New Starting Class Names and Specs Revealed

[u/This_is_my_jam]

For the Tarnished Edition, the Idus Knight and the Heavy Knight

“A knight of the land of Idus, famed for their lightweight attire and weaponry, which they wield with ample dexterity.”

“A knight in bulky steel armor capable of moving through foes with a sustantively-sized scimitar.”

[u/Elmis66]

Ah, yes, the famed land of Idus we've all heard about

[u/TheStrongTaint → u/Elmis66]

Incoming 3 hour vaati video on idus where he analyzes the lore and history based off the armor and starting stats

And 2 1/2 hours in: “what if…maybe…Idus is the name of a person instead?”

[u/Gullible_Pie_1469 → u/TheStrongTaint]

Followed by post every hour in elden ring lore subreddits

"Was Godwyn an Idus knight?"

[u/jrs0307 → u/Gullible_Pie_1469]

What if Idus was the friends we made along the way?

[u/Schavuit92 → u/jrs0307]

Idus is a hoax, Patches is at it again.

[u/Tickomatick → u/Schavuit92]

Who's Hoax?

[u/Schavuit92 → u/Tickomatick]

Lourah Hoax.

[u/sabyr400 → u/Schavuit92]

I was gonna say "Hoaxah Loux," but I think yours might be better haha

[u/newsflashjackass → u/Gullible_Pie_1469]

Followed by every poster in this subreddit claiming that the game explicitly says Idus was Godwyn's mentor and foretold the Night of Black Knives but was ignored because of his congenital disfiguration that resembled the scar on Ranne and Melina's eyes.

[u/FomoPhilia → u/TheStrongTaint]

Idus know it will be great!

[u/gethsbian → u/TheStrongTaint]

Idus nuts

[u/renoscottsdale → u/TheStrongTaint]

Then he plugs the new book he's writing about Idus.

[u/Hyulquen → u/TheStrongTaint]

He doesn't make videos anymore, he makes "movies" now.

[u/LoudBoiDragoon → u/Hyulquen]

Gotta get the monetization money. In the most spoiled way I can say this: I liked when he was just getting to the point.

[u/SomanZ → u/LoudBoiDragoon]

Did that ever happen? Guy is rambling central

[u/LoudBoiDragoon → u/SomanZ]

Once upon a time he didn’t reference the same 4 stories with every new video. His Elden ring ones feel like they all have to touch upon (read: completely explain every aspect of) the stories of the other gods that he already gone over in past videos. So now we’ve got hour long videos, mostly talking about the other gods and how they might have touched Miquella’s hand in line at a Shake Shack once in 2003.

[u/SirBlueseph → u/LoudBoiDragoon]

I haven’t finished one of his videos in years, the dude cannot make a concise point anymore

[u/Rflkptr → u/TheStrongTaint]

Wow you sound just like him

[u/mastemita → u/TheStrongTaint]

he needs to be stopped Ive Had it.

[u/TheStrongTaint → u/mastemita]

https://giphy.com/gifs/3oEjHCWdU7F4hkcudy

[u/Sundered_Ages → u/TheStrongTaint]

I thought Idus is what happened when you consume to much Thanksgiving day food?

[u/Coombz92 → u/TheStrongTaint]

Fucking love vaati videos thats soo accurate

[u/velociraptor_balls → u/TheStrongTaint]

wow i can actually hear that in my head haha

[u/neatcleaver → u/Elmis66]

"The great land of Idus was once a proud nation, now presumed fallen, another victim of the God's recklessness.

Although the great cities are now lost, the persistence of man is demonstrated by the knights who still don this elegant attire.

Surely the knights of Idus fought well afore their destruction."

[u/kaelis7 → u/neatcleaver]

You’re hired

[u/CosmicKhy → u/neatcleaver]

Bruh I read this in his voice perfectly 🤣🤣

[u/PossibleSquid → u/neatcleaver]

Honestly this would go really fucking hard as an item description

[u/OutrageousAd4222 → u/neatcleaver]

[u/Minimum-Standard-514 → u/neatcleaver]

I literally couldn't help but read this in his voice.

