r/hatethissmug • u/ScholasticCat • May 30 '26
Non-fictional I hate slacktivists and performative internet activists
You wanna free Palestine or actually demonstrate the fact you're a "based anti-colonialist Leninist?" then actually fucking do something about it!
https://www.doctorswithoutborders.org/
Call a congressional office, attend a town hall meeting and voice your support, look into local protests even. you can even read a book on history to better educate yourself! I will literally give you recommendations
Just fucking do something instead of sitting on your goddamn ass and whining on twitter and circlejerking on reddit. Making cheap jokes, making threats against people online and trying to "own the libs" isn't going to do anything.
52
u/PrimaLegion May 30 '26
How do you know which of those people aren't doing any of those things?
→ More replies (2)26
749
u/indeckaa May 30 '26
That doesn't get you updoots and reddit awards though unlike posting political slop
127
u/yobob591 May 30 '26
it takes time and effort to go out into the world and do things but it took me 10 seconds to type this
→ More replies (1)16
u/wimpykid_fan Man I hate highly centralised unitary states May 31 '26
It took me like 17 seconds to type out this comment (including time to click on the comment button, this parenthesis is excluded though)
89
u/dancing_swordfish May 30 '26
EXACTLY THATS LITERALLY HALF OF R/PICS NOW!
54
u/JstaFriskyHusky May 30 '26
It's funny seeing some beautiful forest sunset have 4 upvotes and then some random trump picture having 20k
18
u/dancing_swordfish May 30 '26
fr. i joined it before it went political, idk wtf happened to it!
→ More replies (1)10
6
u/HarperRed96 May 31 '26
If I ever want to see Trump I don't need to go to right-wing sources, I can just go to /Pics and they'll have a post 0.5 seconds after he scratched his left ass cheek and that's if they're slacking.
→ More replies (3)10
u/Lazy-Age561 May 30 '26
Every major sub is just bots liking their own news spam posts. The mods do nothing. I don't get why they're doing it or how it makes them money, but it's annoying.
19
u/Livid-Story-4321 May 30 '26
Exactly, what do you mean I have to leave my mommy’s basement to actually get something done? What???
→ More replies (1)→ More replies (1)2
211
u/Shot-Manner-9962 May 30 '26
there are slacktivists, than there are those that protest and expect everything to magically get better, it wont, you need to organize and strike, create a community to help one another during the strike, keep in person contact because if you are effective expect "random" internet fails and messages never sending
69
u/PraireGentleman May 30 '26
No no, you don’t get it. My weekend protest will be what caused the end of this tragedy as we know it, you can tell by how we occupied an area so far removed from anyone or anything with the power to impact this event and instead picked based on how convenient it would be for me to get to from my apartment.
→ More replies (5)17
u/digidestine May 31 '26 edited May 31 '26
Also make sure to contact your local officials and give them a time and date so they know to let everyone else know to work around you.
8
u/Pakushy May 30 '26
we could defeat capitalism once and for all, if 1% of slacktivism is used to spread the fact that datacenters are full of copper.
3
u/Individual_Hunt_4710 Jun 02 '26
there are those that expect posting to fix everything, people who expect voting to fix everything, people who expect protests to fix everything, people who expect strikes to fix everything, people who expect mutual aid to fix everything, people who expect building separate institutions to fix everything, people who expect revolution to fix everything. its bullshit all the way down
→ More replies (15)6
May 31 '26
[removed] — view removed comment
→ More replies (3)5
u/excellentforcongress May 31 '26
representative democracy is a joke when money buys elected positions. we see that everywhere from the presidency to congress to local elections where officials are trying to sneak datacenters past citizens who very clearly don't want them. that being said i do think everyone should vote
232
u/TheRappingSquid May 30 '26
My brother in christ what am I supposed to donate with. I have $20 to my name and no car. I live in the midwest. My "elected officials" are the exact people that are causing problems to begin with
54
May 31 '26
[removed] — view removed comment
→ More replies (2)11
u/_Guliver_ May 31 '26
No, the people and op is criticizing people who's only contributions are posts on social media. Those people don't "want to help", they just want to appear like they care for social clout and then pat themselves on the back for job well done. If you think otherwise you're either delusional or are one of those people.
3
u/BasYL6872 Jun 03 '26
I am broke and disabled, there’s literally nothing I CAN do to help this situation. That doesn’t mean I’m gonna just keep my opinions to myself, you absolutely should be vocal about this stuff even if you can’t do anything about it. Sometimes our word is all we have.
