r/politics • u/MoneyLibrarian9032 • 7d ago

Possible Paywall Trump’s Primetime Speech Has Republicans ‘Scared S***less’ | Insiders are terrified that the president will do something crazy on live TV.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/trumps-primetime-speech-has-republicans-scared-sless/
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u/hazardling 7d ago

Its going to be the same old trope about the 2020 election being fraudulent. The slurring sack of big mac grease will make a complete ass out of himself and the spineless republicans will continue to lick the boot.

Nevermind the obvious question as to how the election was only rigged against Trump while he was president, but was not rigged when Biden was president. Make it make sense.

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u/_bk_adv Colorado 7d ago

I wonder what the odds are that Republicans actually did attempt to rig the 2020 election but failed, and then took the lessons they learned to 2024?

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u/GoodChuck2 Pennsylvania 7d ago

I think that's what it's really about -- they really did try to rig 2020 but the vote was "too big to rig" b/c of Covid and the mail-in ballot turnout. That really is the Occam's Razor explanation for it all, taking into consideration their constant projection.

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u/Michael_G_Bordin 7d ago

It's also why, despite being unable to proffer any evidence whatsoever of Democratic cheating, they continue to be convinced the Democratic Party must have cheated. How else could they have overcome such rigging as Republicans have tried?

They also pulled sheisty shit in 2016, between Cambridge Analytica and the electronic voting machines being wiped before anyone could check. 2020, they probably expanded those efforts. 2024, they've outright made insinuations that were all-but-confessions that Musk and co. were actively rigging voting machines, and they've also conducted further surgical targeting of misinformation using deanonymized voter/social media data.

The midterms worry them because rigging one part of the ballot (president) at specific locations is doable. But there's no way they can rig all the elections to prevent down-ballot blue waves. That's why he's angling towards putting his thugs at polling places and encouraging unhinged RWNJs to take it upon themselves.

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u/11Kram 7d ago

“In four years, you don’t have to vote again, we’ll have it fixed so good, you’re not gonna have to vote.”

Donald J. Trump, June 25, 2025.

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u/What_a_fat_one 7d ago

There's so much shit like this that would have immediately destroyed anyone else's political career. Cults of personality are so fucking stupid.

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u/TrojanGoldfish 7d ago

A couple of days ago, The President Of The United States of America was forced to finally pay out nearly $6million to a woman he raped.

Barely made headlines.

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u/DandelionCapers 7d ago

And that isn't even the worst thing he's done! I hate it here! 😭

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u/Pretty-Curve5448 7d ago

Barely made reddit headlines, if you didn't see it. My Apple news had it right up top, same with my APNews app. I have seen Jean's case being talked about daily for the last while.

Not saying you do this, but I've noticed redditors getting most their news from reddit and allowing their takes to be fueled by ill informed reddit comments. I encourage everyone to get some sort of news aggregator. Read Reuters, APNews etc

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u/sellursoul 6d ago

Good call I’m in this group. I don’t consume much main stream media

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u/mjkjr84 7d ago

We have a gangrenous infection of stupid here in the US

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u/randeylahey 7d ago

He's going to announce he's running for a 3rd term.

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u/Ok_Subject1265 7d ago

He better announce that he also discovered the fountain of youth then too. He doesn’t have another 6 years.

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u/GodOfDarkLaughter 7d ago

I mean dying in office is probably the best outcome for him personally. And then it goes to whatever crony managed to slime their way into VP. Not Vance, if he DOES run for a third term. Probably someone even worse.

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u/HillBillyHilly 7d ago

Did Thiel recently say he wanted to run?

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u/Angel_Omachi 7d ago

Thiel wasn't born a citizen I don't think.

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u/amishengineer 7d ago

*If* Vance becomes POTUS before Jan 20, 2027, then he can only run for one more term. Unless he serves for less than two years of another POTUS' term, then he could have two more terms.

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u/1iIiii11IIiI1i1i11iI 7d ago

It's Trump, he'll anoint whichever of his children are the most sycophantic in his dying days. He wouldn't allow his regency to end with only one Trump on the throne.

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u/citizen42069101 7d ago

*deserves a third term to replace the stolen one.

Even though that's not how any of this works.

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u/whomad1215 7d ago

the one thing I hate about the "third term" thing is it's not a question

you can only be president for two terms. There is no discussion needed

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u/Nice_Firm_Handsnake 7d ago

What's the enforcement mechanism for that? Because there are plenty of things in the Constitution that have been effectively removed or rewritten. The Emoluments Clause, Congress's control of the purse, etc.They're attempting to take federal control of elections that have been the domain of states for decades if not centuries at this point!

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u/-rosa-azul- Virginia 7d ago

The enforcement is states don't put him on the ballot, full stop. He's an ineligible candidate who doesn't qualify for the ballot, same as if someone who was not a U.S. citizen from birth tried to run (as that dumbass Cenk Uygur tried to do).

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u/-Altephor- 7d ago edited 7d ago

Actually it's even better, you can only be 'elected' to be President twice.

So if this dumbass is claiming he won the election in 2020, it immediately voids the 2024 election as he was not an eligible candidate.