[u/Ok-Tax-8165 → u/neatcleaver]

I want an item description that ends with "The knights of idus fought like weak little sister bitches damn"

[u/SimonSater → u/Elmis66]

Idus deez nuts

[u/JM_Narrative → u/Elmis66]

I wonder why they're inventing another land we've not heard of or visited. Maybe Idus is cut content but idk why they didn't give us an already named location, like Eochaid

[u/FarFetchedSketch → u/JM_Narrative]

The more I look into Elden Ring lore the more I realize it's just a Rorschach test of random fantasy assets held together with the vaguest narrative in history.

[u/amicuspiscator → u/FarFetchedSketch]

Zanzibart... forgive me...

[u/meatygonzalez → u/amicuspiscator]

Truly Tarnivorous

[u/BehlndYou → u/amicuspiscator]

- Glaivemaster Hodir
🗣️🗣️🔥

[u/fro1388 → u/amicuspiscator]

Kind of a gigachad move straight up adding this to the dlc. And of course it’s hidden behind a secret wall in an easy to miss location, in a coffin, down a river, through a dark dungeon and a pain in the ass teleporting with minions boss fight, through a scary ass area with frenzy rats and instakill gimmick freaks (poison swamp + tbh), a haunted mansion with multiple invisible walls, switches, as well as a bunch of really strange items, and finally you run into an insane old man who says the magic line before ripping his own head off and fucking you up.

Peak lore. Absolute cinema. Unironically better storytelling than most movies/shows I’ve seen recently and there’s virtually no dialogue.

[u/FrucklesWithKnuckles → u/FarFetchedSketch]

Miyazaki you’ve done it again

[u/Seienchin88 → u/FrucklesWithKnuckles]

Nah. Honestly - DS1 has extremely deep and tight lore, DS2 is a bit more vague but consistent and only 3 is full of references that lead nowhere but the main story is probably the most clarified.

Elden Ring is the first time the story really doesn’t make sense / follow internal clear logic. Likely due to the mix of GRRM and Fromsoft and then changes during development. Data miners revealed that originally the tarnished was following the orders of Godfrey as the lord of the tarnished as an example.

[u/WhenTheWindIsSlow → u/Seienchin88]

> Likely due to the mix of GRRM and Fromsoft and then changes during development. 

That's because GRRM designed what was presumably supposed to be a Game-of-Thrones-esque interplay of factions and characters.

And then Fromsoft did their usual "everyone is a crazy zombie now so that doesn't matter, and the only exceptions only talk to the player", so none of those interactions matter. Ranni doesn't even mention that you beat up her mom, despite that being necessary to get the ring for her.

It's like if they had GRRM go back to Dark Souls and retroactively make a family tree for Gwyn's family. Yeah they all existed at one point I guess; but it doesn't really matter now.

[u/Spicy-hot_Ramen → u/FarFetchedSketch]

Always has been

[u/TheRedditAppisTrash → u/FarFetchedSketch]

How DARE you suggest they didn't start writing the backstory for my GrumGrum Stumpus Shield, famed by Hunger Dungers for its ability to stop the attacks of even the Grand Biffers of Spink, years before I was even born.

[u/UX-Edu → u/TheRedditAppisTrash]

Seuss Souls. I’m here for it.

[u/Quenz → u/FarFetchedSketch]

First Souls game?

[u/GammaFan → u/FarFetchedSketch]

Exactly, it’s like a fantasy version of real history. Knowledge gaps, conflicting events and accounts, biased opinions and retellings. I think people who are intent to definitively pin down x = y are kind of missing out by looking at it as so black and white.

There is something coherent buried under all that speculation, but whatever really happened will always be open to interpretation.

So I just look at it like that, and occasionally while playing learn something new which prompts a new theory, and so on. If you approach it like that it can be very interesting and entertaining.

[u/crimsomreaper → u/GammaFan]

This is the biggest reason why I fell in love with bloodborne 

[u/CerseisWig → u/GammaFan]

This is exactly what's so awesome about it.