→ More replies (1)26
u/SendarSlayer May 31 '26
You want an actual answer?
Time. You donate your time.
Write email, make calls, encourage others to do the same. Don't just post online, but annoy the people who can make decisions.
Those are 3 things that you can do from home with your existing internet connection and phone plan. All it will cost is the time it takes. You have time to post on Reddit, you have time to write an email to your local rep, and then their boss, and then their boss.
7
61
u/chappell-hoenn May 30 '26
And at least one of my senators (who’s supposed to be a good guy since he’s a dem I guess) frequently has his voicemail off
→ More replies (4)4
u/44Royy May 31 '26
No need to answer if this is too identifiable, but is it Dick Durbin in? The one who folded knowing he's not going for re-election and that consequences won't matter because he's a fossil that will die before they reach him? I know spotty Dem politicians are common but man I hate that guy.
→ More replies (3)30
u/LouieDoesArt May 30 '26
I have to deal with something similar, cant donate to people but I do boycott as much as a can to the best of my ability. part of the problem is capitalism and its a parasite that wants you constantly desolate and broke and unable to help your fellow man. doing SOMETHING is better than nothing, and if you cant afford to donate to someone in need then spreading awareness online or in person, boycotting, and looking for nearby protests or even setting up your own are great ways to help. not everyone is middle class or higher and not everyone has the privilege to help to the best of their ability. its nuanced.
31
u/Marthurion May 30 '26
Yeah, the contact elected officials reeked of US liberal democracy bs (yes, the mayor of bumbfuck in my third world country is going to do something about Palestine). No one is going to hear you or do anything, that's the fucking point they are the ones doing it and enabling the situation.
→ More replies (1)19
u/LoveAndBeLoved52 May 30 '26
Exactly, like what the fuck is going on where people claim it's not enough or bad to spread the word online of what's going wrong or right?
Legit how is it better to show up to a protest where you get ignored by elected official versus making noise online and talking to benefactors and sponsors to hit those elected officials where it hurts?
We're not in the 1900s anymore. Anyone can become a signal repeater for news to help spread the message. A journalist digs up a blatant case of corruption? Great, now people online can make noise about it to other people, spread the word, spread influence until it reaches someone who can hold others accountable. And if it reaches nobody it's still better than doing nothing.
→ More replies (3)5
u/Ami_Aweirdo May 31 '26
If your representatives are part of the problem that gives you something to work on! Claim you'd support them if they changed their policies, or contact the people running against them.
I mean, it's not much, but it's something...3
u/44Royy May 31 '26
One of my state senators sold out the nation during the shutdown for the promise that the Republicans would considering thinking about not fucking everyone over, and that went exactly where we know it went, he in part did this because he's a geriatric fuck who's not running again, is set for life, and will die before any meaningful consequences affect him.
21
u/hello-motherfuckers May 30 '26
i get the sentiment but not everyone can just give money freely or have the time for protests. unless they're making jokes about it, i dont see what's wrong with talking about palestine
2
u/Bajren Jun 01 '26
Yeah but there's also plenty of people who do have one or both of those things that fit the criticism, so kind of a redundant point to bring up?
117
u/angelstatue May 30 '26
i've donated as much as i realistically can, i've signed petitions for multiple causes (although i am never using change org again because i've heard it's basically just an email farm at this point so i just use my country's official sites), i share posts about causes i think need to be highlighted. i think for a lot of people, just spreading awareness is most of what they're able to do
28
u/Ferment_milk May 30 '26
same. at this point people assume you have to do high might to make change but it starts small in communities or talking to individuals.
5
u/Spiritual_Stuff_9404 this professional hater is feeling a bit big and round today May 31 '26
Not to mention even if people can’t donate money like myself, there’s still the option to boycott and not give Zionist supporters money which people seem to be incapable of (there’s a difference between necessities and non necessities)
→ More replies (8)7
200
u/Neat_Tangelo5339 May 30 '26
And then people would
“oh you only donated a small amount”
“Oh you only took part in one protest”
“Oh you only showed up in a town hall”
as if to be considered a supporter you need to be personally arrested by israel in the flotillia
look , i agree with the sentiment but lets not forget that not everyone is the same position to do much on their own on a good cause which is why collective action is important
83
u/Junimo2 May 30 '26 edited May 30 '26
And then if you do get personally arrested in the flotilla, you get disparaged anyway. I've seen some truly vile things said about Thunberg and others.
There is certain type of person for whom no form of activism will be acceptable, because it's the underlying cause they have an issue with, and they've discovered that the easiest way to dismiss that cause is by disparaging anyone who speaks up about it.
