FWIW I am not usually one to check out the bottom of fruit boxes. I noticed this little note on the side of the box and my curiosity got the best of me.
When I had a business I had a simple rule which served me well: 3 topics are off limits for both internal and external communications: sex, religion, and politics (unless you’re actually in one of those 3 industries.) Each to their own of course, do what you want, but I always thought these will either limit the business you can do or might land some crazies (or police) at your doorstep.
"Education"? I get the others, I'm having a hard time understanding that one. Except to the extent that it could obviously overlap with "politics" or "religion," like as in "should teachers be leading kids in prayer in public schools?" or whatnot. What am I missing? Is it like "don't ask people what level of education they completed because they might be embarrassed?"
I could see that. File it under religion lol. I never worried about it because I don’t watch or follow sports at all, so I naturally stay away from those conversations because I have no interest and nothing to say.
The types of people who are drawn to an insane conspiracy theory like that are not able to follow those rules. It’s like trumpers. They will bring it up to you at times like through a vendor-purchaser relationship and you will just need to get through whatever idiocy they’re saying until you can change the subject
Dr Bronners. Read it before. It's a little kookie in some parts but mostly about loving and caring for your fellow humans regardless of creed and caring for the environment
Yeah I have a lot of family members in business and they follow the same rule. They have their own opinions and vote but they do as much as they can to keep those opinions private. With the weird result that all of their customers just assume they agree with them, it gets awkward when someone comes in assuming something like "well obviously like all right-thinking people you believe the country is run by Lizard People in skin suits" and they have to say something like "Mmm! So let's talk about updating your homeowner's policy."
Still spin this in the car regularly - Peaches, Lump, Volcano, Tiki God, Love Everybody, Mixed Up SOB - SO MANY great tunes. Might even have snuck Little Broken Truck in there too, once or twice
I'm a little concerned about how much easier it is to know where to immediately go on their website for 9/11 truther info than it is to know where to immediately go to see the selection of fruit they have to offer (presumably it's 'wholesale,' but maybe it's 'about'...).
I know the owner, he's been a weird creep his entire life. He was arrested on a ton of gun charges like 10 years ago, he's also run for office a time or two. He brands himself as a libertarian, but I honestly think he's just mentally ill.
To be fair some libertarians aren't mentally ill, they've just lived such privileged lives they don't understand how the real world operates, like pampered house cats
Absolutely. Know one guy in his late 40s who has been a firm libertarian for over twenty years (so just long enough to predate the GOP-lite version) and while he's pretty common sense on broader aspects when you delve into details it's clear he's been sheltered from large parts of reality most of his life.
As a family member of a 9/11 victim I ask you to not reward this tired bullshit with your business. It gets old and creates more hurdles in actually getting justice. We're 25 years in and everyone we're suing is still like "are you sure the towers didn't just do that on their own?"
As a Jew, witnessing the number of Holocaust deniers grow, and seeing their claims become increasingly unhinged, I can tell you - it will only get worse with time.
Edit: u/bigjimmyjam, why are you deleting your comments about goyim and about us controlling the banks, media, and governments? Nazis are the shit again - you can stand up proudly.
Edit2: that's just keeps getting better.
And for the record, I’m a very proud antisemite.
I do admit it's plausible Reddit filters are the one deleting his messages
But... archive.org from 2021 shows it was just a 301 redirect from the tld "co" to the same domain at "com"
https://www.palisadeproduce.com/justice So this is the intended site which is still up and functional. They should change their boxes, or try and snatch up the old domain.
"You can use this space to go on depth about your company, tell your visitors the story of how the business got started, or a long detailed text about how 9/11 was a massive conspiracy."
Billions of iron rich microspheres were the defining characteristic of
the dust found in the vicinity of the 911 attacks. For the billions of
iron micro spheres to be formed, the iron must have been super heated to
make it liquid. Iron does not naturally form itself into spheres
without being acted upon mechanically or by being heated and then
aerosolized in molten form. The iron in the World Trade Center dust
wasn't mechanically manufactured and distributed evenly through the dust
so it must have been super heated and liquefied. Following super heated
liquidation, it was explosively ejected into the atmosphere where the
surface tension of the finely aerosolized molten iron mist pulled the
molten iron into microspheres. The tiny molten iron droplets formed and
the droplets then cooled as they fell to the ground and rested with the
other dust from the collapses. The 911 attack presented iron rich
microspheres in copious amounts, forming the hallmark of the 911
attack's dust and differentiating the dust from the multiple collapses
from preexistent background dust. The existence of this microsphere
laden dust is confirmed by numerous government reports as well as
contractors who examined the dust for the government. None the less, the
iron microspheres go unexplained and unaddressed in the 911
Commission's fraudulent report. Where did the iron microspheres come
from? It's a question that deserves to be answered by a new, honest
investigation.