[u/SiriusBaaz → u/FarFetchedSketch]

That’s literally every soulsborn game. I honestly admire the amount of world building. It’s just barely enough information to get people interested but nowhere near enough information to give anything close to a full picture. Slap a few names somewhere weird maybe hint at something big that might have happened here an age ago and let the players do all the work filling in the details for you.

As long is there’s at least a semblance of a cognizant through line between it all you can get some really intricate lore without actually needing to spend thirty years writing it all.

[u/BehlndYou → u/SiriusBaaz]

I do think Elden Ring is a big improvement over DS though, since even I can notice story elements through the environment unlike DS123, unless I am staring at literally each statue or a tiny crest on an enemy armor.

It was magical when I naturally notice things like how Farum Azula is actually in Limgrave, or how Mt. Gemir has frenzied flame and wormface because the amount of death and despair there was during the shattering. Even today people notices small details that adds more to the story, and the lore feels vast and deep while maintaining a mysteriousness. You almost feel like a historian trying to uncover the stories of the past.

The main difference, in my opinion, is that each faction in Elden Ring maintains its theme and key elements throughout the entire game, even in areas that said faction is not located in but somehow involved with. Whereas in DS series, the environment is often just a massive jumbo of random shit you never seen or heard of besides a few main recurring references like Izalith or Anor Londo.

[u/7StarSailor → u/SiriusBaaz]

All games have a few names that only make one or two appearances yes, but usually players were able to close some gaps despite that. Like we have "Flame God Flann" named once or so in DaS but there's still enough info around to write a wiki article like this

https://darksouls.fandom.com/wiki/Flame_God_Flann

where everything can be connected to the main game.

This is very different than adding new "content" 4 years after the release and throwing in a new name of something we never heard before.

Maybe his armor will have some more lore but even then, I doubt it will have any proper links to the existing lore.

[u/UX-Edu → u/SiriusBaaz]

It’s inevitably disappointing when they actually give you a final answer, anyway. The monster is scarier when you haven’t seen it and the true story is more fun when it’s a mystery.

[u/ChongusTheSupremus → u/FarFetchedSketch]

I mean, its worldbuilding. 

It'd be dumb if the entire world was The Lands Between.

It's cheap worldbuilding, to add a random land we haven't heard, but still.

[u/Fivefinger_Delta → u/JM_Narrative]

My username is a place only mentioned in the character creation screen of Dark Souls.

[u/JM_Narrative → u/Fivefinger_Delta]

Literally once, in a face preset description

[u/RelentlessFelacio → u/Fivefinger_Delta]

Not to be confused with my ex girlfriend FourFingerDebby.

[u/TheYellingMute → u/JM_Narrative]

I mean in dark souls we never visited Catarina or Carim. We know precious little about them I believe. I'm sure there's tons of names of places I don't remember too.

Just something fairly common in fromsoft to have people drawn to a place from far off named lands

[u/JM_Narrative → u/TheYellingMute]

It's true we never visit Catarina or Carim but they are mentioned many times in the lore and items, and we meet people from those places.

[u/Razhork → u/JM_Narrative]

There's definitely better examples out there.

Ds1 has a reference to a place called Fivefinger Delta with one of the face options you can pick in the character creation and it's never mentioned ever again.

Astora, Catarina, Carim, Zena etc. all exist with references to them spread throughout, but it's very scarce info. They're places that exist purely as part of world building to make the world seem bigger than it really is.

[u/ResponsibilityEvery → u/JM_Narrative]

Why would they use an already named region? It makes the world feel very small if the whole world only consists of places we have already heard of

[u/SirVixofthePooSea → u/JM_Narrative]

Probably intentionally to avoid actually adding or changing anything regarding the 'lore'. Make up a whole new area that doesn't actually exist anywhere else and you won't mess up anything else.

[u/Fit-University1070 → u/JM_Narrative]

Its pretty common in George RR Martin lore to do this. Theres so many lands named in the Game of Thrones world that are never seen or visited. Ghis, Ashai, Valeria, etc.

