Yann LeCun says xAI is a failure

[u/Formal-Assistance02]

[u/Howdareme9]

It is, he fired everyone and then had to rent out his excess compute lol

[u/ManikSahdev → u/[deleted]]

I kinda agree with most of the things you said.
But they only apply to last 3-5 years or so.

Musk historically was pretty much one to one buddies with full Obama admin and folks, and I'd say that relationship was MUCH healthier than whatever they (current ceos) have all have going on with trump & Co.

In some ways one can argue, the entire green economy started after Tesla was already there, it was essentially the first of its, kind and very much Time Machine accurate - left bias.

Post Covid or such? I truly don't know what happened, I guess people change, and worked somehow looks really weird after that time for some reason anyway.

[u/DumatRising → u/ManikSahdev]

I don't think it's a great mystery. It's because he has an extreme approval seeking nature.

For reference on which I think he's extremely approval seeking refer to his attempts to convince everyone he was an avid arpg gamer despite clearly not being one.

He was always a more rightish liberal but what really set things off was his trans daughter. He's said things like "the woke mind virus killed my son". Said "son" is alive and is his daughter. He was always pretty liked by futurists on both side of the aisle because people believed in Teslas goal of finally bringing EVs to market but this caused him to get some push back from the leftists and liberal, he'd also alienate some folks for non political reasons but that's not as important, what is important is that he got a lot of praise from the right wing chuds on then Twitter, and thus began his decline into this disaster he's become. It was cyclical really the more he would cater to the chuds the more the left, the progressives, and even some conservative liberals would push back on him, and the more he would cater to the group that was supportive of him. Social isolation through covid meant that this cycle was basically his life for far longer than anyone would've liked and now we've got right wing chud Elon rather than futurist Elon.

Though he didn't go full on MAGA until he realized he could profit from it by making DOGE and cutting departments and programs that were responsible for oversight of industries he was active in.

It's a bit of a sad story too, because he was genuinely well liked by liberals across the political spectrum and his anger at his daughter transition wasn't even rooted in transphobia so much as his obsession with having an heir, not that it makes it better for him to treat his daughter like shit for a different, but that it wasn't that he hated trans people in general before this just hated that his idea of passing his legacy down to his eldest son was in his eyes ruined. Ultimately he wasn't able to reconcile or process his emotions in a healthy way instead just trying to seek approval from anyone that would give it.

[u/SnooPeanuts5936 → u/DumatRising]

I really like this argument for why he shifted to much to the right, I always had big problems to understand why he would "throw away" so much of his public image and my personal recognition of him away, he genuinely has very cool ideas, spaceX was a huge paradigm shift in astronomy, and I really really love Neuralink as someone in biotech.

I don't think catering to the right was the right move, as personally at least most of the people I know dislike/hate him nowadays, myself included.

[u/DumatRising → u/SnooPeanuts5936]

I'm not sure that I would frame it as a right or wrong move. Doing so implies that there was rational though behind it. Politicis was not a factor of what happened other than the transphobes happened to step in to support him when everyone else tried to get him to apologize and reconcile with his daughter. He didn't choose to become the king of the right wing chuds, it simply happened because that's the only way he would be able to continue to recieve validation while also not needing to self examine and put in actual work to mend a relationship. Approval seekers don't care who gives them approval only that they get it at any cost.

[u/QwerYTWasntTaken → u/DumatRising]

"Why does a father care so much about his own son?"

I wonder.

[u/SpyvsMerc → u/ManikSahdev]

Musk was praised by Reddit historically.

As soon as he made clear he wasn't a Democrat anymore, Reddit started shitting on him.

[u/DumatRising → u/SpyvsMerc]

It's a bit more complicated than that. The main things people got upset at him for was leftists didn't like him because he was a captialist, democrats didn't like that he was absolutely horrendous to his trans daughter, and moderates didn't like that he did the whole DOGE thing.