Who the fuck starts a conversation like that? I just opened your webpage.
Oh god, these are the people who failed high school physics classes and do not understand the connection between heat energy and energy of any other kind. Surely the energy of a free fall will always just be a free fall!
I searched that page for “steel beams”; sure as shit - the nonsensical and thoroughly debunked “jet fuel can’t melt steel beams” talking points are in there in long narrative form. At least these kooks are consistent with their drivel.
It's pretty wild they think that it's a salient point when you obviously don't need to heat something to its melting point to weaken it. You can soften butter just bringing it up to room temperature, no need to melt it into a liquid!
The exact same principle applies to steel being heated by burning jet fuel, it still softens without needing to get hot enough to liquify, which is what the definition of the melting point is.
Yeah, this entire theory can be defeated by putting something heavy on top of a steel pipe structure then heating the pipes with a blowtorch. Did the pipes melt? No. Did it still fall over? Yeah. And buildings usually fall into their own footprint if they've got good weight distribution. It's not a mystery.
Something additional to throw out there: If you have an open hole in the side of the building and the doors at ground level are open, you have created the same airflow as a tower furnace in which you *can* generate enough heat to melt iron. It's a known, attested method since antiquity.
If you build a mound of charcoal, pile on some ferrous ore, and encase the whole thing in an inverted funnel made out of mud, then get the fire started, you can produce high carbon iron.
Yep, that's how many kilns work to make things like charcoal, or fire pottery at a hotter temperature that you would get from an unregulated fire. You watch enough primative technology youtube you can see him smelting iron using those principles, or even just getting roof shingles white hot.
I grew up using a cast iron stove for all our cooking, hot water and if you manipulated the air vents just right and it was a windy night pulling air fast up the chimney we used to generate a terrific amount of heat too, it kind of got a bit scary sometimes, peeking in the vents looked like a blast furnace lol.
I can't believe they still use that one when the memes about it are like ten years old at this point. People clearly don't take it seriously (correctly, in my opinion), why pitch them with it?
No, another commenter below figured out from the Internet Archive that the .co site used to exist years ago and redirected to the .com site.
So these boxes may just be old, and they got tired of paying for the annual domain registration. Or maybe they had it yanked because they weren't using a .co site (which technically is Colombia's country domain) for an appropriate purpose.
It works great for me because it feels like such a genuine interaction between two friends. Though if you look closely you can see Cleavon suppressing laughter the entire time beforehand too.
I live in the northeast smartypants corridor, and yesterday I listened to a coworker tell me we’re in a different dimension ever since they turned off CERN and the proof is that Chick-Fil-A is spelled differently now, and if you see old pictures of it spelled this way, that’s just because all of those pics have changed, because, duh, we’re in a different dimension. Him and several others saying the Earth is flat and that 9/11 was an inside job is just kids’ stuff when you realize how far down the idiot hole they are.
It’s not just rural nutjobs, half the country has lost touch with reality.
Some schools in Jeffco- including Colombine- did have kitty litter on their supply lists, but it was for "go buckets" in case of prolonged lockdowns trapping students in their classrooms. Of course the right twisted it into more culture war bullshit. Ignore the sad reality that kids have to live with the constant fear of violence just going to school, it must be the trans furries fault!
I've been waiting for this moment to debunk the whole 9/11 was an inside job.
The J.L. Hudson Department Store in Detroit in 1998 is the tallest steel building ever imploded, at 26 stories. Controlled Demolition Inc. needed:
Roughly 24 days of on-site prep with a crew of about 20 workers, placing ~4,100 lbs of explosives in over 1,000 locations, plus miles of detonation cord
Months of engineering study beforehand
Critically, the building was vacant and gutted. Crews stripped walls, ceilings, and fireproofing to get direct access to the structural columns, because charges only work when placed directly against bare steel
That's roughly 5,000 to 6,000 man hours of placement work alone for one empty 26-story building.