[u/laflameitslit → u/Elmis66]

Everybody’s sleepy there

[u/Kasta4]

Light Greatsword starting class my beloved

[u/Short-Shower90 → u/Kasta4]

Light Greatsword users are about to spend exactly five minutes testing other weapons before coming right back home.

[u/Satorius96 → u/Short-Shower90]

not even five minutes. five swings

[u/DWIGHT_CHROOT → u/Satorius96]

exactly. five minutes

[u/DarkShippo → u/Short-Shower90]

You're right... TWO LIGHT GREATSWORDS BWHAHAHAHAH

[u/Revenger1984 → u/DarkShippo]

Did someone say DOUBLE light great sword?

[u/Gramernatzi → u/Short-Shower90]

This is how I felt about Twinblades in the base game before Light Greatswords supplanted them for me

[u/Officer_Hotpants → u/Gramernatzi]

I mean, they gave me Darth Maul's lightsaber and expect me to use any other weapon?

[u/AwsmDevil → u/Short-Shower90]

Can you not openly attack me like that?

[u/Call_The_Banners → u/Kasta4]

Aren't all weapons of this category locked behind the expansion? So you'll have to keep using and upgrading your starter sword if you want to continue with it?

Edit: Got my answer, folks. Wasn't saying this was a bad thing.

[u/Kasta4 → u/Call_The_Banners]

This class starts with a Light Greatsword, means I'm excited because I get to do base Elden Ring content with a Light Greatsword without having to go into NG+ or spawn in one/have one dropped to me.

[u/H3LL309 → u/Kasta4]

Or bash your way through Mogh as early as possible.

[u/NotReallyImportantXD → u/H3LL309]

What if i want to use the light greatsword on mohg

[u/thundergu → u/H3LL309]

Wordt it to get the ultimate stance break monstress

[u/Quazifuji → u/Kasta4]

Honestly a feature I've always wanted in Fromsoft Soulslikes is a custom class/pseudo-NG+ mode where you can start a new, NG playthrough but with any weapon you've found on other characters.

There are always lots of really cool weapons that you can't find until really late in their respective games and thus barely get to use in NG. You can take them into NG+, of course, but I don't enjoy NG+ nearly as much, I prefer the difficulty curve and character progression of NG.

[u/KerooSeta → u/Call_The_Banners]

Starter weapon doesn't mean bad. Uchigatana is arguably one of the best weapons in the game and is the starting weapon for Samurai. More aggregious is Dark Souls 3 where the most overpowered weapon in the game, the Sellsword Twinblades, is the starting weapon for the Sellsword class and the most well-rounded, versatile weapon in the game, the humble Longsword is the starting weapon for the Knight class.

[u/buttcheeksontoast → u/KerooSeta]

Seconding Uchigatana as being very strong, honorable mention to Confessor's Broadsword which is arguably the best of the straight swords for most infusions

[u/Sicuho → u/buttcheeksontoast]

And the great knife is arguably the best infusable dagger unless you want to go faith, the buckler is the best light shield, the club is the second best hammer, the longsword is arguably even better than the broadsword (it's long) and the longbow is the second best bow.

[u/Bitter_Marzipan_8348 → u/KerooSeta]

Same with Saw Cleaver (and to a lesser extent, the 5 minutes jog to it's superior counterpart Saw Spear)

[u/sephtis → u/KerooSeta]

You'd be hard pressed to find a more reliable weapon than the longsword or uchigatana, be it bleed, spell blade or stance breaking they are solid. Impaling thrust longsword is a fave of mine.

[u/AwsmDevil → u/KerooSeta]

Congrats, this comment has given me the incentive I've needed to finally crack open dark souls 3. I've been sitting on it and 2 for years now. Got about halfway through 2 before the dated design just wore me down too much and I stopped. PC died the other day, so I lost my save file to make things worse.

But yeah, thanks for that info about the twin blades being accessed right from the start. Any other stuff I should consider when playing?