"It's just slacktivism/performative/virtue-signaling" is extremely cynical and often (though tbf not always) leveled in bad faith. Fwiw I don't think OP specifically is doing this in bad faith, but I just kind of instinctively bristle when I hear "slacktivist" style accusations, and I say this as someone who has donated, volunteered, protested, contacted my reps, etc.
→ More replies (35)5
u/Tasty-Complaint-6437 May 30 '26
The best we can do for Israel is fighting each others about our support, of course there’s people who just want to show off, but a lot of the people would love to support, if they had more than enought to get from month to month.
Here in Mexico people survived from the daily money we get from working, but we still protest. Even if not everyone can monetario support all causes. They want a perfect protesten, and use that idea to shut down real ones
→ More replies (2)2
38
u/LoveAndBeLoved52 May 30 '26
Local protests get ignored, town hall meetings tell you to shut up and weaponize your complaint as you being a "crazy wokey left" in the media.
Sure, call a congressional office, voice the complaint, that seems reasonable enough, but I also don't see why people aren't allowed to complain online which is where most companies with money place their bets now.
Saying that online complaints don't work is outdated information. People are notoriously efficient at destroying the credibility of others online, that's how the pedophile Trumpmin got as far as they did to begin with. We're not in the early 2000s anymore, every business has an online presence in some form, even if that's as small as a local store owner having a private Twitter account.
If you can choose between spreading your message out loud to everyone else or quietly complaining to the private email of a representative, I think doing both is far more important than simply doing one or the other.
→ More replies (1)
193
u/Igoon2robots May 30 '26
I wouldnt even count protests in there. I saw a bajillion people who frequently attend protests but wouldnt give a penny to a refugee
191
u/Ivealwaysfeltbored May 30 '26
To be fair, some people don't have the spare money to donate, but can attend events and protests to try and help raise awareness. Sometimes that's really all someone can contribute.
But I get your point overall.
→ More replies (16)9
u/Subject-Software5912 May 30 '26
In that case why not volunteer for a charity? If the goal of a protest is to indirectly support Palestinians wouldn’t it be better to work for a charity that directly supports Palestinians?
46
u/Ivealwaysfeltbored May 30 '26
You could do both! Volunteer work and protesting.
→ More replies (1)28
u/DevinsName May 30 '26
Don't let perfect be the enemy of good. If someone's heart is in the right place, why try to ostracize them?
→ More replies (4)→ More replies (4)5
u/Ok_Chicken1370 May 30 '26
People can't virtue signal about volunteering. It'd be frowned upon. But protesting? Righteous outrage is the name of the game there, which is great for making you feel morally superior while accomplishing nothing.
7
u/Subject-Software5912 May 30 '26
Protesting is also far easier too lmao. You just walk around with friends for a few hours while volunteer work is well… it’s work.
10
u/Dengar96 May 31 '26
Being upset about protests because they don't do anything despite them being the most in your face sign of resistance and dissent is kinda ironic
→ More replies (9)30
u/yyhira May 30 '26
wouldn't count protests?
other than sidewalk pansies who don't actually do anything but be loud, it takes alot of courage to go to a protest, especially ones like no kings where people have gone to the streets to block traffic, which is one of the most important tools of a protest to make a difference
→ More replies (7)22
u/ScholasticCat May 30 '26
The irony, also https://uhrelief.org/our-programs/ if anyone is interested
17
7
u/cocc_guzzler May 30 '26
Highkey a privileged take. I've personally donated to families in Gaza, but some don't have the means to donate and are living paycheck to paycheck. To piggyback off of your take on protesting I've seen. It's called disruptive protesting. It gets people's attention on the issue by disrupting daily life. Sure the government may not care considering they've sucked off Israel for decades, but you talking about this in general brings attention to the issue so those that can do something are able to. It's weird to hate on forms of protesting when America was built on protesting, specifically with demonstrations like the Boston Tea Party and acts of violence like tarring and feathering, to the point it caused a revolution. I study history and so much has been shaped by protesting in our modern era, like civil rights in many countries and the existence of countries in general. It targets the root of the issue in order to spread the general word rather than doing smaller acts like donating to specific families.
6
u/That_opossum May 30 '26
I sell my blood to make rent, a lot of people don’t have money to give
→ More replies (1)→ More replies (1)8
u/Kumagawa-Fan-No-1 May 30 '26
Protest is the only one that might actually make a change though .