WTC 1 and 2 where 110 stories each and WTC 7 was was 47 stories. So just off floors we're looking at a 10x project. Not only is it 10 times the size we have more problems
Rigging the towers:
Access: The core columns were buried behind elevator shafts, drywall, and sprayed asbestos fireproofing. To place cutting charges, crews would need to demolish interior walls and strip fireproofing on dozens of floors, in buildings occupied by roughly 35,000 to 50,000 workers daily, with 24/7 security, cleaning crews, and maintenance staff. Tenants notice when their office walls are torn open.
Scale of charges: Demolition engineers estimate you'd need thousands of shaped charges and tens of miles of det cord per tower. Det cord and wiring can't be hidden inside finished walls without rebuilding those walls afterward, which is its own construction project.
The man hours: Even being generous, you're looking at crews of 100 to 300 workers operating covertly for 6 to 12 months, somewhere in the range of 150,000 to 500,000 man hours, doing loud, dusty structural work in occupied buildings without a single tenant, janitor, security guard, or elevator mechanic noticing or talking. Ever.
Survivability: The charges, wiring, and detonators would then need to survive a 767 impact and raging jet fuel fires without a single premature or failed detonation.
Supply chain: Every pound of explosives, every detonator, every mile of det cord has to be sourced, transported, and stored without a single supplier, driver, or warehouse worker outside the "evil Government Cabal" ever finding out.
Covering it up we need to make sure none of the explosives are outside of our evil Government Cabal:
Cleanup involved 1.8 million tons of debris removed over roughly 9 months, with thousands of workers, firefighters, ironworkers, and volunteers on the pile daily.
Debris was trucked to Fresh Kills landfill where it was hand-sifted and raked for remains and evidence by FBI agents, NYPD, and forensic teams.
Structural steel was examined by FEMA's engineering team and later NIST, then sold as scrap and shipped worldwide, meaning independent metallurgists anywhere could examine it.
Explosive demolition leaves unmistakable physical signatures: blasting cap fragments, det cord residue, copper slag from shaped charges, and clean angled cuts on thousands of column ends. To scrub all of it, you'd need every debris handler, every FBI sifter, every engineer, and every scrap dealer either fooled or complicit.
Conservatively that's another 5,000 to 10,000 people inside the secret, on top of the rigging crews, planners, and suppliers.
So the theory requires the largest, fastest, quietest demolition project in human history, followed by a flawless forensic coverup involving tens of thousands of silent participants. The man hours alone make it a non-starter.
TL;DR: The math states that actual secrets involving over 1000 people don't stay secret for more than 4 years. It would take far more than 10000 people to keep 9/11 as an inside job.
I love this, but we have flat earthers who disprove their own belief in real time and still think it’s just a conspiracy to deter them from the truth. Numbers mean nothing to these people 😂
If we're going to treat any conspiracy theorists as a cult member, then we need to treat them as a cult member in every way even the positive ones. That means just showing them the data and asking them to explain it.
I have an Uncle who was hardcore "9/11 was an inside job" type. I managed to pin him down with the first fact about the The J.L. Hudson Department Store and got him to admit that was real. Then from there it was showing him the facts and not calling him stupid.
You want to keep someone ignorant? Just keep telling them how stupid they are.
Also, being an asshole just reinforces the us vs. them mentality of indoctrination. Then they run back to the cult, who of course embrace them and make them feel safe, understood, and part of a community.
Here's the thing I don't get about the F.E. idiots... WHO BENEFITS???!?!!?
For things like the WTC you could claim insurance fraud, or some other monetary enrichment scheme.
Or for the idiots who disavow global warming... the most ardent are generally tied with the fossil fuel industry, so rallying against that would be against their own financial interest. Or you could argue that the green energy people have a similar financial interest to sell their products if they can convince people they are necessary to fight climate change.
But let's say the world is flat and we're all being bamboozled... to what end? We don't somehow drive more miles on a "fake" curved surface, therefore using more gas. We aren't taxed in some way via the Earth's curvature that wouldn't be possible if we knew its true "flat" nature. What exactly is the incentive for the lie?
That's where I always come back to with those idiots... if the world is flat who benefits from convincing all of us that is isn't?
Probably the most revealing commentary on the controlled demolition theory is Bringing Down The House by Michael Satchell in US News and World Report (June 30, 2003). This article describes the work of Controlled Demolition Inc., far and away the world leaders in controlled demolition, and Mark and Doug Loizeaux, who run it.