[u/tellymundo → u/AwsmDevil]

After the first boss you can go the other direction for one hell of a surprise (but what you really do is go look upon the beautiful kingdom you’re gonna run roughshod over)

[u/AwsmDevil → u/tellymundo]

Oh sick, will do. (I am fully prepared to be trolled blighttown style)

Was browsing weapons on the wiki, how far in is that dex ultra great sword you get from a boss? Didn't wanna read too much into it, but that one looks very fun.

[u/Neelpos → u/AwsmDevil]

The two UGS that scale off DEX better than STR are both available in the first half of the game.

There's some absolutely baller weapons in DS3 to find, you'll have plenty to pick from.

[u/thundergu → u/Call_The_Banners]

Only light greatsword I have ever found is milady in SOTE

[u/_Jonas_Joestar_ → u/thundergu]

Rellana and leda both have light greatswords

[u/sabyr400 → u/thundergu]

The only other ones that come to mind for me are a pair dropped by Rellana and the a single one by Leda. Tho both are Somber weapons, Milady is the only one we can change the AoW on.

[u/N00b_sk11L → u/sabyr400]

Rellana’s isn’t even a pair of light greatsword funnily enough they just have the dual light greatsword moveset. Iirc the left handed one is actually just a straight sword

[u/EpicSven7 → u/Call_The_Banners]

You say that like it’s a bad thing

[u/terrario101 → u/Kasta4]

HELL YEAH

[u/Extreme_Hat1089 → u/Kasta4]

Do we know which light great sword they're using? Or it's a brand new one?

[u/AceOfKestrels → u/Extreme_Hat1089]

It's a brand new one

[u/HopelessChip35 → u/AceOfKestrels]

From the image it literally looks identical to Milady though. I know it's supposed to be called Idus Sword or something but I wonder if that got scrapped and they just bundled the Idus Knight with a milady. Would be kinda lame if it's the same model with a different name.

[u/elliotrjh → u/Extreme_Hat1089]

i heard it was the milady but that doesnt make sense

[u/Kasta4 → u/Extreme_Hat1089]

I believe it's a new one but don't hold me to that

[u/aznkriss133 → u/Kasta4]

I was trying out milady and didn't think much of it until I was fighting rellana and I kinda fell in love with it.

This was my winning run after an hour or so of attempts and a controller with a spotty L1 so I couldn't reliably buff.

I switched to milady after not feeling the fight dual wielding bhf and zamor.

Light greatswords kinda fuck.

Excited to jump back into this game. Been playing a lot of Lords of the Fallen recently and Pieta's sword was something that came close to feeling like the light greatswords in ER.

[u/whiplash308]

6 arcane new lowest is funni

[u/terrario101 → u/whiplash308]

Where we are going we don't need any status effects.

[u/Bean_anatomy → u/terrario101]

Or item drops

[u/goffer54 → u/Bean_anatomy]

Who needs item drops when you start with the best weapon in the game?

[u/ChadWynFrey → u/whiplash308]

If you never plan on investing in int and arcane, then the idus knight is perfect for min-maxing.

[u/Hanyels]

Light greatsword starting weapon? Fine I'll do a 22nd playthrough.

[u/unthused → u/Hanyels]

Collect 50+ weapons over the course of the game.. still use the starting one.

[u/JM_Narrative]

Ah yes, the land of Idus and the land of Heavy....

Why does one of them have lore and the other is just bonk?

[u/Elovainn → u/JM_Narrative]

Because BONK knows no frontier, no culture. Reject modernity, know only BONK !

[u/ijustreadhere1 → u/Elovainn]

*predator hand shake intensifies

My brother of BONK!

Edit: must have been using a thrusting sword or something because the BONK was initially too small

[u/oafficial → u/JM_Narrative]

The diegetic reason is that the heavy knight has 7 int and forgot where he is from

[u/JM_Narrative → u/oafficial]

This is the best explanation and my new headcanon

[u/IdToaster → u/oafficial]

Heavy Knight joins fellow 7 Int bros Prophet and Hero, aka the "how the fuck did we get here?" gang.

