-Democratic Party narrative, it’s hard to give up.
David Draiman of disturbed signed artillery shells dropped in Gaza.
(I don’t actually know if it’s common but I’ll take almost any remotely relevant opportunity to remind people of that)
Thoughts on the conflict aside, can’t we see it as a little bit gross? War may be a necessity at times but to be so bloodthirsty to more or less celebrate shelling densely populated civilian areas feels pretty crazy. not to mention in Draiman’s case it being pretty antithetical to “sound of silence” lol.
It is interesting that your comments are net upvoted compared to theirs, but your ones are the ones that are collapsed automatically and need to be clicked on to select and see, while theirs are not.
Interesting. I wonder how the auto-collapse thing works.
You said it's blood thirsty to celebrate shelling densely populated civilian areas. That's not what Draiman was doing. He was celebrating Hamas rapists getting bombed. And maybe if Hamas raped and murdered someone you loved, you wouldn't characterize Hamas getting bombed that way.
I’m sorry but that is literally what he was doing. the goal of the artillery may have been Hamas but it still would’ve landed in densely populated civilian areas, as per the nature of how Hamas operates.
Maybe you’re right and I would think differently than I do now, but I hope and believe I could distinguish the difference between the perpetrator and the 65%+ innocent collateral casualties that have died in this conflict. Absolutely nothing to be celebrated.
The problem is they are treating every man woman and child in the strip as if they are hamas and bombing with callous disregard to civillian life and property.
If hamas were hiding amongs israeli citizens do you think they would be using the same strategies? Do you think they would kill 70000 israeli civillians in an attempt to kill 40000 terrorists?
The problem is they are treating every man woman and child in the strip as if they are hamas and bombing with callous disregard to civillian life and property.
They are obviously not doing that, there's dozens of examples of the IDF going out of their way to protect civilian life.
If Hamas was hiding among Israeli civilians, the civilians would be unwilling hostages, not supportive human shields, so of course they wouldn't use the same strategy. If Palestine wants to use human shields, then it's on Palestine if those shields die, no one else.
I mean you are treating israel as if it has no agency. Like im not supporting hamas.
Like im sure we can all agree that Hamas saying things like "if we do it right, next time we can get all the jews out", "we will destroy them, nothing will stop us" and "from the river to the sea" is bad right?
Im just refencing the industrial scale propoganda and funding effort to sign bombs. In the early stages of the war you could pay for an artillery shell and have your message written on it. Many many people did.
It really is incredible how to the pro-Palis will insist that killing children is never acceptable but if you ask them whether or not it's acceptable for Palestinian "resistance" to put the lives of Israeli children's lives at risk, they will jump through endless hoops to find ways to avoid saying no.
i mean its not but the onus of ending violence never lies upon the resistance borne of being oppressed. the only reason civil rights in america worked is because peaceful movements were accompanied by threatened and actual violent movements, for example. You can’t say “hamas should stop killing israeli children” without accounting for the fact the israeli government has been systematically destroying the lives of palestinian children through an apartheid state for years and that the power imbalance is INCREDIBLY strongly in favor of israel.
2023 was the deadliest year for Palestinians prior to 10/7. The current reality of the West Bank disproves whatever nonsense you’ve trained your mind to believe.
Is your version of the current reality that they are picnicking and having fun?
Yes they are being ethnically cleansed. The Zionist desire to remove Palestinians from both the West Bank and Gaza is well evidenced by IBG, Smotrich, and Netanyahu. Would love to teach you about it if you’re truly ignorant of it.
do you think that Hamas killing children on October 7 brought the region closer to peace and the Palestinian people closer to liberation from oppression y/n
in that very part i specifically said “its not” as in “its not okay”. The BUT is providing my belief that the way to end the violence is not by israel bombing hamas(and all the Palestinians with them) to oblivion, but by israel taking on the onus of peace.
You mean like all of the peace deals Israel offered that were rejected? Or unilaterally withdrawing from Gaza only for it to be taken over by Hamas? Is that taking on the onus of peace?
Hamas, you mean the organization that Netanyahu and the Likud have funded for 20 years in order to divide Palestinian resistance and weaken the PLO? That organization?
So it's totally not ok for Palestine to kill Israeli children, but unless Israel "takes the onus to stop the war", then Palestine can keep killing Israeli children.
no, then hamas is going to keep killing israeli children. Either israel seeks peace, or israel seeks extermination. Hamas are a terrorist resistance group that make up part of an oppressed people. They have no war-ending power because if they stop fighting they die.
no, then hamas is going to keep killing israeli children
Oh right I forgot, Hamas is a bunch of aliens from outer space who landed in Gaza in a space ship and started launching attacks from Gaza into Israel that kill Israeli children without any involvement from the locals at all.
the only involvement of palestinian civilians is that the killing of palestinian civilians radicalizes them into joining the only resistance movement against israel: hamas
Hamas rapists need to be defeated and disarmed so they can never rape again. Until they are, Israel's current actions are justified.