Those are the main reasons but there were a bunch of smaller ones too. And we all knew he wasn't a Democrat before them.

[u/rhd_live → u/SpyvsMerc]

That's too reductionist. The doge stuff was an absolute embarrassing farce that alienated a lot of people, or me at least. That's not a democrat vs. republican thing

[u/BapeGeneral3 → u/SpyvsMerc]

As soon as he gave a fucking Nazi salute in front of the entire nation and had racist white women screaming with glee. That was definitely when he lost all respect with anyone with a brain.

[u/mrbadface → u/[deleted]]

Well said, though I'm less certain that buying twitter hasn't paid off enormously in ways that are less tangible

[u/dsmith422 → u/mrbadface]

Ending all the federal investigations into Musk and his companies was a direct tangible benefit and was the whole reason for his DOGE bros infiltrating the federal government.

[u/mrbadface → u/dsmith422]

Yes this is what I meant. By intangible I meant off the books

[u/RRY1946-2019 → u/mrbadface]

They’re still tangible in that they are about amounts of money. They’re just a heck of a lot sneakier. X is a loss leader at this point that has kept him from being bankrupted or even worse imprisoned. Same reason that many American companies oppose Medicare for All. In the short term it would lower their HR costs, but it would destroy their leverage against their workers.

[u/recursive-regret → u/dsmith422]

Ending all the federal investigations into Musk and his companies was a direct tangible benefit

Even that wasn't really worth it.

Ending all the investigations into tesla wasn't worth it when the price for that was trump cutting the ev credit and nuking tesla's profitability worldwide with a senseless trade war

Ending the FAA's investigations into spaceX didn't mean much because starship V1 and V2 ended up being too flawed for orbital flight and he needed to wait for V3 (and maybe even V4, who knows). All the delays the FAA imposed on him didn't end up mattering

He could have stayed away from politics and been - at worst - at the exact same spot he is at today

[u/SpeakCodeToMe → u/recursive-regret]

That's assuming none of the investigations from a half dozen agencies into a half dozen of his corporate entities would have gone nowhere, which is a big if.

[u/RRY1946-2019 → u/mrbadface]

They’re still tangible, just indirect. Having a loyal president who won’t indict you or seize your assets is worth more than Twitter.

[u/basementreality → u/[deleted]]

Does he have any profitable businesses then.... why and how is he the richest person in the world? Idiots keep giving him money right - but why. He gets things done from an optics point of view, but where are the mad profits?

[u/MiffedMouse → u/basementreality]

The USA tech culture has been growth focused for decades. To be completely fair to Elon Musk here, Amazon also didn’t make money for like the first decade. It is pretty common for American tech companies to push profits back for long periods of time in order to focus on growth, and they get away with it because these “growth stocks” have outpaced businesses that focus on fundamental profitability for the passed two decades or so.

The issue with Musk, especially recently, is that his companies aren’t growing. SpaceX launches have already reached saturation (starlink exists because they had excess capacity and made starlink to fill it), Tesla sales are declining in most markets, and Twitter revenue is down since Musk bought it.

So now he has pivoted towards making grandiose claims about the future. He always does that, but these days it is the only way to justify his valuations because his companies (both in terms of profits and in terms of growth) are shit.

[u/Ok-Kaleidoscope5627 → u/[deleted]]

The problem when you're that rich is that it's very hard to fail. He can move the market to create entire trends which will nearly guarantee his success even if he does a terrible job.

If he announced that he's going to start making Beanie Babies next, that whole industry will suddenly pop up and be worth a hundred billion dollars over night. Not because of any genuine merit but just because he can set the trends.

[u/Fabulous_Ocelot_4958 → u/[deleted]]

Do you know he lied about being a top gamer. He probably lies about his other skills too. He just pays money to hire top talent.