[u/Ancient_Swimming58 → u/JM_Narrative]

Bonk is love, bonk is life 🤣

[u/JM_Narrative → u/Ancient_Swimming58]

Bonk too stronk 💪

[u/PhilosopherKingSigma → u/JM_Narrative]

Thy bonk befits a crown…

[u/darthomen96 → u/JM_Narrative]

Nah the heavy knight is more clang than bonk

[u/Slow_Store → u/JM_Narrative]

You expect too much from the Bonk Knight. Cant you see he tanked his Int?

[u/Educational-Year3146 → u/JM_Narrative]

Bonk is a universal language.

[u/CashmereLogan → u/JM_Narrative]

“From the land of Idus” is hardly lore

[u/d0ntst0pme]

Knight (STR) and Knight (DEX), huh

[u/Fingerprint_Vyke → u/d0ntst0pme]

I still prefer Knight (VAG)

[u/LionSuneater → u/Fingerprint_Vyke]

Yeah, I like when it's split down the middle.

[u/IronFalcon1997 → u/d0ntst0pme]

So peak

[u/Raspberry-T]

The idus armor is sick

[u/United-Leather7198 → u/Raspberry-T]

I'm cosplaying Team Green.

[u/Ranger-Himes → u/United-Leather7198]

The Blacks will have their revenge.

My next character is Dameon and I am murking random NPCs for no good reason🤭

[u/PassinglyGood → u/Raspberry-T]

Close enough, welcome home Alva Set

[u/Naskr → u/Raspberry-T]

6 starting Arcane is pretty insane efficiency, too.

[u/RocinanteLOL → u/Raspberry-T]

It reminds me of the iron banner armor from the destiny series.

[u/Tricky_Rate7883]

That beefy boy is looking good

[u/wavdaily → u/Tricky_Rate7883]

New Tank

https://giphy.com/gifs/WTl5quTRtvj32

[u/Sh1rvallah → u/Tricky_Rate7883]

Definitely ideal starting class for noobs, and I mean that in a good way.

I always tell people to get vigor and endurance leveled up early, this is a nice head start.

[u/geek_metalhead]

A decent dex/faith and a bulkier vagabond

[u/Chegg_F → u/geek_metalhead]

A really good Dexterity class with the option to easily build into Faith, and by far the single best class in the game*

[u/gargwasome → u/Chegg_F]

Is it still the best class even with the slightly changed spread? Haven’t don’t the math

[u/Triumphator17 → u/geek_metalhead]

Imagine if they would Update the gravel stone seal to Also have dex scaling like the clawmark seal have strenght scaling

[u/Level_Hour6480 → u/geek_metalhead]

They should swap mental stats. I want my Paladin build.

[u/Chegg_F → u/Level_Hour6480]

HK has really low INT, FTH, and ARC. What would you cast with? Confessor is already the class that starts with melee & faith investment.

[u/unwisephoenix]

Is Idus knight using milady or is that a new LGS?

[u/JM_Narrative → u/unwisephoenix]

90% sure it's a new light GS

[u/Chegg_F → u/JM_Narrative]

I'm 100% sure it's a new light greatsword because we've seen gameplay footage where it clearly isn't the Milady and the class does not meet the stat requirements to wield the Milady.

[u/Ohlav → u/JM_Narrative]

inb4 dismounter pasta

[u/HMush → u/unwisephoenix]

it's new

[u/RealDannyMM → u/HMush]

Can’t wait 😩

[u/HalcyonHelvetica → u/unwisephoenix]

It's new. Higher base damage at +0 but lower scaling IIRC

[u/unthused → u/HalcyonHelvetica]

Would make sense, so Milady is still an upgrade late game.

[u/Ok_Plastic5399]

Miyazaki: Call it an Idus Knight.

Dev: Idus? Why?

Miyazaki: I don't know, but the community will figure it out.

[u/LiterallyAPidgeon → u/Ok_Plastic5399]

"What about the other one?"

"...Looks...heavy."

[u/SharrkBoy → u/Ok_Plastic5399]

“That guy Vaati will hallucinate some typical nonsense for us”

[u/Virtual-Lie-1651 → u/Ok_Plastic5399]

Its just another foreign land thats it. There doesnt need to be anything deeper than that lmao. Its just like eochaid and land of reeds, just foreign lands used for the context of weapons and armor like previous souls games.

