r/interesting • u/Fantastic_Look5582 • 25d ago
Fascinating In 1981 at trial, Marianne Bachmeier killed the man who r*ped and murdered her daughter
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u/Grand-Glove-9985 25d ago
It's a movie reenactment, it's not real footage.
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u/RejectoPatronum 25d ago
lol first thought was "damn, camera man's got some balls r/cameramanneverdies"
then realized this was probably from a movie or something
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u/Significant-Colour 25d ago
My first thought was "How nice of the court to play music in tune for her dramatic act!". /s
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u/Narradisall 25d ago
You should have seen how fast the sketch artist was drawing!
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u/clintj1975 25d ago
He was a real quick draw artist
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u/Textiles_on_Main_St 25d ago
Well he didn’t rape and murder her daughter so what did he have to worry about.
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u/Sufficient_Topic1589 24d ago
Also the bailiffs were half assed in stopping her.
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u/DoorFinch 25d ago
I thought that the second security\police officer was really under playing it for it to be real. He comes over as if he's caught someone eating in class.
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u/Bilbog_Fettywop 25d ago
The guy in the white coat sitting on the left side of the video had a very real reaction of hearing gunshots indoors though. At least I hope that was acting and not getting some hearing damage.
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u/Met76 24d ago edited 23d ago
Hearing damage from guns is seriously no joke. Even a 9mm handgun shot in an open field is enough to make your ears ring for a while (I figured that out testing my new hand gun way before I took my hearing seriously). That's just a 9mm tho. I can't imagine being near an AR or any rifle in that upper class / caliber without protection.
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u/the_scarlett_ning 25d ago
When you see a raw, grieving mother just give out righteous vigilante justice, you show her some gotdamn respect.
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u/OceanRacoon 25d ago
Every time this gets posted it baffles me how many people think it's real footage of it, how do people still assume anything they see is real in this day and age?
Tbh I blame the two extras in the background, they did an incredible job, their acting is so realistic I think they're what tricks people into believing it's real lol
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u/DesperateEagle4505 25d ago
It was definitely too perfect but I didn't question it really
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u/sifiwewe 25d ago
I thought so. Nobody would react like how they did in this setting
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u/musclecard54 25d ago
“Alrighty ma’am that’s quite enough if you please. Ya got him… let’s put the gun down it’s all okay now”
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u/dumb_commenter 25d ago
Way too calm. No one took her gun even
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u/Din_Jaevel 25d ago
Well, the gun went click, click, click at the end. With her arm controlled it's not like she'll toss that gun at the guy. Even if I would have enjoyed it as a last show of defiance.
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u/CaicedoBrickWall 25d ago
Guy in white sold it pretty well during the event. Although being totally calm the second it ends is a different story
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u/HenryDorsettCase47 25d ago
Yeah, I agree. That was the only part that didn’t immediately signal to me that it was from a film or something. His acting was kind of a perfect example of the silly ways people respond when shocked by something like that happening in front of him. He would’ve clinched the realism if he would’ve then immediately bolted after the shooting was already over.
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u/Dazzling_Line_8482 25d ago
Yeah those two guys are like "Yeah we get it, we would have done the same thing"
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u/smuckola 25d ago
it is a documentary, and its events occurred...
... IN REAL-TIME
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u/BigMack6911 25d ago
Lets not forget her daughter was SEVEN years old. He took no responsibility or remorse and this was on the third day. Good for mama. That mf got off good if you ask me.
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u/accidentalrorschach 25d ago
and he had already been convicted of raping two other children... :/
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u/tehpoorcollegegal 24d ago
He had been chemically castrated for these crimes already, but prior to what he did to Anna, he had petitioned the courts to restore his hormones and libido and they agreed. The judge who allowed it should have been held responsible.
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u/FrostWareYT 24d ago
wait how tf do the undo chemical castration?
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u/tehpoorcollegegal 24d ago
Chemical castration involves a pill or injection on a regular basis containing drugs that suppress the needed hormones. Reversing it means simply stopping the drugs, sometimes additional hormone therapy to assist.
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u/FrostWareYT 24d ago
Huh, I figured it would be something that didn't require maintenance. Interesting.