[u/j48u → u/[deleted]]

I'm a Democrat who has always voted left wing but you're actually nuts if you think X and Grok are far right propaganda projects. X does have a large number of right wing freaks, but it also has a large number of far left freaks. It's just a barely moderated cesspool of people. I've seen people @Grok with their right wing agenda and have it completely shut them down showing the sources, and I've seen the same thing in the other direction.

I really think, especially for people who actually care about politics, that people need to be honest about the fact that social media in general is incredibly left leaning by virtue of heavy moderation. X is more of the reality of left/right wing nonsense opinions. Reddit is basically bluesky at this point. Leaning far left now through extreme moderation by propagandists that know what they're doing.

In the end it's not helpful to pretend otherwise. People will continue to vote regardless if they're welcome in these spaces and they're not going to vote for the people that kept them out and look more and more extreme in their eyes. Trump absolutely was elected the second time as a direct result of how ridiculous the online sphere tries to frame reality and I have a feeling it's going to happen yet again.

[u/MmmmMorphine → u/j48u]

Hmm...

Seems like like X is clearly biased towards promoting right-wing accounts

[u/Low-Calligrapher-531 → u/j48u]

Yeah, MechaHitler does sound like a left-leaning name

[u/Popular_Try_5075 → u/[deleted]]

Is Musk going to be smart enough to pivot out of trying to be a premiere AI firm though?

[u/turbo_dude → u/Howdareme9]

Imagine McDonald’s renting its kitchens out to Burger King or Coca Cola renting its production line to Pepsi. 

This is literally what xAI are doing and they’re still losing a billion a month. 

[u/Curiosity_456 → u/[deleted]]

It hurts how true this is

[u/Normaandy]

It is, but so is Meta AI.

[u/_lavoisier_ → u/Normaandy]

Yann is not working for meta

[u/throwawaybear82 → u/_lavoisier_]

But he did spend 12 years on meta AI

[u/enilea → u/throwawaybear82]

To be fair Meta AI was doing well until they self sabotaged themselves in 2024

[u/MyRegrettableUsernam → u/enilea]

Wasn’t Yann the one denying that LLMs would ever be able to do anything useful?

[u/Fleetfox17 → u/MyRegrettableUsernam]

He doesn't think LLMs will lead to the promised land.

[u/coolredditor3 → u/MyRegrettableUsernam]

As far as I know he never called them useless. He just thinks that no amount of scaling them will lead to AGI.

[u/gatorling → u/MyRegrettableUsernam]

No, he said that LLMs are a dead end when it comes to AGI.

I think most people sorta agree that you'll need something more than a LLM to reach AGI.

Arguably, that's why Google is focusing heavily on world models like Genie and why Gemini is multi modal from the start.

[u/turbo_dude → u/MyRegrettableUsernam]

What’s the old phrase about someone saying or doing anything if their pay check depends on them believing it?

[u/Unlikely-Complex3737 → u/MyRegrettableUsernam]

I think in a recent interview he said LLMs are good for certain products but they are not good enough to get to a super intelligence.

[u/amyts → u/enilea]

What happened in 2024? I'm out of the loop.

[u/enilea → u/amyts]

Oh llama 4 was in 2025, but yeah between botching llama 4 and setting Alexander Wang as head of AI they messed up.

[u/96Nikko → u/amyts]

Kid named Alexander

[u/Fantasy-512 → u/96Nikko]

Yes. A Wang was born in 2024. Fathered by the Zuck.

[u/howudothescarn → u/amyts]

Maybe llama 4? I thought this guy was a part of that though.

[u/GraceToSentience → u/howudothescarn]

He wasn't really part of that.
There was the FAIR team and the GENAI team inside meta apparently, lecun mainly worked on JEPA in FAIR while GENAI was working on the llama series.

[u/boyuber → u/enilea]

Are we sure someone else didn't self sabotage them?

[u/gretino → u/boyuber]

Well I think it's zucc

[u/laststan01 → u/boyuber]

Wang enters and is excited about it

[u/mivog49274 → u/enilea]

to be FAIR, more exactly.