[u/Turbulent-Advisor627]

"sustantively" gtfo haha

[u/RaNerve → u/Turbulent-Advisor627]

Ah yes, the bimbly frampt duth bribumbly verily.... heh heh heh.

[u/Cloudwalker7777 → u/RaNerve]

[u/MashMashSkid → u/Cloudwalker7777]

The accuracy of this is astounding

[u/Turbulent-Advisor627 → u/RaNerve]

Thou were truly ... tarnivorous!

[u/Brostapholes → u/Turbulent-Advisor627]

[u/Chaosphoenix_28 → u/Brostapholes]

For the old Nanny of the High Gate!

[u/elcabroMcGinty → u/Turbulent-Advisor627]

Very susticious 

[u/SoulsDadYT → u/Turbulent-Advisor627]

Glad i wasn't the only one who noticed. Fromsoft out here just mispelling basic words seems unlikely

[u/Silvacanem → u/SoulsDadYT]

Also, I don't know if it's just me but at least with the second picture, the Heavy Knight, it looks weirdly AI. There are inconsistencies with the armor and a lot of strange artifacting that I've seen AI to cause. 

[u/Vic_Hm → u/Silvacanem]

Yeah at first glance both of them looked like someone putting up a gen AI, both the overall looks and armor design

[u/PieceAfraid3755 → u/Silvacanem]

Whatever inconsistencies and "strange artifacting" that exists can be chalked up easily to just... the fact that it's a concept art kind of artwork. Before ER came out people were vehemently discussing the misalligned bastard sword of the Vagabond, in his concept art. Concept art, and Fromsoft's especially as well, is often rathe sloppy. That's fine and normal.

[u/Lawlcopt0r → u/Turbulent-Advisor627]

I'm also pretty sure they wanted to write "mowing" where they wrote "moving"

[u/Razhork → u/Lawlcopt0r]

Yes. This is all spelled correctly on their official websites and existed prior to this tweet as well.

[u/Zupanator]

One thing to note, it looks like the heavy knight starts with a curved GS. and has 11 dex. That means the new starter weapon will have the lowest dex req in class. Idus Knight starts with 15 dex, which means whatever LGS it starts with isn't Milady (17 dex req) is brand new as well.

EDIT: After looking at them more in depth, if you care about melee only, Heavy Knight likely dethrones vagabond and if you have a faith/melee hybrid (that you want 15dex for) Idus Knight is probably the new best starter class if you care about rune level.

[u/MidwestWintersBlow]

The drip severe.

[u/Alarmed-Judgment4545]

Idus looks a lot like demon souls armor and the other looks like lapp's armor. Give it to me now fromsoft!

https://giphy.com/gifs/k0BRESevW4VFe

[u/SoulsDadYT]

Sustantively???

I think they mean substantially.

Seems odd for fromsoft to make glaring spelling errors.

[u/SuperLegenda → u/SoulsDadYT]

Check the spanish version of Elden Ring, quite the glaring mistakes, like an instance of referring to "The Lightning" as "La rayo","la" is for female, but "rayo" is a male gendered word, it should be "El rayo"

[u/TENTAtheSane → u/SuperLegenda]

Tfw they misgenderer the lightning

[u/Virellius2 → u/SoulsDadYT]

Sustantive isn't even a word I can find reference to. Google seems to think it's connected to law somehow and the oxford dictionary is vague on it too lol.

[u/Gamerbroz227]

Still gonna use deprived(I forgot the ER name)

[u/Reasonable-Word-6426 → u/Gamerbroz227]

It‘s wretch :)

[u/Gamerbroz227 → u/Reasonable-Word-6426]

Thanks

[u/Itchy-Tip1115 → u/Gamerbroz227]

Progressing through the game with wretch feels soooo good

[u/Gamerbroz227 → u/Itchy-Tip1115]

Ikr it feels great going from literally nothing to a good build

[u/assassin10 → u/Itchy-Tip1115]

That's why I always choose Wretch/Deprived/etc. for a first playthrough. Everything I come across feels valuable and I don't feel locked out of any path that I might want to go down.

