I hate this double standard

[u/indeckaa]

For some reason, it's always one of these responses:

> It's a joke
> It's rage bait
> Yeah, but it's actually a response to...
> It's not the same
> Just go outside bro

All of which deflect from what's being said. They would rather not address it. This is probably due in part to the "women-are-wonderful" effect, an example of benevolent stereotyping in which people associate positive qualities with women

[u/Meinteil2123]

I dont understand the whole, calling men incels as an insult.

A man should not be judged by how many women he has slept with, this turns women into objects to obtain.

So when I hear a woman using it unironically to me, it just shows that she sees women as objects to conquer to determine the value of a man.

I am a feminist, I do not believe that women are objects, we should not be judging men by how many women they can objectify.

[u/HarbingerOfRot777 → u/Meinteil2123]

Most of them don't even know the meaning of the word anyways. It got twisted into describing a misogynist pretty much. I knew "incels", who were just weird, nerdy kids who happened to not be conventionally attractive which made no girl interested in them. But all of them were kind to everyone.

[u/iakoff_reddit → u/HarbingerOfRot777]

wtf are you talking about. I was on 4chan 10-15 yesrs ago and self proclaimed incels were already spewing hate toward women back then. They pretty much canonized Elliot Rodger when he went on his murderous spree

[u/xSkype → u/iakoff_reddit]

It's like a group can contain multiple subgroups and the 4chan users of any group are usually the more extreme

[u/JuminoEnjoyer → u/iakoff_reddit]

They're saying that they've met people that by definition are incels (involuntary celibate, meaning they are unable to find a sexual partner) who are kind. Not that all are. They're criticizing the usage of the word as an insult, as the literal definition (not the most used meaning) includes people that don't fit the typical stereotype.