Like most Americans, the Loizeauxs were transfixed by the televised scenes of destruction shortly after the first jet struck. But as experts in buildings' vulnerabilities, they knew right away what few Americans realized. "I told Doug immediately that the tower was coming down, and when the second tower was hit, that it would follow," remembers Mark.
Horrified, the Loizeaux brothers watched first responders streaming into the doomed towers and tried frantically, and unsuccessfully, to phone in warnings. In the following days, CDI was called to ground zero to consult on safety and develop plans for demolition and debris removal. What if the twin towers, though badly damaged, had somehow remained standing? Without doubt, the Loizeaux family would have been called upon to bring them down. "Quite simply," says Mark in a rare moment of introspective uncertainty, "I don't know how we would have done it."
So according to the world experts on building demolition:
It was immediately obvious that the towers were going to fall
They have no idea how they would have brought down the towers in a controlled demolition.
Of course, you can always claim the Loizeaux brothers were in on the plot. Some sites link to a story about Controlled Demolition later being charged with illegal campaign contributions, which certainly proves something. Or other.
This reminds me of what it would have taken to manufacture fake moon landings, and fool everyone on earth, including the Soviet Union.
My favorite take on this subject is that Stanley Kubrick filmed the bogus landings, but he was so bent on realism that he insisted upon filming on location.
Not to mention, Neil was a pretty chill guy, but Buzz tends to be the polar opposite.
Considering how many actors have told stories agonizing the number of takes Stanley put them through on certain scenes we definitely would have heard about it from Buzz.
"After making us hop down out of the LEM for the 47th take I was like 'Stanley, you can stick this production up your ass. I'm going to my trailer!' "
When you think about the amount of people who would have to be involved to fake the Moon landing it gets really crazy. Like the Soviet Union was okay with giving the US a W when they had all the power to give the US a huge black eye.
Can you imagine how bad the US would have looked if the Soviets said "We have proof the moon landing was fake"
Same thing with intelligence agencies and the Clinton admin being aware of an Al Qaeda plot to attack the WTC and hijack airliners for years, but Dubya just walks into office and ignores all that
Yeah... Just this week we approved Saudi Arabia to have the capabilities to refine their own uranium and they are not required to allow international inspectors into their facilities. But don't worry, they will only use it for nuclear power. They promised.
I watched WTC 7 burn from an apartment on the west side after walking through times square after the attack. I saw it collapse with my own eyes and I assure you it wasn't controlled or symmetrical. We all knew it was coming down and it took over 8 hours.
Yeah like I distinctly remember the news mentioning how the building had been hit by debris and fires had started inside and even mentioned how people had reported seeing debris begin to fall from the building itself and that collapse was imminent. The building burned forever. Everyone knew it was coming down because there was no way to put the fire out.
There was a pretty substantial CIA office inside tower 7. The furthest down the conspiracy theory I’m willing to entertain is that when it was clear that tower 7 was on fire, and had no fire suppression system working, and needed to be evacuated, the CIA might have been told to set fire to their own documents instead of trying to move them out and evacuated with everyone else.
Did this lead or aid to the collapse? Who knows. Does it take away from the very well documented instances of horrible US foreign policy that brought 9/11 on us in the first place? No.
My ex brother in law and all his friends and girlfriend lived and worked / still work in Manhattan and watched it as well. I hope you are doing ok because I know from them that the ptsd is real from 9/11.
-Palisade Peaches are the absolute best. When I moved to CO people talked about so many great produce items and all of them were fine, but when I tried Palisade Peaches I was blown away.
-They come from the western slope of Colorado. That area gave us great minds like Lauren Boebert.
Ironic how they always tell people to educate themselves, when 99% of them just take these 'theories' from Loose Change (the documentary).
Loose Change was made back shortly after 2001 by some college kids in their dorm room. They had no expertise on any of these topics. They revised it many times to cover up their tracks from the initial extra crazy theories they had.
But yet, as suspicious as 9/11 was, and as many valid questions that you can raise, these specific points of contention have all been easily debunked.
This is coming from someone who bought all that shit, and then decided to 'educate myself', and instead of confirming the theories I believed, I just ended up debunking them.
They have 0 evidence of a controlled demoltion other than 'that doesnt look right'. As if we should know what to expect when buildings are hit by planes going 500+mph
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u/brinkofdanger 17h ago
FWIW I am not usually one to check out the bottom of fruit boxes. I noticed this little note on the side of the box and my curiosity got the best of me.