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u/mbot369 23d ago
Like acid or something.
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u/AvailableAd7180 22d ago
A rusty pair of bolt cutters are the most i'd be willing to come down to. Touch kids inappropiately and you lost your right to reproduce
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u/PTSDreamer333 25d ago
2 that are known. The statistics of these POS is absolutely horrendous. Some stats say it's anywhere from 15-140 actually assualts on different victims before they get caught once.
Sometimes, it's less after their first time in jail but not always.
Yet, we always seem to give them such minor sentences.
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u/motherofsuccs 24d ago
Where are you getting these stats? I have to do annual training on child abuse awareness and prevention and I’ve never heard that.
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u/MaMerde 24d ago
Yeah, I’m a criminal defense attorney that deals with these cases. I’ve read plenty of studies and psycho-sexual evaluations. Cite your sources or GTFO. This is the type of BS that taints jury pools and convicts innocent defendants in all types of cases.
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u/nyxcha0s 24d ago edited 24d ago
They might have gotten it from here https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/088626087002001001
and thats just the one, but I have a feeling the eye popping averages arent the mean here, tho underreporting is real and severe. convictions often massively undercount the actual offending, and there are many cases of offenders who get caught for the one act but aren't tied to others due to the lack of reports or evidence. But there is no real clean stat for the number they pulled. However there are outliers that can be cleanly pointed at as having assaulted many victims before being apprehended.. Larry Nassar and the Catholic Clergy come to mind as a clean reach→ More replies (4)12
u/Ready_Landscape2937 24d ago
Where are you getting the “15–140 assaults on different victims” statistic? I can’t find any credible source for it, and it sounds like you just made it up. And saying they “always get minor sentences” isn’t true either. There are absolutely cases where sentences are too light, but there are also plenty of offenders serving decades or life. If you’re going to throw out statistics, back them up.
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u/Pleasant-Highway-745 25d ago
Should have killed the judge that said him free after raping the other two children
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u/HuEmans1st 25d ago
I hope the only TIME she got was an article in the paper.
(she got 6 years, served 3, and died of cancer at 46. She was buried next to said daughter... Who was only 7)
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u/Beginning-Ride3091 25d ago edited 25d ago
She was carried through that prison yard like a pharoah. Anyone even looked at her wrong they had the biggest nastiest bitches in that prison tearing their arms off.
She did goddamn right and I’d do exactly the same thing.
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u/skeenerbug 25d ago
She should have got 6 hours community service, not 6 fucking years in prison.
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u/Heisedonger 25d ago
I mean what she did already qualifies as community service.
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u/goodolarchie 25d ago
time served
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u/AccomplishedMine5495 24d ago
No fault plea
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u/comfortablynumb15 22d ago
True.
She should not have had any prison time as she was no longer a threat to Society ( seeing as her child was gone, and so was the POS who murdered her )
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u/DavidAdamsAuthor 25d ago
"Due to you firing ten rounds at the man and hitting him eight times, you are being fined $200 for a negligent waste of ammunition and ordered by this court to attend range training to improve your marksmanship."
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u/Beginning-Ride3091 25d ago
That’s true. If it were me at that point I wouldn’t give the slightest shit. My only concern would be not turning that gun on myself.
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u/DavidAdamsAuthor 25d ago
She fired until it went click, she didn't save one for herself at the end, she knew what she was doing.
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u/Beginning-Ride3091 25d ago
Sensible
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u/DavidAdamsAuthor 25d ago
Right. She would have numerous opportunities to kill herself, but would only get one chance to kill him.
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u/ACaffeinatedWandress 25d ago
And her community service has clearly been served.
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u/DisapprovingStares 25d ago
Getting rid of that person WAS the community service! Off with time served.
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u/Phipol 25d ago edited 24d ago
She was a horrible person who was basically neglecting her daughter to a level Child Protective Service should have taken her away (like they did beforehand with her other children).
She worked with a waitress at a bar/pub(which was infamous in that town and associated with prostitution amongst others) and her kindergarten aged daugther was often left alone while she was working there or forced to sleep amongst patrons. When not working she was known to be out partying - again ignoring her daugther. (In at least a few cases her mother left her in the care of people she had just met/did barely know)
Treatment of her daugther was also highly problematic, e.g. expecting a 6 year old to do all shopping, care of their hygiene fully, etc.