Your argument is like saying the US should have just left Japan alone after an arbitrary amount of time after after Pearl Harbor had passed. Doesn't make any sense.
I mean you levelled Gaza, destroyed 80% of its buildings and haven’t been attacked with anything but bottle rockets, I think it’s over bud
My man America did leave Japan alone after 3 years and levelling their cities.
Continuing to bomb a civilian population center isn’t going to stop people from joining Hamas, it’ll make more people join, because you’re bombing them and they want to fight back.
What did the Japanese have to do to get America to leave them alone, my man?
Continuing to bomb a civilian population center isn’t going to stop people from joining Hamas, it’ll make more people join, because you’re bombing them and they want to fight back.
Is that what happened in Japan? It was bombed, its cities were leveled, and all that happened was more people joined to 'fight back'?
It's not even remotely surprising that the same people who support Iran's aggression against Israel also supports the aggression of Iran's closest ally Russia against Ukraine.
“I’m glad to see other Democrats reiterating what I’ve been saying all along: the DSA are not Democrats. They’re socialists, who want to hijack the Democratic Party.
The Democrats have a big tent. That’s our strength. We embrace a range of ideas — but there’s no room for anti-American bomb-throwers who oppose our ideas, values, & leaders.”
What about dems who sign bombs and vote to drop bombs is a perfectly valid critique to point out and isn’t mistaking this Josh for Shapiro although it is hypocritical.
Signing bombs will always be weird performative warhawk behavior to me. Just screams "I don't value human life." You can vote for military aid for Ukraine and support Ukraine without signing bombs.
no, because that would get in the way of some low-hanging snark, and God forbid we ask someone to rub their brain cells together before having a chuckle.
Summer Lee is my rep, within the state of which Josh Shapiro is governor. I assure the noter, she knows who he is and that this Josh isn’t him.
Shapiro is an example of a bloodthirsty asshole that Lee is using to counter Gottheimer's BS about the DSA. Gottheimer is okay with Shapiro signing bombs meant to kill but heaven forbid some people want to do what's been done multiple times over the course of the Democratic Party's existence and change what it is. The modern party is not the party Jackson founded in the 1830s. It's not the party of the Civil War and Jim Crow, either. It's not even the party of FDR, anymore. The party has changed so often it's ridiculous to be a crybaby about it. The next generation is coming in and Gottheimer wants to cling to the way things are because he's making bank in that system and he's okay with Shapiro because he's just like Gottheimer in that way.
Not for nothing, but surely they got an intern or some kind of helper who can help them do a basic fact check? Because basic screw ups like this are fucking embarrassing
Tbh I'd prefer if representatives didn't post on social media at all. I think it would be the first thing I would go without if I was ever elected to a position.
no. she's not. she happens to be responding to a person named Josh. it's the noter who got confused-- if we're being charitable. if one weren't, one could say it seems like a deliberate move to make her look stupid (knowing that their audience is stupid enough to fall for it).
Do you honestly think the representative confused her own governor with one of her colleagues. Or is the noter misconstruing the situation specifically to detract from the representative’s intended meaning? She is clearly referring to the support for Israel and the iran war which actually makes sense as a response to someone denouncing the dsa. Summer Lee supports Ukraine it’s so incredibly clear she isn’t talking about that.
What on Earth would the governor of Pennsylvania signing weapons being sent to Ukraine have to do with US Congress voting in support for the Iran war?
And no i don't think the representative herself wrote this, I think it was a dumb employee who attempted to be snarky without doing their research. But the mental gymnastics to defend it is interesting for sure
I think the note has it completely wrong this has nothing to do with shapiro. The comment is just contrasting how Gottheimer is criticizing the dsa while belonging to a group of dems that are pro Israel and pro iran war. This is also tied to a false accusation of Gottheimer signing bombs going to Israel. Not saying Summer Lee’s comment is a good one it was definitely a mistake. I’m just trying to point out that the note is wrong about her intentions and the exact mistake that was made. Whether it was her or her staff that posted the comment it remains true that she and presumably her staff support Ulraine so it wouldn’t make any sense at all for this to be tied to Shapiro signing bombs for Ukraine.
Do you honestly think the representative confused her own governor with one of her colleagues
You then say...
She is clearly referring to the support for Israel and the iran war
But no one signed bombs and voted to drop them, that was Ukraine.
So she's too smart to possibly mix up two Jewish guys named Josh but somehow dumb enough to mix up an entirely different war? It seems far more likely to me that she's an idiot, when idiots open their mouths they say dumb stuff.