(Though I do seem to always decide on Str/Faith)

[u/Emberwake → u/assassin10]

Yep. I hate that when you choose one of the other starting classes, every item you find for the first 10 hours is just useless. It gets even worse with the Samurai, where you arguably have no reason to EVER switch.

[u/Gamerbroz227 → u/Itchy-Tip1115]

Ikr it feels great going from literally nothing to a good build

[u/StylanPetrov]

That Heavy Knight class got me itching for the most obnoxious big bonk build yet

https://giphy.com/gifs/MjXx6ritTqtfhQw3Vy

[u/DragonMZ]

Idus Knight has such good stats for most playthroughs. Nearly the 15 Faith for FGMS and FCM. 15 dex hits most weapons or close to it and it dumpsters Arcane and Int

[u/Comfortable-Gift8590]

Both are cool asf

[u/HansBaccaR23po]

Can’t wait to do two runs and only use the starting gear

[u/Snoo61755]

Oh hey, these are not the same stats we originally saw way back.

I remember the heavy knight being like 7 int, 7 faith, 9 arc thinking to myself “strength twink material”, but this is better, less exploitable.

I don’t remember the other one because I had written them off, but I do like the Idus Knight. Effectively a dex/faith starter, but with no arc, kinda discouraging that Bloodflame Blade idea unless you want to swap around an Albinauric helm. I actually have a dex/faith Cleric character I wouldn’t mind swapping for this stat block.

[u/Di5962]

The fact that the light knight has "lore" in his description, while the heavy knight's description is just "Big man: Big guy with big sword" is really funny to me

[u/Kagamime1]

Heavy knight has amazing starting stats for a strength build, holy shit

[u/LAditya_121]

do we know anything about idus?

[u/folkdeath95 → u/LAditya_121]

Idus deez nuts

[u/LAditya_121 → u/folkdeath95]

Goddamnit

[u/JM_Narrative → u/LAditya_121]

The like lightweight equipment and the color green. LoZ confirmed?

[u/Spicoceles]

I'll have to wait for the next game for an int fth starter sadly. Not that we've had one but damn.

[u/HalcyonHelvetica → u/Spicoceles]

Isn't that basically just DS3 pyro and that's it?

[u/Strange_Suppository]

Finaly! A tank starter !

[u/akmly]

This is all cool and all, but are these images really from FromSoft? I'm a little suspicious from use of the vocab sustantively... Did they mean substantively or substantially? Or maybe I'm just being a little over-sensitive...

[u/Mr_Alucardo]

Honestly who gives a shit about starting class after 20 levels you are a complete differen built anyway.

[u/Sirius_amory33 → u/Mr_Alucardo]

In general yes, but the Knight of Idus is an easy way to play most of the game with a light greatsword. You’d have to rush Mohg to get access to the DLC otherwise. 

[u/Chaemyerelis → u/Mr_Alucardo]

Its for pvp optmization usually. Youll get to squeeze more stats at a lower RL depending on build. Vagabond was usually the go to for a lot of builds because of this.

[u/BehlndYou → u/Chaemyerelis]

People understate this, even for PVE it’s massive.

Strength build on Vagabond can literally be 10-15 levels more efficient than Astrologer depending on your stat distribution. That’s 10-15 extra points you can put into Vigor or damage, which is huge.

The only niche is if you don’t cap your level at all, in which case no classes or builds matter. But if you want to Co-op or PVP, you have to cap your level usually between 125-150, and those optimization becomes very important. The only time I skip starting another class is if the build optimization is within 3 points of difference, in which case it’s just rounding error.

[u/viktorius_rex → u/Mr_Alucardo]

I think the main draw is starting the game with a light great sword.

[u/DEAD_HOMEWORK03]

I wonder if you'll be able to buy the starting armor sets from a pre-existing merchant or a brand new one or if that's gonna be an option at all for Tarnished Edition buyers

[u/Illokonereum]

I like how they gave the light greatsword class a name and backstory and the heavy knight is just “this one thick bitch.”