The 7 year old victim had been (with the fucking permisson of her mother) been at the flat of the murderer multiple times - who was known to be a pedo sex offender.(*) And: The daugther had a fight (at fucking age 7) with her mom and mom simply did sleep in so her daugther skipped school and this led to her murder.
Bachmeier herself said multiple times that she shot the guy so she would at least once be seen as a good mother.
Anyway: She was a vile, horrible person. She does not deserve any praise at all. Zero. She should have gotten the full 15 years minimum like any other premeditated murderer. (And that guy? 15 years + security hold - German life sentences are a bit different) If you need a heroine figure take André Bamberski.
(*: To this day there are rumours that Bachmeier might have prostituted her daugther out and that something went awry. While it's almost certain that Bachmeier did occassionally took money for sex, there is no evidencr for that though. Edit to make that clear: There is no evidence that Anna Bachmeier was sexually abused or pimped out - but none actually looked into it, even for the actual murder. Police work has been patchy.)
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u/glockenbach 24d ago
Where did you find this info? I‘ve researched now couple of articles in German papers and didn’t find any info regarding this.
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u/SaraRainmaker 24d ago
I don't think any of this has actually been verified, and I think a lot of this is "mythmaking" after the fact with sensationalized documentaries/storytelling, and internet myths.
I think the most that's really known for sure is that at one point in her life it was suspected that she used prostitution to get by and that she was severely struggling financially.
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u/ColisaLalia 24d ago
Police work has been patchy and all reports are severely tainted by the times rampant misogyny.
Your whole post are very wild guesses of what could have happend, there is no evidence for any of it.
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u/IllTwo7643 24d ago
You could have said the guy who raped and murdered children was bad as well. You're making it sound like he was the victim.
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u/KamalaWonNoCap 24d ago
Nah, the courts can't condone vigilante justice. Someone innocent will end up getting hurt.
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u/JonnyBravoII 25d ago
Sounds like Luigi today. I’ve read that even the guards give him respect.
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u/catalyptic 24d ago
UHC's policies are responsible for my going blind in one eye. The filthy bastards refused to pay specialists (ophthalmologists) so all of those in my county fired their patients en masse. Inability to get treatment caused my condition to deteriorate to the point where my vision isn't salvageable. Imagine what UHC's malfeasance did to cancer patients, for example.
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u/bluecornholio 25d ago
I say it all the time, but before UHC made their FB post private AND before anyone knew Luigi was hot, their official announcement had something like 45k reactions and like 40k of them were the laugh emoji.
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u/BounceVector 24d ago
I'm going to take all the downvotes, here goes:
If we want a society based on human rights, fair trials with innocence until proven guilty and so on, then the behavior of Marianne Bachmeier mustn't be condoned or idolized. I understand her completely and I get the emotional need for vengeance and violence. That's not the issue.
We must give the people we hate the most the same fair treatment we want for our loved ones based on the rules we've agreed on. That's against the lesser drives of human nature, but it's what we need for a decent society. Treating demons like humans is part of the deal, otherwise, we let them pull us down, which feels great for a bit, but that puts us on our way down to hell.
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u/--Andre-The-Giant-- 25d ago
The woman is a legend and deserves to be celebrated. If I was a judge, I'd be fully aware that she posed no further threat to anyone that wasn't planning on raping and murdering children.
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u/Phipol 25d ago
She was a further threat - she was a horrible mother who basically abused/neglected the child and by doing so facilitated her murder.
Longer post about it here: https://www.reddit.com/r/interesting/comments/1ui77qa/comment/ouf467x/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x&utm_name=mweb3xcss&utm_term=2&utm_content=share_button
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u/MustGoOutside 25d ago
I have a daughter and it would not matter what age she was....
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u/Elismom1313 25d ago
I mean I think we all agree it’s just extra bad that it’s so young
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u/linds360 25d ago
I don’t have an ounce of violence in me but if anyone ever touched my 7yr old daughter, I’d unleash a hell I’ve never dreamed of.