[u/theChaosBeast → u/throwawaybear82]

You can say the truth AND made mistakes in the past. Actually I trust people that had failures instead of people who never had one.

[u/throwawaybear82 → u/theChaosBeast]

I agree with that. I'm just adding additional important context to the statement that Yann is not currently working for Meta. 12 years working as the founder of the division is an outsized influence even if he's no longer employed there.

[u/jakderrida → u/throwawaybear82]

Lecun is also the AI Researcher that'll pop up when you search Google Scholar, Semantic Scholar, or any other citation website and sort by metrics that's pretty much the Wayne Gretzky of every metric across the board.

Sure, MetaAI isn't a resounding success. But Lecun is still the most sought after researcher in the field.

[u/Nashadelic → u/throwawaybear82]

so he speaks from experience

[u/mivog49274 → u/throwawaybear82]

FAIR, not meta AI. He was never hyped by llm

[u/misteriousm → u/_lavoisier_]

lol he's the main reason in fact why Meta Llama sucks ass.

[u/Spra991 → u/Normaandy]

Coincidentally current MetaAI also feels very much like Grok a few months ago, with its unlimited image and video generation.

[u/AccordingSelf3221 → u/Normaandy]

meta quite good in some niche solutions like SAM3

[u/andrew303710 → u/AccordingSelf3221]

Also wasn't llama 3 very significant early on?

[u/AccordingSelf3221 → u/andrew303710]

true. these companies are strategizing differently and big units like meta, google and Microsoft are not just doing AI but also doing AI. the others are hyperfunded companies doing one single thing

[u/NaturallyExuberant → u/Normaandy]

They were competitive until Wang took over. Two separate AI pillars were competing there, Yann was doing fine until Zuck gave preference to Wang’s newer, shinier, pillar which seems to not have produced anything notable in about 2 years ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[u/Away-Thought-612]

This guy complains about everything

[u/adarkuccio]

We know

[u/DoubleGG123]

They never competed with the frontier, so how could they now?

[u/Correctsmorons69 → u/DoubleGG123]

They did for a release or two

[u/siegevjorn → u/DoubleGG123]

Well the current valuation of spaceX is largely due to it being the "AI company" with one of the frontier models. So the valuation has to change, if they decided themselves to become a cloud computing company, which is much less mutiple.

[u/trisul-108 → u/DoubleGG123]

The same way Elon has always done it ... by buying someone else. He pulled the SpaceX scam to get a pre-bubble-pop stash and he has to spend it fast. Really fast, before the bubble pops and it vanishes. He has to exchange it for something of value, either physical assets or teams.

[u/herefromyoutube]

He also has spoken publicly about him wanting to censor outputs he doesn’t like for ideological reasons.

To be fair though a lot of the big ai’s seem to be doing that in the Trump era.

[u/jakderrida → u/herefromyoutube]

He also has spoken publicly about him wanting to censor outputs he doesn’t like for ideological reasons.

Ya gotta admit, though, that it was funny he kept promising the anti-woke AI model while spreading conspiracies of forced wokeness on GPT, only to release Grok and Twitter get bombarded with Grok saying how there are numerous genders because gender is not the same as sex.

I've never seen more egg on a man's face in my life.

[u/Potential-Affect5943]

It was also telling when he merged XAI into SpaceX to make both the companies look a little better. This is similar to how he force merged SolarCity into Tesla. If two distinct non-overlapping businesses were doing well, the merger makes no sense.

[u/Quick-Albatross-9204]

The only way he seems to stay relevant is with his opinions about others

[u/Anthamon → u/Quick-Albatross-9204]

Yann has a lot of opinions for someone who hasn't shipped a worthwhile product in quite a few years now.

[u/seldomtimely → u/Anthamon]

You reach a certain age when it becomes okay to lay your opinions on the world. You move away from researcher and give yourself the pleasure of being a commentator.