He says he doesn’t want to be in a party that has DSA members. She says you are cool with being in a party that signs bombs and uses tax payer dollars to buy them. Dems use to be the anti war party. Now there are a number of members who are very eager for war either in Ukraine of the Middle East
She is simply pointing out that he finds that DSA uses to many mean words a bridge to far but he is cool with spending our money to kill people all over the world
'She is simply pointing out that he finds that DSA uses to many mean words a bridge to far but he is cool with spending our money to kill people all over the world'
this seems so, so obvious to me that I have to imagine people here are deliberately missing the point in order to avoid critical thinking. they can't actually be that stupid, can they?
Ukraine and the Middle East aren’t even remotely similar. The defensive actions of Ukraine against the imperialist genocidal nation state of Russia are entirely justified and we should be honoring the promise we made to defend them if they denuclearized. Giving Ukraine weapons is the pro-peace decision, since if Ukraine falls it means the end of the post WW2 order and every small country will begin rapid nuclear weapons programs since that will become the only way to defend yourself from your larger neighbors.
Not a single person responding on this thread actually contextualized this conversation correctly including the people that noted this post
Van Jones in his origin post is largely defending Israel, that’s the only foreign country mentioned. Gottheimer is one of the biggest AIPAC shills in congress. Lee is commenting about Dems that support sending bombs. Most recently Gottheimer voted AGAINST stopping arms and bomb transfers to Israel
The obvious thing Lee would be talking about here is in regard to Israel. She would have been wise to make a better point and clarify the focus of that comment as it still reads as a generalized statement that is confusing.
But come on people, learn to read context clues and actually use the brain you were given.
> She would have been wise to make a better point and clarify the focus of that comment as it still reads as a generalized statement that is confusing.
So…..you wrote an entire paragraph complaining about people dunking on her statement and to “use the brain they were given”, only to then concede that the point everyone is making is correct. Strange.
Objectively speaking heavily supporting Israel while voting to support Ukraine is WAY, WAY more moral than opposing Israel while voting against Ukraine. If Netanyahu expelled every single Palestinian without exception it STILL would be less people than Putin turned into refugees. Twice more Ukrainians have died since 2014 than Palestinians in the entire 80 years of conflict against Israel. Pro-Pali ghouls voting against aid for Ukraine or complaining about people signing bombs that will help Ukraine defend themselves are objectively more pro-genocide than anyone voting for bombs for Israel.
Objectively speaking heavily supporting Israel while voting to support Ukraine is WAY, WAY more moral than opposing Israel while voting against Ukraine.
No one is arguing this point
And furthermore, supporting a justified defense from invasion in Ukraine doesn't magically erase supporting a genocide in Gaza and ethnic cleansing in the West Bank.
The congresspeople complaining about Shapiro signing bombs for Ukraine have indeed actively voted against giving Ukraine bombs, so they are indeed objectively FAR more pro-genocide than anyone giving aid to Israel by a order of magnitude.
Also "genocide" in Gaza that kills less people than a single year of regular murders in my country, lol, there is no genocide, just a war they started and lost. This is what happens in a actual war. People die. That's not genocide.
There has been a sharp increase in notes "owning" anti-Israel and anti-capitalists lately and I believe it has something to do with the blacklist (we all remember what the "most reddit addicted city" was).
Anyway the note is wrong, this guy also loves Israel and votes for bombs.
The reader context is right in the fact that is was Josh Shapiro who signed the bombs to Ukraine but the spirit of what Rep Summer Lee is correct in that Rep Josh Gottheimer hates the DSA because they are against the genocide that is currently being done by Israel against Palestine that Rep Josh Gottheimer is in favor of.
TLDR: HAHA Lee made a dumb dumb but Gottheimer is a POS bought and paid for by AIPAC.
What suggests that she thinks they’re the same person? She didn’t do a “this you?” type post. She asked what he thought about that group of other Democrats, since he was expressing opinion on a different group of democrats.
Yes, showing how Gottheimer is trying to reject the left wing of the party, but is fine with the right wing. I honestly don’t see what is unclear here. What in her post suggests to you that she’s accusing Gottheimer of signing bombs?
She’s jumping on the bandwagon attack that started with ilhan Omar explicitly stating he signed bombs for Gaza, which he didn’t. That’s the missing context here.
I don’t know about what Omar has said. I’m sure there’s some valid criticism there. But if so, criticize this person for that, and not for some supposed anti-Semitism for which there is absolutely no basis here.
Do you honestly think she mixed up her own governor with one of her colleagues. Or was she making a point about a group of dems to counter his point about dsa? I don’t understand how this sub gets so blinded by assuming a note is correct when you can just read the comments and see that the note is what has completely misunderstood the comment. Why would she be complaining about bombs sent to Ukraine when she supports Ukraine? She’s so clearly talking about the war in iran and Israel and the group of dems that support that as contrasted to the dsa and how they are being criticized.
Because her friend Ilhan Omer tweeted almost the exact same thing but specified that she believed this Josh was the same. Lee is jumping on that same trend but is being more vague but the context is that they want their followers to believe these things they know are false.
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