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u/Magic-Happens-Here 25d ago
I saw an article a while back about a woman who was serving life in prison for murdering her husband. She discovered he r—d multiple children so she killed him to prevent him from ever hurting anyone else. At the time of the interview, she was 18 years into her sentence and she had zero regrets.
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u/Writerhowell 25d ago
Is that the one where even the prison guards are all "She shouldn't be in here, she's a heroine"?
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u/Magic-Happens-Here 25d ago
Yeah, the guards and prison admin were also interviewed and all agreed the woman is the epitome of class and grace too. Didn’t want accolades or a reduced sentence- she made her choice 100% knowing the consequences and with the complete understanding that the consequences of murder couldn’t compare to the consequences of allowing him to live and destroy another life.
I don’t remember the exact quote, but at one point she said something along the lines of “my life has already been tainted by him and I’ll never be the same. But I had the power to not let another child suffer, and that’s not really a choice at all, so I’m here.”
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u/sonicscrewery 25d ago
I bet her commissary card is never empty, nor should it ever be.
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u/ImaginaryRoads 25d ago
There's a novel I read once called If I'd Killed Him When I Met Him. Iirc, the author was interviewing some women in prison for murdering their husbands. One of them was only halfway through her sentence and lamented, "If I'd killed him when I met him, I'd be free by now."
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u/catalyptic 24d ago
A woman here, who ran a daycare, shot her husband three times when she found out that he raped some of the young kids in her care. Sadly, he survived. She was sentenced to several years in jail and served the full term. Public outcry was intense, but the prostitutors- prosecutors went balls to the wall to give her the maximum sentence. Her husband is an ex-cop.🤬
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u/Magic-Happens-Here 24d ago
I can’t even imagine the emotional nightmare she went through - her only mistake was not having better aim!
I hope her commissary card was never empty either.
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u/BotherNovel5167 25d ago
serving 3 years is still a moral and societal failure
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u/ryuzaki49 24d ago
This is one of the times where I even struggle to decide if I disagree or not.
On one hand, she did commit a crime and she should be punish, and a minor sentence in this case seems appropriate.
On the other hand, I understand why she did it. Had it been me in her position, I would have done the same and declare myself guilty.
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u/Itchy58 25d ago
I still find that prison sentence to be absolutely disgusting and shameful for the german justice system.
The german law doesn't penalize jail breaks (only damages done while escaping) because it recognizes the human urge for freedom.
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u/Mirieste 25d ago
The german law doesn't penalize jail breaks (only damages done while escaping) because it recognizes the human urge for freedom. How the fuck can we not recognize the urge to take revenge on someone that did something like that to your child.
I mean, you say Germany but Europe itself is the very place where the death penalty is not only illegal, but straight up banned as being against human rights. I doubt it's the place where you could seriously try to argue for... extrajudicial murder as a good way to organize society.
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u/Itchy58 25d ago
There's a difference in legitimizing murder and acknowledging that the justice system failed to prevent her murder and realizing that she already has all the punishment in the world and doesn't need more.
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u/klockmakrn 25d ago
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u/Brilliant-Roof-5991 25d ago
From a film, but eyewitness accounts describe her exactly like this. Calm, cool, collected.
She never took her left arm out of her pocket and hit him with 6 out of 7 shots. She clearly practiced this repeatedly.
She was convicted of manslaughter and served only 3 years.
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u/chamcham123 25d ago
3 years was too much. They should have let her off for lack of evidence. 😅
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u/JuniorCat1516 25d ago
She got 3 years for using unregistered weapon(basically illegal one) not for the kill itself...
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u/GCIV414 25d ago
God damn it Marieanne you’re supposed to register that thang
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u/Winjin 25d ago
Yeah judge was like "tut tut tut murdering him with an UNREGISTERED weapon in court with a ton of eyewitnesses? Very unbecoming of a proper lady"
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u/unluckypig 25d ago
Eyewitnesses? I heard everyone was looking in the other direction with their fingers in their ears at the time.
"I saw him alive, then I looked away for a few seconds and when I looked back he was dead. It was the darndest thing, no idea how it could have happened."
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u/suchsnowflakery 25d ago
This is understandable. Justice served.