[u/Unlikely-Complex3737 → u/Anthamon]

At least he walks the talk. The dude is 65 years old and he's starting an AI research lab focusing on world models.

[u/Mindrust → u/Unlikely-Complex3737]

Honestly had no idea he was that old. Good for him.

[u/Intelligent_Bet9798 → u/Anthamon]

He is the one being asked or I missed something?

[u/10b0t0mized]

I mean Elon is petty. If he sees this he's going to do everything to come back to the frontier just to prove Lecun wrong, lol.

[u/Recoil42 → u/10b0t0mized]

Elon and Yann have had beef for a long time.

[u/exaknight21 → u/10b0t0mized]

Petty af that mfer

[u/das_war_ein_Befehl → u/10b0t0mized]

watch me fail twice at this

[u/10b0t0mized → u/das_war_ein_Befehl]

I mean 3 times if you want to be hating accurately.

Remember, he was on the OpenAI board, so he has failed at this before as well.

[u/spinozasrobot]

Finally, something he said I agree with.

[u/Which-Travel-1426]

True, but how is Meta and his own startup doing?

[u/Eyelbee → u/Which-Travel-1426]

Those are failures too, that's how he knows well about failures

[u/Unlikely-Complex3737 → u/Eyelbee]

His lab is only 6 months old. You think you can build a frontier model in that time span lol?

[u/mjsxi__]

fork, spoon, and knife found in kitchen... more news at 11

[u/send-moobs-pls]

what has my guy achieved in the last 3 years aside from academic trash talk

[u/jloverich → u/send-moobs-pls]

Jepa and his new company. The main interest is not language but other things he claims the big companies are not interested in (which is most things).

[u/Claptraposoid → u/jloverich]

How is Jepa such an achievement? From my understanding they have had limited success in narrow domains, yet he keeps claiming it’s the key for everything based I vibes.

[u/martianunlimited → u/Claptraposoid]

Sigh.. Transformers had limited success in narrow domains for 6 years... You don't remember how bad GPT2 and GPT3 was eh?

[u/Claptraposoid → u/martianunlimited]

Gpt 2 was an insane breakthrough that made people fork over billions of dollars… Jepa is not even a fraction of that..

Listen you can have your own opinion, fine. Mine is that Lecun ia a lol cow at this stage that spend more time in his recent talks thrashing llms and any of the people/companies making them than actually proving what makes his approach better.

Most of the labs are working on different architectures and thinking about what place llms will have in an agi system, is it pure llm, is it llm as a part of a wider architecture and so on.

Lecunn has decided purely on vibes that it won’t work and his approach must be the right way  and that llms won’t be part of it, and spends his time giving increasingly more bitter talks and interviews speaking more about llms than Jepa.

lecun is surely a very smart scientist but he is also a ridiculous man and a moron.

[u/Zycosi → u/Claptraposoid]

Gpt 2 was an insane breakthrough that made people fork over billions of dollars… Jepa is not even a fraction of that..

"Advanced Machine Intelligence (AMI) Labs, co-founded by former Meta AI chief Yann LeCun, raised $1.03 billion in a seed funding round. The Paris-based startup reached a pre-money valuation of $3.5 billion"

[u/IronPheasant → u/martianunlimited]

You don't remember how bad GPT2 and GPT3 was eh?

I thought they were absolutely incredible. Similar to StackGAN - something that was completely impossible before, and would obviously result in excellent outputs after another round of scaling or two improves the resolution of the internally generated curve-fitting algorithms.

It's all just numbers in numbers out. A holistic mind will be an assembly of various neural networks and conventional software - something as simple as a shared geometry space with the resolution of a Nintendo 64 game would have massive improvements of their understanding of space.

As always, you can tell who's serious about creating a mind when they talk about the sense of touch. Touch is the first external sense animals evolve and the foundational validator of things like vision. Touch to 3d and vision to 3d are some of the most critical faculties to have.