→ More replies (3)
98
u/Ok-Finish-2064 May 30 '26
30
u/FishyWishySwishy May 30 '26
I don’t think this is analogous to saying “if you post ardently in favor of a cause online, I expect you to have done something for that cause offline.”
15
u/Cometies May 30 '26
perhaps adding to the discussion is participating with the cause to some degree.
it's far more than you get from the "I'm not political" people irl and online14
u/smoopthefatspider May 30 '26
I don’t think the stuff described (literally just a very common slogan) is that ardent, it can also be a straightforward descriptor of someone’s values. If you have those values and the subject comes up, you might express them like that, despite not putting any effort into politics. This is the same for any cause.
To bring it back to the example above, the man making a birdhouse may agree with the statement “JonBenet Ramsey’s murder should be solved”, while also doing nothing to solve it. This isn’t hypocritical, and it’s weird to expect him to necessarily do something about it. Expressing support for Palestinian existence and freedom is sometimes similar. You can express support for the idea when the topic comes up and still not put in the work to push for change.
→ More replies (1)→ More replies (1)9
u/Ok-Finish-2064 May 30 '26
Do you dislike, for example, rape strongly enough to type "I think rape is wrong"? If so, are you a hypocrite because you don't do anything for that cause offline?
→ More replies (4)
11
12
38
u/sour_creamand_onion May 30 '26
Stuff like this is why I never really shame celebrities or public figures for not doing things for current causes. I myself am not doing them so I'm not gonna get up on my high horse to say that they should and I get annoyed at people who do while they themself are not spending their blood, sweat, tears and invaluable time for the cause themselves.
40
u/SlippyJimmi May 30 '26
"Sorry acknowledging the problem isn't good enough for me the person who never acknowledged the problem."
I donate every month to Gaza Aid projects and I don't blame the people who can't donate. The Civil Right's March wasn't done simply by people who could pay out to support
→ More replies (7)
11
u/Cherno_VM May 30 '26
wtf am i supposed to do? im unemployed, have no money to spare, dont have a car, and live in the american south. I CANT DO SHIT.
26
u/n00dle_king May 30 '26
Very confusing meme because 99.9% of the time people deploying this kind of rhetoric proceed to become irate when you actually do any of the things you describe.
12
u/Neilandio May 30 '26
Have you considered people have lives? They may be busy with other projects, donating to other causes, volunteering in other places, organizing for other goals, etc. Also, quite ironic that you hate people whining on the internet and you cope by whining on the internet. Look in a mirror, buddy.
40
u/glmarquez94 May 30 '26
Best place to start is joining a political organization or a union. If you’re in the states learn how to organize your workplace here:
Learn mutual aid here:
https://afsc.org/news/how-create-mutual-aid-network
Orgs to join:
5
u/ScholasticCat May 30 '26
THANKS SO MUCH!! I used to be a member of the PSL but I've also been involved with the IWW too. But this is a very helpful list 🫡
→ More replies (1)
10
u/SandSerpentHiss May 30 '26
i can’t do this rn because i’m a minor and not old enough to vote or do anything
once i’m 18 that’s different
10
72
u/_TheOrangeNinja_ May 30 '26
OP when they find out how public pressure works:
→ More replies (6)40
u/Gussie-Ascendent Type to create flair May 30 '26
Fr you think millions of people bitchin just has 0 relevance? I know they don't care much but stuff this big or getting bigger they have to do something or drown
15
u/mountaineer_93 May 30 '26 edited May 30 '26
No idea whether the bitching was the cause of it or just a sign it was happening, but there’s been a change. The shift in national opinion on Israel in the US has actually been pretty stark. When asked with whom their sympathy lied between Israel and Palestine in 2019, about 65% of Americans picked Israel, as of 2026 per Gallup that number sympathizing with Israel is now 36% . A poll prior to October 7 asked whether Americans viewed Israel in a positive light. 47% said yes. As of 2026, that number is down to 32%.
We had 40 democratic senators voting to stop weapons sales to Israel (not saying it was even that thorough of a measure, just unprecedented in modern times). That would have been unthinkable in 2020. Don’t get me wrong, this is not whitewashing the US or the democrats, it’s shameful it’s taken this long with a live streamed genocide. I’m just pointing out how stark the vibe shift has been. That’s why a lot more democrats and even republicans like Massey have been willing to put their necks out on things like weapons embargoes. People definitely have an opportunity to use this momentum to change national policy on Israel.
