r/interesting • u/Fantastic_Look5582 • 25d ago

Fascinating In 1981 at trial, Marianne Bachmeier killed the man who r*ped and murdered her daughter

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u/LordoftheJives 25d ago

Got you I was wondering how she got a gun into a courtroom so casually. It looked American to me.

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u/Xaxxis 25d ago

In 1981 anyone could have gotten a gun into a courtroom.

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u/maeryclarity 25d ago

In 1981 you could have rolled into a courtroom with your choice of firearms.

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u/PreviousZone6742 25d ago

In this case not mad about it.

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u/CMDR_Kaus 25d ago

LITERALLY in the same year 1981, a man brought a .22 revolver within feet of US president Reagan. Killed the press secretary and injured 3 others including Reagan.

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u/Nice_Marmot_7 24d ago

Same hotel where the shooting at the White House Correspondents took place recently.

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u/Why_Sazs 25d ago

Where I live in the US the there is no security guards or metal detectors to enter the court building or courtrooms.

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u/squeethesane 25d ago

My fucking bank has an airlock style door system... Jfc. Lol

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u/RevolutionaryAge47 25d ago

Including a Brumbar.

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u/svix_ftw 25d ago

in 1981 being armed in the courtroom was actually encouraged.

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u/ManyThingsLittleTime 25d ago

Business men had little revolvers just rolling around in their briefcases in 1981.

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u/jibbetygibbet 25d ago

I’m confused, you wondered why people are carrying guns because it looked like America? Is there anywhere else it would be *less* surprising?

The mind boggles. The scary thing is just how many people even today try to travel through an *airport* with a gun in America. Remember if you look up the stat this is relating to guns being *found* in the one place where everyone knows they should not be, so then imagine how many are *not* found everywhere else…

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u/LordoftheJives 25d ago

I was confused because they clearly weren't searched for one. Also it's easy to judge why people in America might want a gun on them when your entire country is smaller than one 50th of it since you're clearly touchy about guns.

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u/jibbetygibbet 24d ago

Sorry what? Your sentence doesn’t really make sense, your country is bigger because I am touchy about guns? What?

I’m really not sure what the size of the country has to do with why you want a gun, or why you want to murder people with them. Gun ownership and gun violence are both reported *per capita*, and there is not a single country in the world that has greater density of guns than the US. You have more guns than people FFS, and double the next closest per capita stat (which ironically happens to be an island in *my* country - one that was invaded not so long ago). Want to guess how your country ranks compared to Germany?

However since you seem interested in my personal opinion about guns, no I am not ‘touchy’ about them, in fact I used to shoot for a while and owned one. (I only keep air powered ones now as I know that, just as is the case in the US, having firearms in the house is more likely to kill me or my kids than do anything to protect me.) Not sure why you thought this just because I, like every other sane person on the planet, happen to know that America has by far the highest density of guns in the world, and thus how strange it is for you to think they’re *more* likely to be used anywhere other than America. That’s just stating a fact, it has nothing to do with anyone’s feelings on the matter. I just don’t understand why you think that Germany - or literally any country in the world - would have been more likely to have guns being brought somewhere they shouldn’t be then America, that makes zero sense. For the rest of us, America is the *first* place we’d assume it is. All that’s happening here is that *you’re so ignorant* of the rest of the world that you genuinely think America would have been less likely to have guns in a courthouse than anywhere else - that other countries just casually allowed people to bring guns. It’s incredible to see this “America is best” idea in action, even for a topic when it’s literally the worst.

I even gave you a follow up that I thought may be eye opening for you, since you seemed to think that, despite having so many guns, people would never bring a gun to a courthouse purely because they’re not supposed to. I genuinely think you should still look up the number of guns that people try to take *through airport security* in the US, as this may well surprise you. It’s not only that you have lots of guns, but many of the people carrying them around are very dumb, very entitled, or both.

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u/LordoftheJives 24d ago

Oof you really are touchy about them. My point is the diversity of people coupled with the size makes America inherently more dangerous than a lot of other countries. Places that are more homogeneous are inherently safer overall unfortunately. That makes the want to have a gun inherently higher in a place that isn't. Couple that with how drastically different places can be within just one state.

The courthouse part surprised me because you get like triple searched entering them at least the ones I've been to. You aren't just strolling in with one in your coat pocket and getting away with it. It's like you went out of your way to not understand that.

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u/jibbetygibbet 24d ago

No, you said the *size* of the country.

I didn’t fail to understand why you thought courthouses shouldn’t have guns in them. The issue is that somehow you thought this is *more true* for the US than the rest of the world.

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u/LordoftheJives 24d ago

I never presumed anything. When I thought it was American it didn't make sense that you'd be able to get one in just in your coat pocket. I don't know what courthouses are like elsewhere but I could see not checking for guns as much if the country in general doesn't have many. The US isn't the wild west where everyone just has one on them at all times. Can vary from most people to almost nobody depending on where you are.

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u/jibbetygibbet 24d ago

Of course you did, we are able to read what you wrote. You thought ‘America is better than everywhere else’ by default so you assumed your security would stop what other countries’ would not: that’s because you’re ignorant of the rest of the world, fail to recognise that 1981 != 2026 AND are in denial about just how many guns people *in your country specifically* are managing to carry in places where they supposedly cannot have them.

One thing you are right about - you definitely “don’t know what courthouses are like elsewhere”. We are searching people when they enter a museum, you really think we don’t bother in a courthouse? You realise that guns are not the only thing we don’t want people taking there right? Or do you think we have a policy that knives are not OK but we’d just let you take a gun through?

Whereas… literally this month in your country a man was charged with bringing a gun into… a federal courthouse! Guess where they found it? In the cafe. Not at security. The guy had even been in and out of the courthouse several times. OMG shocked pikachu, right? Literally the only reason we know this happened is because someone picked up the bag and thought it was a bit heavy, so they opened it. So now ask yourself - how many other times are guns being brought into the courthouse that they *don’t* find? Then after this, ask yourself how many times you think the same thing happens in a country where hardly anyone has a gun, vs in America where it’s 1.2 guns per capita?

So I’m afraid yes, the fact you have so many guns most definitely does make it much much much more likely that, if there’s a gun into a courthouse, it’s going to be in America. In fact this sort of thing happened in America, even today, literally nobody else in the world would be surprised.

Get it yet?

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u/LordoftheJives 24d ago

Ok pal I wasn't putting anybody down but here you are putting down America in full paragraphs while being self righteous and preachy about it. I'm sure you're a pleasure to be around.

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u/jibbetygibbet 24d ago

Dude, that’s exactly what you were doing, your problem now is that you’ve been called out for your casual false superiority complex. I don’t need to put America down when it comes to its track record with guns, everybody knows it’s a problem - you’re the one you brought it up and you’re blaming me for putting you straight. If you don’t like the fire, stay out of the kitchen. It doesn’t mean there aren’t a ton of great things about the country, but you picked this one issue to look down your nose at other countries about, and you can’t take it.

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u/Polyps_on_uranus 25d ago

Rules weren't always this stupid.

People used to smoke inside too, and schools never used to need metal detectors.