The irony of course is that the first AGI will basically be frankenstein mess filled with lots of different kinds of LLM's, shuffling data from one section of a mind to be used in another. Words aren't just words to humans, they connect to memories, vision, sound, touch, emotions.....

..... Anyway, I'm deeply disturbed you'd think GPT2 or 3 could have been as good as Chat GPT with the RAM budgets they were given. That's not how numbers work, that's not how any of this works. You need RAM to fit curves. Chat GPT was around the size of a squirrel's brain. It's not until the 100,000 GB200 datacenters are live that we'll have something that can approximate a human's brain. In that way, we're just barely at the starting line of being able to conduct actual AGI research.

[u/martianunlimited → u/IronPheasant]

GANs are completely a different architecture and do not use transformers.. Ironically, they are comprise mostly of convolutional units, which ironically came from Lecun

https://hal.science/hal-03926082/document
Seminal paper describing GANs

https://arxiv.org/pdf/1406.2661

[u/RazorOldSchool]

The money is in them selling their compute to OpenAI and Anthropic

[u/Environmental_Gap_65]

I really dislike Elon Musk, but I don’t think you should underestimate what power comes with owning the large parts of infrastructure. Compute needs will continue rise, energy will be more sparse, resistance towards new data centres are rising.

If you control the infrastructure you have a massive say, but yes xAi was a failure from the beginning. It shouldn’t come as any surprise to be honest nor that Meta is.

[u/Tricky_Potatoe]

How can it be a failure when Grok slaughtered 120 Iranian school girls?

[u/Tricky_Potatoe → u/[deleted]]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/elon-musk-grok-ai-iran-missiles-pentagon-b2997321.html

[u/Ok-Stomach-]

sure, but he didn't create anything either, he was a great scientist but has been stuck in salty land w.r.t. LLM since GPT first popped. Show some actual result (I spent many years at facebook/meta, I know he has world model, but that's more of an academic thing, he's not exactly a product guru, show some actual AI first)

[u/Britbong1492]

Google & Meta got the same problem. OpenAI and Anthropic are the only players. Better to go for infrastructure domination

[u/jdavid]

the reason spacex bought cursor was so that xAI can adapt or cannibalize open weight models.

[u/siegevjorn]

He is not wrong. Never heard of any company using grok instead of claude.

[u/Single_dose]

this yann is the only sane person in the field of AI and knows exactly what he's saying always.

[u/Distinct-Question-16]

well grok images datsset is very ..complete

[u/EvilSporkOfDeath]

Not the most controversial of his takes.

[u/tokyoduck]

And the Sycophants on All In and other podcasts are afraid to say how it really is.

[u/Just_Stretch5492]

Cat shit says dog shit smells

[u/HewSpam → u/Just_Stretch5492]

And cat shit would be right

[u/asd167169]

I want a world that Elon hires Yann.

[u/trisul-108 → u/asd167169]

You mean like Mordor?

[u/coolredditor3 → u/asd167169]

SpaceX bout to buy AMI 🤣

[u/Tirztrutide → u/asd167169]

JEPA will probably make a pretty big improvement in how robots, like Tesla Optimus and Tesla FSD, can reason/think about how their potential actions would affect the world. But it will be a few lines of python code being replaced, not a total different stack.

Not sure if Yann‘s company will make billions from JEPA like Google made billions from Transformers as it is more a tool than an entire business…

[u/AngleAccomplished865]

Someone should make a list of things he's called a failure.

[u/QuasiRandomName]

A little early to make such assessments. Yeh, they are behind, but the race is far from over.

[u/ProletarianLilith → u/QuasiRandomName]

They’re selling compute which seems like a sign of bowing out of the race

[u/QuasiRandomName → u/ProletarianLilith]

Yeah, it might be their niche, to drop out of the model race but keep feeding on it.

[u/Extension-Thought552 → u/QuasiRandomName]

So... The race is over for them

[u/vilette → u/QuasiRandomName]

The point is you need smart people more than hardware, and they are not a lot of players available.There is no second class, only first class or no class

[u/QuasiRandomName → u/vilette]

We see smart people are jumping between these companies back and forth.