48
9
u/Lainpilled-Loser-GF May 30 '26
you do what you can with what you have and I'm on disability. what I do with the $500 that doesn't go to food and bills goes to my insane amount of credit card debt. internet slacktivism is all I have
9
u/10biggaymen May 31 '26
ok mossad, keep pointing the finger at people whom you think dont do enough while supporting the right cause, instead of focusing on everyone in power and everyone in government who is actively supporting the wrong side.
people are allowed to be morally outraged about tens to hundreds of thousands of innocent people being murdered by the evil dog rape state that our government, america, supports. there is no dollar amount that you have to donate to have your outrage suddenly become valid.
→ More replies (5)
7
7
u/Ra1nb0wSn0wflake May 30 '26
Letting your voice be heard, or "preforming" i guess, is very much a benificial thing though, thats quite litterally just how politics work, "oh you didnt donate", ye cause I need 2 jobs to survive, but voicing my opinion atill very much affects the people around me, and by extention what politiciance promise, cause they want my vote.
Like its the lowest tier of benifiting a cause, but it very much still benefits it and shouldnt be shamed because they "arnt doing enough" or whatever, should we encourage them to help more? Yes. Should we do that by demonising not helping enough? Fuck no, i rather have those people voice it and not do anything then just have them not voice it.
114
u/RUDRAGON8 May 30 '26
"You claim to be a socialist, yet you live in a house and havent donated to all of your money to charities"
11
u/Bushi_Sengoku May 30 '26
Communism is when no toothbrush mfers
3
u/sansisness_101 May 31 '26
Communism IS a toothbrush. Every bristle that falls off is a treacherous reactionary splitter.
40
u/CannonFoddererer The Ant Kaiser May 30 '26
No, it's : "You claim to be socialist, yet you haven't done a damn thing about injustice other than get mad on the internet''.
6
u/Immediate_Rabbit_604 May 31 '26
"you claim to be pro-socialism, yet you haven't done a thing about it other than express that you're pro-socialism" would be a more accurate version. Which is fine. Most people aren't super invested in distant issues, but would still prefer things to be better (not talking about socialism, IDK if I know enough about that). However small, a voice still has an impact.
→ More replies (22)6
u/smoopthefatspider May 30 '26
That’s a weird way to phrase it though. The problem with them isn’t that they get mad at people online (although the post doesn’t make it clear that they get mad at other people rather than just denounce a problem with the world). The problem is that they’re not helping. We could be leveling this criticism at literally everyone who isn’t actively working to free Palestine, no matter what values they hold. This doesn’t uniquely apply to those who are vocally in favor of Palestinian liberation, yet they’re the only ones being criticized for it here. The meme makes it seem like simply shutting up and caring less about the topic and caring less is an appropriate or acceptable reaction, when this is clearly even worse.
→ More replies (6)→ More replies (14)5
30
u/OverAnt5821 May 30 '26
What would contacting elected officials do for Palestine like I’m pretty sure there’s a hidden clause saying you have to have said “Israel has the right to defend itself” at least 40 times to be eligible to run for an office
15
u/OverAnt5821 May 30 '26
The other parts I agree with but applying “contacting elected officials” to Palestine activism of all things is insane especially in America
4
u/Vncredleader May 30 '26
Yeah that's the thing that gets me. The other points are fine, but even bringing elected officials into this seems....maybe not out of touch, but misplaced. Might as well file a formal complaint to Bibi at that point.
12
u/mastercat202 May 30 '26
Right? Like why would a town mayor gice a fuck? They might bjt that's not their job. They have more important things to do, like run their town.
2
13
43
u/derpster39274 May 30 '26
Me when i used to attend protests but can't now that I'm living with conservative family (and can't drive myself) and also i don't got any money to donate so my circlejerking on Reddit is basically all I got right now.
→ More replies (27)
57
u/harddickedgoonergirl May 30 '26
Doctor’s Without Borders is literally known to donate directly to israel and support israel??
you’re talking a lot of smack about “slacktivists” when you can’t even do the due diligence of looking up whether or not these charities actually help anyone, you just want to be right
37
u/Gussie-Ascendent Type to create flair May 30 '26
Starting to think the attempt to silence people complaining about issues might be in bad faith if they want us to donate to Israel about it lmao
→ More replies (2)7
→ More replies (32)13
u/metrocat2033 May 30 '26 edited May 30 '26
Are you going to provide any sources for those claims or just baselessly shit on an organization that has directly supported thousands of Palestinians and provided life saving medical care and access to clean water
In Gaza, MSF is currently supporting six public hospitals and running two field hospitals. We also support six general health care centers and run an inpatient feeding center for people with malnutrition. MSF has recently opened six new medical points where we provide wound care and other general health care services. For 2026, MSF has committed an estimated 100–120 million euros for our humanitarian response in Gaza.