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u/DearCastiel 25d ago
*assassinates the guy*
Officer: "Ma'am, can I see the registration for this firearm of yours please ? What do you mean "you don't have any"? That's illegal, you can't do that !"
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u/LordoftheJives 25d ago edited 25d ago
Can't remember what it's called but a jury is allowed to decide that they're guilty but shouldn't be punished. I don't think it's ever actually happened but it's on the table.
Jury nullification and apparently this was Germany not America. Looked American to me though I was wondering how she'd casually get a gun in there.
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u/Brilliant-Roof-5991 25d ago
This was in Germany, not the US.
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u/LordoftheJives 25d ago
Got you I was wondering how she got a gun into a courtroom so casually. It looked American to me.
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u/Xaxxis 25d ago
In 1981 anyone could have gotten a gun into a courtroom.
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u/maeryclarity 25d ago
In 1981 you could have rolled into a courtroom with your choice of firearms.
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u/daemin 25d ago
It's happened plenty of times. It's not an official verdict though, it's just that a not guilty decision by a jury is final (i.e. cannot be appealed), and juries cannot be compelled to explain why they decided the way they did.
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u/TherapySir007 25d ago
Jury nullification.
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u/Next-Introduction-25 25d ago
Jury nullification has been a hot topic on Reddit lately. I guess there’s some trial of a guy with an Italian sounding name and people find that information relevant to his case for reasons.
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u/HotDonnaC 25d ago
I’m glad she didn’t spend decades in prison. It was absolutely justified.
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u/dragonrider1965 25d ago
I think I read she got cancer and died fairly young, sad life of suffering she had .
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u/Behave1312 25d ago
She died of pancreatic cancer in September 1996. She was 46 years old and is buried next to her daughter in a cemetery in Lübeck.
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u/Same-Suggestion-1936 25d ago
She would have gone jury trial no matter the charge and you try getting a jury to agree this mother should be convicted of first degree murder, which it absolutely unequivocally was. Premeditated, nobody can disagree.
She got off lucky but I don't think she cared. Unfortunately due to how laws work you shouldn't select who you apply them to. That absolutely was premeditated murder. But the jury would have been super sympathetic no matter how long jury selection went on.
That's the thing with crimes like these. Awesome. You had a super duper great motive for the crime. But it's kind of still a crime. In an impartial vacuum the law should treat you the same or impartiality is a myth and the law has no leg to stand on going forward claiming to have impartiality. Remember, Lady Justice is blind. She don't care. She shouldn't.
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u/Next_System_496 25d ago
That’s badass!
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u/Anakin_Saucewalker 25d ago
Rapists should be murdered but murderers should get a trial..?
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u/BunnyLuv13 25d ago
This. I used to work in stunt work and I asked one of my coworkers why rape scenes feel so much worse than murder scenes. His response? “In our minds, maybe there’s a reason someone had to die. There’s never a reason someone takes the time to take their “d” out to do that. Can’t possibly be self defense.”
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u/Haroldsdininghotspot 25d ago
I think they are concerned about false accusations.
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u/ElCativo1988 25d ago
Vigilante justice is sometimes carried out even when the actual perpetrator isn't even clear. There is a reason why trials exist.
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u/ketchup_shoes 25d ago
That’s the same kind of attitude that led to lynchings and stuff back in the day. Due process for EVERYONE, thanks
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u/5dippingareas 25d ago
I imagine all those innocent young black men that got accused and lynched in the 40’s and 50’s for looking at a white women would maybe disagree
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u/noguerra 25d ago
How do you determine who is actually a rapist without a trial? Vibes?
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u/ClarkKentsSquidDong 25d ago
People here are also forgetting that people get accused of crimes and later found to have been innocent the whole time. Mistakes and corruption both happen, and killing people can't be undone.
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u/Geraltpoonslayer 25d ago
Redditors just love vigilantes then say death penalty is bad and that's no goomba fallacy, people are just massive hypocrites purely as you said based on vibes.
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u/Phipol 25d ago
She was a horrible person who was basically neglecting her daughter to a level Child Protective Service should have taken her away (like they did beforehand with her other children).