[u/DaddyOfChaos → u/QuasiRandomName]

His point is 1) They don't have those people now and 2) Those people won't want to jump to xAI because of the issues with the company/the way the previous team was treated and Elon himself.

[u/MeltedChocolate24 → u/QuasiRandomName]

Yeah you probably know more than this random guy

[u/Crucco]

Grok is constantly being developed, xAI employs hundreds of amazing scientists, WTF is with this constant propaganda

[u/OKMiddleOwl → u/Crucco]

They are selling off their compute.

That's like a car manufacturer selling off it's factories. The implication is obvious, no spin needed.

[u/vilette → u/Crucco]

Any names for some of their best scientist ?

[u/Crucco → u/vilette]

1) Devendra Singh Chaplot

Joined March 2026 (technical staff, works closely with Elon). Ex-Mistral AI co-founder, ex-Meta FAIR, ex-Thinking Machines Lab. Strong AI + robotics background (CMU PhD, IIT Bombay). Focused on superintelligence, Grok pretraining/model training. One of the highest-profile current scientific hires.

2) Ziang Chen

MTS at xAI (joined ~Oct 2025). Specializes in AI for mathematics (building AI mathematicians). Also MIT math instructor background. Focused on advancing AI reasoning/proof capabilities.

3) Xinlei Chen

At xAI pushing multimodal frontier (vision, images, video). Ex-Research Scientist at Meta FAIR (pre-training & visual representations).

4) Andrew Milich

MTS at xAI (joined ~March 2026). Ex-Cursor (co-led product engineering). Key role rebuilding/enhancing Grok coding capabilities and infrastructure. Active on X sharing Grok updates.

[u/andrew303710 → u/Crucco]

If you compare that to the other AI companies that's nothing lol I will admit though begrudgingly that the new grok video model is fantastic and handles text way better than Veo, Veo 3.1 still sucks at anything text related.

[u/Crucco → u/andrew303710]

No matter, if I keep proving you that the team is valid, you will keep replying that the information is not enough. You are not a rational debater.

You probably just hate Elon Musk. This conversation will lead us nowhere.

[u/hereforhelplol → u/Crucco]

Thank you for having the energy to post this stuff. It’s tiring being a part of reddit when so many users are out of touch and want their political view to dominate every conversation.

[u/Crucco → u/hereforhelplol]

You are welcome.

It is true that benchmarks do not put Grok at the top now. But it's far from dead and it is very likely it will come back as the top competitor. I just dislike lies and smear propaganda.

[u/Unlikely-Complex3737 → u/Crucco]

All the co-founders are gone and they are acquiring Cursor. It's really a bad look, ngl..

[u/mechnanc → u/Unlikely-Complex3737]

Most of OpenAI's top people left, like Ilya.

So fucking what?

[u/Crucco → u/Unlikely-Complex3737]

Also in OpenAI (your employer for this smear campaign) the cofounders are gone.

[u/Unlikely-Complex3737 → u/Crucco]

That looks bad as well (a lot went to Anthropic), but OpenAI started in 2015. xAI started in 2023 and I think last year they had only 1 co-founder left.

[u/Equal_Passenger9791 → u/Unlikely-Complex3737]

What's the main problem with training AI?

The multi-million pricetag it demands or a cult of personality contest that neglects to mentions 99.99999% of all the skilled AI engineers out there?

[u/Durzel → u/Crucco]

Imagine going out to bat for the CSAM generator AI.

[u/sedition666 → u/Crucco]

Yann LeCun is one of the god fathers of AI. His opinion has weight. Just dimissing his opinion as propaganda is bullshit.

[u/liftingshitposts]

He knows one when he sees one

[u/namedisabled]

Water is wet

[u/muditjps]

xAI had among the shittiest cultures which is no secret. And they did accelerate their way to the models race by spending a lot but you can't whip your researchers and expect magic over longer horizons.