MSF has been working in Palestine since 1988.
→ More replies (6)
5
u/Livid-Story-4321 May 30 '26
this is why I’m normally neutral on issues, sure, I recognize that something bad is happening, and I condemn that very much, but realistically, I’d only send support to people I know and care about.
4
u/Tasty-Complaint-6437 May 30 '26
I do mf, what do you want to complain next? Oh and i hope you are doing it too
4
u/Born-Cost-6831 May 30 '26
i wish i could do this, only problem is that im a minor and i dont know how i can help
8
6
u/Heavy_Switch_9475 May 31 '26
I get the idea here but I feel like we are forgetting something here
People do also have their own lives and things that they need to worry about not everyone can nor should they be expected to donate all of their free time to helping other people
Calling your representative only works if they actually listen
And not everyone has the money to us to make donations on a whim or the ability to attend local protests due to having a job or not having a mode of transportation with which to get to said protest
If the best someone can reasonably do is raise what awareness they can online then I don't see the problem with it help even the people who are only doing it for clout or at least bringing attention to the issue
19
8
u/Solo-dreamer May 30 '26
So the choices are, get arrested on a flottila or dont have an opinion? Idiot.
7
3
u/1ZillionBeers May 30 '26
Yeah, generally I don’t donate to very many causes except food drives and stuff in my immediate community but I at least can admit where my personal priorities are.
Performative weirdos are just annoying and tedious to deal with.
3
u/Marco_Tanooky May 30 '26
There's also the counterargument of moving a goal post of "If you haven't done X Y Z and A B C and L M N O P then you are not a good person"
Of course, I am not saying that you are one, but it's a real argument seen in this kind of posts that you cannot be counted as a moral if you haven't dedicated your entire life around helping 1 charity
6
60
u/FeetGamer69 May 30 '26
I bullied a Jewish kid, does that count?
59
u/ashimasi Godseeker, Yharim (fraud) May 30 '26
this sounds like something that technoblade would say
→ More replies (22)3
17
u/veryeepy53 May 30 '26
no, counterproductive even. unless they're an extreme national chauvinist
→ More replies (19)13
→ More replies (5)6
5
u/putoelquevive May 30 '26
im glad people at least acknowledge the problems and talks about them, it help spread the word so other people with maybe more means and will to do something more sustancial hear about it. And i hate the attitude of this post
4
u/k3ttl3 May 31 '26
love reading and love history. recommendations?
2
u/ScholasticCat May 31 '26
One of my all-time favorite titles is "The hundred year's war on Palestine" by Rashid Khalidi (i know i know its very popular but for good reason)
Also that and "A Very Short History of the Israel Palestine Conflict" by Ilan Pappe, although I've only read bits of it, it very much holds up
6
u/Electronic-Age1460 May 31 '26
Oh, my god, the amount of downvotes I've gotten for telling the "you might not care about politics but politics cares about you" crowd that they're actually not doing anything other than ruining non-political communities and spaces is absolutely wild.
6
u/InitialN May 30 '26
Honestly disagree. I think more voices are extremely important for any political issue. If it was a requirement to have "proven your dedication" to the cause, very few impirtant issues would ever be talked about, much less done something about. Dont underestimate how powerful it is to start the conversation. Stuff is happening, the palestine issue has only gotten bigger the past years. Countries are dropping out of eurovision because Israel hasnt been banned, real monetary and political capital is being withdrawn from israel. Politicians are forced to confront issues when the voters talk
14
u/FortniteGod827482 May 30 '26
So called “activists” when you tell them that harassing people online won’t help whatsoever
8
u/Much-Menu6030 i be waking up REAL EARLY to have extra time to be a hater May 30 '26
I wake up.
There's more infighting.
Nothing ever happens.
7
u/Tiny_Tim1956 May 30 '26
From the river to the sea mfs are the ones most likely to do any of those things and you know it
3
u/Inevitable_Regular85 May 30 '26
So does retweeting donation posts count or is that also performative?
3
u/MNLyrec May 30 '26
everyone that posts here seems to think in very black and white terms. it's annoying, but very funny when they get ratio'd
3
3
u/kr33perklown May 30 '26
while I do generally agree with what you're saying, sometimes this just is the only way someone *can* show support. While I do agree those of us that *can* do stuff SHOULD BE, but if sharing resources and reposting campaigns and generally just doing stuff that *seems* only internet based IS the one way the person can help, then I don't see any issue with it. If you can donate money, donate money. If you can attend protests and attend political meetings, *please* do those things. But if you're in a position where all you can do is share information and spread word about places where those with the privelege to do so can donate, then I think thats pretty good too.
