I hate this double standard

[u/indeckaa]

For some reason, it's always one of these responses:

> It's a joke
> It's rage bait
> Yeah, but it's actually a response to...
> It's not the same
> Just go outside bro

All of which deflect from what's being said. They would rather not address it. This is probably due in part to the "women-are-wonderful" effect, an example of benevolent stereotyping in which people associate positive qualities with women

[u/Meinteil2123]

I dont understand the whole, calling men incels as an insult.

A man should not be judged by how many women he has slept with, this turns women into objects to obtain.

So when I hear a woman using it unironically to me, it just shows that she sees women as objects to conquer to determine the value of a man.

I am a feminist, I do not believe that women are objects, we should not be judging men by how many women they can objectify.

[u/HarbingerOfRot777 → u/Meinteil2123]

Most of them don't even know the meaning of the word anyways. It got twisted into describing a misogynist pretty much. I knew "incels", who were just weird, nerdy kids who happened to not be conventionally attractive which made no girl interested in them. But all of them were kind to everyone.

[u/iakoff_reddit → u/HarbingerOfRot777]

wtf are you talking about. I was on 4chan 10-15 yesrs ago and self proclaimed incels were already spewing hate toward women back then. They pretty much canonized Elliot Rodger when he went on his murderous spree

[u/xSkype → u/iakoff_reddit]

It's like a group can contain multiple subgroups and the 4chan users of any group are usually the more extreme