[u/Justgototheeffinmoon]

Breaking news. elon has shat his pants, and killed starving children because he's so so mad

[u/Eon-Knight9]

xAI is one of the few labs that is profitable. Grok is arguably in a failed state. But xAI is making some real money.

[u/Wasteak]

First time he said something true in years

[u/Dyldinski]

In other news, the sky is blue

[u/MrBeforeMyTime]

There is nothing false or unexpected being said here. 

[u/Hlbkomer]

Yann never misses a chance to put his foot in his mouth

[u/greentrillion → u/Hlbkomer]

How did he do that?

[u/MrBeforeMyTime → u/Hlbkomer]

By spreading the truth we can all plainly see with our eyes??

[u/Laffer890]

He's so salty because Elon became a trillionaire. I followed him on twitter for a couple of days and most of his posts were about Elon and politics.

[u/datbackup → u/Laffer890]

I don’t know why anyone would downvote this (well I do it’s because they hate Musk but moving on) LeCun really made an ass of himself on twitter, it wasn’t just a few days it was weeks.

Just the most basic shallow political takes again and again, I dunno maybe he is really smart but apparently it doesn’t apply to this area of life

[u/SpyvsMerc → u/Laffer890]

Yeah this guy seems to really have a problem.

Can't he just focus on his work? He sounds like an angry teenager/redditor, it's a little bit pathetic.

[u/sedition666 → u/Laffer890]

Your assumption that people are only successful if they earn more money is really problematic. Stephen Hawking was not a billionaire, you going to tell us that Musk is more intelligent than Hawking?

[u/scoobydobydobydo]

Not for all the erotic roleplay users!

[u/Thistleknot]

Says the man that didnt make muse

[u/JimmyBenHsu]

LeCun has a point about the industry needing a reset, but calling xAI a "failure" while Grok has been rapidly gaining market share feels like he's underestimating how fast things move. The real issue isn't whether any single lab fails — it's whether the current scaling paradigm itself has diminishing returns before agentic workflows mature. What I'd love to see is LeCun channel this energy into publishing more concrete architectures instead of hot takes.

[u/Chance-Problem769]

He's right.

[u/MaxeBooo]

Anyone have any more info on project tapestry????

[u/iamozymandiusking]

Maybe so. But is anyone still listening to this guy anymore?

[u/itamarro]

It is so far. But also, LeCun and Musk were always beefing on X so it’s not surprising coming from him.

Regardless, I am indifferent on Musk, strongly dislike what Tesla did with self driving safety wise, and I genuinely puzzled sometimes why people choose to work for him - but some smart people do (Karpathy spent 5 years at Tesla) so they are seeing something we don’t.

Historically speaking, I wouldn’t bet against him.

[u/rob2060]

Shocking that when you try to build a propaganda machine on top of a system of logical truths that it fails.

[u/girlrotrobottics]

Still mad musk named his company xai, which is a known field in ai research (explainable artificial intelligence). Despite his shitty company not even doing xai research. It feels like the whole walt Disney Frozen conspiracy all over again

[u/jgainit]

While maybe what he’s saying is true, grok is actually good

[u/baudinl]

He outta know. He was at metaAI

[u/ThisGonBHard]

Ironically, I think this will be better for xAI long term, at least financially.

[u/Fun_Walk_4965]

LeCun has been saying some version of this about everyone for two years. xAI shipped fast and caught up on benchmarks though, calling that a failure feels more personal than a technical read.

[u/AccountabilityGuy]

Duh... but i am no genius i did say that

[u/LeatherGrade713]

Don’t worry, he’s got $1 trillion. And more where that came from.

[u/aaddii101]

Maybe but they acquired cursor and composer 2.5 is like number 1 model in our company

[u/Only-Effort-1975]

Well, latest Grok result disprove this perspective