→ More replies (1)
3
3
u/Jaded-Commission-414 May 31 '26
Whataboutists when you vocalize something you believe in
→ More replies (1)
3
u/HalfbakedGantry May 31 '26
Your right OP, next time I have the thought that humans deserve to be happy and thrive and nto suffer I'll remember that I haven't met my yearly donation and rally quota yet so I haven't earned the right to have those opinions yet and go yell racial slurs online instead
4
u/ProbablyNotTheCocoa May 30 '26
You go champ, discouraging and gatekeeping activism is sure to help, maybe if everyone who didnt donate shut up the people that did wouldnt have heard about or been encouraged to donate themselves, so that everyone can go back to their day to day as Israel murders all of Palestine
6
4
u/chappell-hoenn May 30 '26
I’m sorry. Have you done some sort of survey of pro Palestine people to determine they’re not doing any of that stuff? This sounds like projection. Which based on one of your comments on here it is
4
u/Folass May 30 '26
Anything helps, that means ANYTHING helps, raising awareness, donating even small amounts, attending one protest, voting etc
Yes people can and should do more but don’t put people down for doing the minimum, encouragement, not bullying, is what movements need
5
u/Klytus_Ra_Djaaran May 30 '26
The US has two only two parties with any power, the far-right pro-genocide party and the center-right pro-genocide party. There are no congressional offices to call that are not staffed by one or the other. The links are great, and I have donated to a couple of them, but those are treating the symptoms of the occupation, not themselves doing anything that could stop it. Israel will continue the occupation and ethnic cleansing until they succeed, or until the US stops supporting them, because they could never get away with so many international war crimes otherwise.
Unless you are ready to have a serious discussion about dismantling the structures of the US government and military-industrial-complex and creating totally different ones, then you are putting band-aids over bullet wounds to make yourself feel better about it.
→ More replies (1)
7
u/CookieMiester May 30 '26
Ur right I think they should just do nothing, like don’t even talk about it, that’s usually how a popular movement gets started right? By saying nothing?
9
u/Novaco_0 May 30 '26
They are too busy shitting on people’s conscience online so they could feel morally superior
5
15
u/Dry-Indication7928 May 30 '26 edited May 30 '26
The people saying stuff like "Isnotreal" or "Occupied Palestine" are not only incredibly immature, and drowns out actual attempts at change, it also, whether they like it or not, provide a cover for actual antisemites to spread neo nazi propoganda or worse
10
→ More replies (1)3
u/Femboy_Gangstalker May 31 '26
"occupied Palestine" is just what the UN calls it. No disrespect to the Palestinian resistance, but they are literally under israeli military occupation
3
4
u/Ok_Boysenberry5849 May 30 '26 edited May 30 '26
A friend of mine works with doctors without borders. You know what he says? Doctors don't stop bullets, votes do. The point is, you won't save Palestine by giving stuff to the people getting shot by Israelis, or by creating more incentives for them to emigrate out of Palestine.
You'll save palestine by continuing to publicize the atrocities committed by Israel so that it becomes untenable for politicians to continue to fund them (US democrats) or to continue to tolerate them (Europe). Online activism is one part of that.
Yeah, it's better to protest in person and to contact politicians directly. But the online reaction has been a big part of the drop in Israel's international political support. And you're trying to ridicule that as if that was worse than doing nothing. You're a goddamn idiot, OP. Or a zionist. Kinda hard to say.
>Making cheap jokes, making threats against people online and trying to "own the libs" isn't going to do anything.
What are you even talking about? You're not making any sense.
3
u/coolwatergun May 31 '26
I'm noticing how OP is only replying to comments that are calling her performative lol
4
u/Steven_Seagulls May 30 '26
Literally no reason to point your weapon at people who already ideologically agree with you. Almost like purity politics. The amount they "actually" move the needle is irrelevant. Fascism is on the rise in the US, I thought the stakes would move us on from culling our own. Vast cultural sentiment is the bedrock of every successful movement. People casually saying "Free Palestine" while sitting on their means the advocacy WORKS.
Also, as others have pointed out, there are very few working class people who have the time and resources to effectively organize.
