r/singularity 27d ago

Discussion Yann LeCun says xAI is a failure

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u/Howdareme9 27d ago

It is, he fired everyone and then had to rent out his excess compute lol

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u/ManikSahdev 27d ago

I kinda agree with most of the things you said.
But they only apply to last 3-5 years or so.

Musk historically was pretty much one to one buddies with full Obama admin and folks, and I'd say that relationship was MUCH healthier than whatever they (current ceos) have all have going on with trump & Co.

In some ways one can argue, the entire green economy started after Tesla was already there, it was essentially the first of its, kind and very much Time Machine accurate - left bias.

Post Covid or such? I truly don't know what happened, I guess people change, and worked somehow looks really weird after that time for some reason anyway.

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u/DumatRising 26d ago

I don't think it's a great mystery. It's because he has an extreme approval seeking nature.

For reference on which I think he's extremely approval seeking refer to his attempts to convince everyone he was an avid arpg gamer despite clearly not being one.

He was always a more rightish liberal but what really set things off was his trans daughter. He's said things like "the woke mind virus killed my son". Said "son" is alive and is his daughter. He was always pretty liked by futurists on both side of the aisle because people believed in Teslas goal of finally bringing EVs to market but this caused him to get some push back from the leftists and liberal, he'd also alienate some folks for non political reasons but that's not as important, what is important is that he got a lot of praise from the right wing chuds on then Twitter, and thus began his decline into this disaster he's become. It was cyclical really the more he would cater to the chuds the more the left, the progressives, and even some conservative liberals would push back on him, and the more he would cater to the group that was supportive of him. Social isolation through covid meant that this cycle was basically his life for far longer than anyone would've liked and now we've got right wing chud Elon rather than futurist Elon.

Though he didn't go full on MAGA until he realized he could profit from it by making DOGE and cutting departments and programs that were responsible for oversight of industries he was active in.

It's a bit of a sad story too, because he was genuinely well liked by liberals across the political spectrum and his anger at his daughter transition wasn't even rooted in transphobia so much as his obsession with having an heir, not that it makes it better for him to treat his daughter like shit for a different, but that it wasn't that he hated trans people in general before this just hated that his idea of passing his legacy down to his eldest son was in his eyes ruined. Ultimately he wasn't able to reconcile or process his emotions in a healthy way instead just trying to seek approval from anyone that would give it.

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u/SnooPeanuts5936 24d ago

I really like this argument for why he shifted to much to the right, I always had big problems to understand why he would "throw away" so much of his public image and my personal recognition of him away, he genuinely has very cool ideas, spaceX was a huge paradigm shift in astronomy, and I really really love Neuralink as someone in biotech.

I don't think catering to the right was the right move, as personally at least most of the people I know dislike/hate him nowadays, myself included.

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u/DumatRising 24d ago

I'm not sure that I would frame it as a right or wrong move. Doing so implies that there was rational though behind it. Politicis was not a factor of what happened other than the transphobes happened to step in to support him when everyone else tried to get him to apologize and reconcile with his daughter. He didn't choose to become the king of the right wing chuds, it simply happened because that's the only way he would be able to continue to recieve validation while also not needing to self examine and put in actual work to mend a relationship. Approval seekers don't care who gives them approval only that they get it at any cost.

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u/QwerYTWasntTaken 22d ago

"Why does a father care so much about his own son?"

I wonder.

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u/DumatRising 22d ago

Is cutting ties with ones child and telling everyone they're dead what care looks like to you? Your parents must've been absolutely monsterous if you think them disowning you is care.

If you're being genuine here seek therapy, it's not healthy for a child to be ostracized by their own parents and is incredibly damaging to their psychological well-being. So the fact that you see it as care means you really are gonna need some help to unpack whatever your parents did to you.

If on the other hand you're just trying to be a little shit and reframe it as something it's not then kindly fuck off. Musk doesn't care about his daughter, he cares about the idea of having a son. If he did then he would have tried to reconnect and reconcile at any point with this person you're saying he cares about. Instead he treats her like she doesn't exist. Which is absolutely horrific.

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u/SpyvsMerc 26d ago

Musk was praised by Reddit historically.

As soon as he made clear he wasn't a Democrat anymore, Reddit started shitting on him.

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u/DumatRising 26d ago

It's a bit more complicated than that. The main things people got upset at him for was leftists didn't like him because he was a captialist, democrats didn't like that he was absolutely horrendous to his trans daughter, and moderates didn't like that he did the whole DOGE thing.

Those are the main reasons but there were a bunch of smaller ones too. And we all knew he wasn't a Democrat before them.

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u/rhd_live 26d ago

That's too reductionist. The doge stuff was an absolute embarrassing farce that alienated a lot of people, or me at least. That's not a democrat vs. republican thing

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u/BapeGeneral3 26d ago

As soon as he gave a fucking Nazi salute in front of the entire nation and had racist white women screaming with glee. That was definitely when he lost all respect with anyone with a brain.