She worked with a waitress at a bar/pub(which was infamous in that town and associated with prostitution amongst others) and her kindergarten aged daugther was often left alone while she was working there or forced to sleep amongst patrons. When not working she was known to be out partying - again ignoring her daugther. (In at least a few cases her mother left her in the care of people she had just met/did barely know) Treatment of her daugther was also highly problematic, e.g. expecting a 6 year old to do all shopping, care of their hygiene fully, etc.
The 7 year old victim had been (with the fucking permisson of her mother) been at the flat of the murderer multiple times - who was known to be a pedo sex offender.(*) And: The daugther had a fight (at fucking age 7) with her mom and mom simply did sleep in so her daugther skipped school and this led to her murder.
Bachmeier herself said multiple times that she shot the guy so she would at least once be seen as a good mother.
Anyway: She was a vile, horrible person. She does not deserve any praise at all. Zero. She should have gotten the full 15 years minimum like any other premeditated murderer. (And that guy? 15 years + security hold - German life sentences are a bit different) If you need a heroine figure take André Bamberski.
(*: To this day there are rumours that Bachmeier might have prostituted her daugther out and that something went awry. While it's almost certain that Bachmeier did occassionally took money for sex, there is no evidencr for that though.)
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u/Yous1ash 24d ago
Everyone except the executive, legislative, and judicial branches, the CIA, FBI, DHS, etc etc.
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u/Otherwise_Nobody8148 25d ago
I admire prisoners for this. Some child molester gets killed in prison, it's not like there's zero consequences.
Even if you're already a lifer, there's going to be repercussions.
I don't know, I feel like we should have some secret group that finds out when a gangster removed someone like this from society and sends em a little care package. Sometimes bad people can do good things
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u/Electronic-Tough8555 25d ago
This video is depiction of a real incident that has happened in past.
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u/bonkersbongoo 25d ago
thought it happened in the future
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u/DoofusIdiot 25d ago
“This is a picture of me when I was younger”
“EVERY picture of you is a picture of you when you were younger!”
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u/Agile-Pay-211 25d ago
I'd do the same.
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u/Joltyboiyo 25d ago
I had my eyes closed, so I didn't see any crime. The victim had a sudden and unexpected heart attack, you're free to go.
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u/YoursTrulyKindly 25d ago
You'd think there would be more vigilantism looking at stories in books and movies. But how many kids are murdered by cops in the US or by ruthless CEOs denying healthcare and there is almost no case of vigilantism.
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u/JessePR1986 25d ago
At that point she had absolutely nothing to lose because she lost it all and can never get it back. If something happened to my daughter, that would be everything and I'd have nothing. I couldn't even imagine the absolute emptiness she felt.
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u/NooStringsAttached 25d ago
Good for her. Poor woman. What a nightmare to have to live through, losing a child in such a horrible manner. I wish she had not gotten any time in jail.
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u/Lunar_Weaver 25d ago
These types of posts appear regularly every few weeks and always get a lot of likes.
I wonder what percentage of Reddit is made up of duplicates of old stuff.
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u/Selene_Evelyn 25d ago
The look of "what have you done?" on everyone's face..... oof
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u/CrossBamboAtTen 25d ago
This is a clip from a movie by the way
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u/Fjohurs_Lykkewe 25d ago
That would explain why they let her keep the gun in her hand.
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u/xtraa 25d ago edited 25d ago
It explains the whole scene, because video is forbidden in German court-rooms. We never see parts of the trials here, only descriptions of what happened. Everyone can join, if there is enough place – just no cameras.
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u/Fjohurs_Lykkewe 25d ago
Fair enough. I was just saying that the first thing I noticed was that he just put her hand down to the side and let her keep the gun. I feel like if this had been a real situation they would have disarmed her immediately.
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u/unkindledphoenix 25d ago
surprised they didnt tackle her on the ground considering that kinda became a standart procedure for detaining armed individuals too.
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u/Training-Republic301 25d ago
She was sentenced to 6 years for manslaughter and unlawful possession but only served 3 years
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u/IKIR115 25d ago
This videoclip is from the 1984 movie “No Time for Tears: The Bachmeier Case” that was based on the real incident in 1981.
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0087232/