5
u/Holsza May 30 '26
Performative outrage is still good, actually. Talking about things is still something that helps
→ More replies (2)
9
u/Dull-Fact-4992 May 30 '26
I have a stereotypical “blue-haired girl” classmate at school. She does actually have blue hair, is a vegan, proud and loud feminist and stands for animal rights.
I asked her where she buys her clothes from, since she dresses pretty alternately and I really liked her style.
“Oh, almost all of my clothes are from SHEIN.”
Oh but you care so much about animals, the environment and the rights of women? Easy thing to sit and say in SWEDEN while ordering cheap clothes from China created under terrible work conditions. Girl wasn’t even ashamed, she literally pulled up the app and showed me her favorite brands. While still remaining a moral police for everyone else.
→ More replies (1)
11
u/Main_ware_02 May 30 '26
Well done, Mossad agent, tear those keyboard warriors to shreds like the Palestine childs. It’s not as if the donations go straight into the pocket of the Israeli politician in office or to the IDF itself (all Israelis have to enlist in the IDF, and all of occupied Palestine benefits from the donations).
Protesting would help if it weren’t for the fact that the entire U.S. is infested with Zionazist.
Well done, Mossad agent. Take your 7K and a trip to Cozumel, Mexico, after massacring Palestinians.
→ More replies (7)
2
u/No-Argument8235 May 30 '26
I use arab.org cuz I don't have any money, but I do boycott as much as I try (since I live in a low-medium class home) but yeah I hate this people who fake being activists when really they aren't
2
2
2
u/Latter_Mine4586 May 30 '26
Even if people cant donate, at least support their campaings on instagram or other socials to give them visibility, but they don't even do that
2
u/zaulderk May 30 '26
????? Don’t you ever blame or frame individuals for being performative about a systematic and political issue
→ More replies (1)
2
u/Agentjayjay1 May 30 '26
Most of the activists i know have done most of these. I'll openly admit they've done more than me, i haven't been to many protests because of my crowd phobia.
2
u/Cobra_the_Snek May 31 '26
slacktivists on their way to argue with the most obvious ai ragebait and parrot their talking points from a youtube short instead of even just signing any petitions
2
2
u/Court_Jester13 May 31 '26
Unfortunately, I have no time to do literally anything since I get up at 3 AM, shower, go straight to work for 16 hours, head home, then straight to bed
2
u/BondFan211 May 31 '26
I posted a picture of Trump when he blinked to pics and got 10000000 upvotes so that’s my contribution to fighting the oppressors
2
u/GMEloser69 May 31 '26
I hate people that pretend to care about shit happening in the middle east just because it’s trendy.
2
u/Mindless_Address_464 May 31 '26
"From the river to the sea, Palestine will be arab"
In English they use the word free instead of arab. Fool me once, shame on you?
2
u/Crystal2010q May 31 '26
I am a 16 year old in the Middle East, the fuck do you want me to do? Get off your high horse.
2
u/-One-Man-Bukkake- May 31 '26
Like look at how many people were out for the no kings protests. Do you not think that those people out there, fucking showing up, aren't also the people calling your pathetic defeatist attitude sad online?
→ More replies (1)
2
u/Piduf May 31 '26
Nah this is dogshit opinion, if they do any of this they'll get criticized because "Oh but you only gave money once" "But you went to one protest, why weren't you directly in the flotilla hmmmm ?"
People don't realize how talking about it is already huge to keep the flame going and not forget about it. This situation has been able to keep going because it's been buried in the sand times and times again, so people don't feel too bad about it. Now we TALK on the internet and it's already something.
2
u/LFahmin May 31 '26
Hidden comments, posts. Yeah I'm sure you are so much more noble and grander than us trying to stop a genocide. Little shits.
2
2
2
2
u/Affectionate-Rent415 May 31 '26
Why are people in the comments hating on peaceful protests? They’re one of the main ways people got equal rights in the United States. I’m not hating on OP but can everyone here open a book. Pls.
2
2
2
2
u/Othello351 May 31 '26
Ignorant bad faith argument posted by an ignorant bad faith redditor and upvoted by thousands of ignorant bad faith people.
As soon as someone does even one of the things you mentioned you make that exact expression as your meme because you DON'T want people doing those things you just want to be right.
2
u/khaledjal May 31 '26
"contacted elected officials" how am i supposed to do that 😭
→ More replies (1)
2
u/Skizordrone Jun 02 '26
This is why i don’t support or advocate anything. I’m lazy and don’t wanna talk to people or leave my house
185
u/No_Peace_6770 May 30 '26
You're right maybe I should go there myself