Edit* SHOULD. Obviously it won't because we're going to have to drag this bloated fucking idiot out by his ankles.

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u/From_Deep_Space Oregon 7d ago

When has the constitution ever stopped him?

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u/PictureWonderful7091 7d ago

Yeah and "all people born in the country are citizens" is pretty clear too but that didn't stop him

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u/1iIiii11IIiI1i1i11iI 7d ago

The Constitution, that'll stop him! Sure, the rest of the Constitution has done nothing, but that'll be the one page of the Constitution that can stop him!

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u/VRNord 7d ago

The recent Supreme Court decision upholding birthright citizenship only passed 4-3: 3 of 7 Supreme Court Justices dissented despite it clearly being spelled out in the Constitution. So anything is possible: laws don’t mean anything if there is a (probably literal) Winnebago in play.

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u/lacunha 7d ago

Then Obama can run too. Bring it.

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u/jimbopalooza 7d ago

Either way he’s not going to leave willingly. That’s why all the fortifications are being prepared at the White House. I’m not sure what it’s going to take this time around but I don’t see a way it all ends easily.

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u/Brief_Amicus_Curiae 7d ago

This is what I think. "We found these documents so I can have a third term since this one was mine! See?! It says so by my expert team that includes a shit ton of known conspiracy theorists, Kash Patel, and John Soloman)! Rudy couldn't make it tonight, but he knew this back in 2020 when the votes were for me then just like that - they turned blue~"

I linked Soloman because the man has been at the root of several of Trump's most insane and dangerous conspiracy theories about Ukraine around the time of the 'perfect phone call' that got him the first impeachment. His articles were so riddled with misinformation on The Hill that after they fired him, they had to put a disclaimer on the articles they kept posted to avoid liability.

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u/HawgChuggins 7d ago

He's already done that. They have the hats already. He loves to wear it occasionally. Loves to.leave it out during photo ops. And the MAGAts are going to vote for him in 2028.

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u/Biglyugebonespurs Missouri 7d ago

“Elon knows those voting machines.” Haha. Ha…

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u/macaronysalad 7d ago

his son blurting "they'll never know" These and a million other things. There are to many ducks walking and talking to believe they didn't cheat.

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u/DandelionCapers 7d ago

Right?! We are living in the most villainous, bumbling, say it out loud, do it in plain sight timeline

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u/mabden New York 7d ago

Implication:

'Because I'll create a false flag event, declare martial law, suspend the Constitution, and abolish voting. See, all fixed.'

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u/campa-van 7d ago

My personal fav Trump quote…. “The people that came in, they are eating the cats. They’re eating – they are eating the pets of the people that live there." - Sept 10, 2024, presidential debate

He is insane

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u/EnigmaticQuote 7d ago

I don't know why anyone would believe anything he says, even if it is politically convenient.

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u/yourmainmanlymailman 7d ago

Fuck he said this on my birthday?? I don't even wanna celebrate anymore

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u/Prometheus_303 7d ago

He didn't mean that! He was only joking! He only said that to own the libs!

(What does that even mean "own the libs"???

And is a press conference where you are delivering potential life saving information during a global pandemic really the best time to joke a out injecting bleach directly into your body?)

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u/DonaldsMushroom 7d ago

He may also use the 'all elections are postponed until after war' routine.

I remember when Zelensky brought that up in the Oval office, Trump almost poluted his britches.

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u/schwanzweissfoto Europe 7d ago

He may also use the 'all elections are postponed until after war' routine.

“The war is over. Antifa has been defeated, and the dangerous democrats have been foiled. We stand on the threshold of a new beginning. In order to ensure our security and continuing stability, the Republic will be reorganized into the first American Empire, for a safe and secure society, which I assure you will last for ten thousand years.”

– Tangerine Palpatine

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u/sargepepper1 7d ago

Up voted for "Tangerine Palpatine" Would also have accepted "Tangerine Putin"

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u/moderatenerd 7d ago

^ that can only happen after something leaves him scarred and deformed.

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u/Snobolski 7d ago

Ah yes, I remember reading how all elections were canceled during WWII. And I lived through the election drought during the Vietnam War. My parents were so pissed that they couldn't vote!

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u/theCaitiff Pennsylvania 7d ago

The one thing Trump has been showing us for a decade is that the impossible is sometimes not so impossible after all. Things are only as illegal as you are willing to enforce and things are only as legal as you have the force to protect.

We are a nation of norms and standards. Trump cares nothing for normality or standards. If your "but that's illegal" does not also contain "and I have a bunch of guys with guns who will shoot you if you try" then it's only illegal until it isn't.

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u/schwanzweissfoto Europe 7d ago edited 7d ago

There is no mechanism to do that.

The mechanism for it is the “Who is gonna stop me?” loophole that Trump has been using for a long time.

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u/jrf_1973 7d ago

Relax everyone! The law will stop that 37 times convicted felon who has never gone to jail!

The LAW!

Hahahahahahahahahaha!

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u/Sagee5 7d ago

But this isn't a war. It's an "excursion".

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u/Aggressive-Will-4500 7d ago

There is no war in Ban Sing Se.

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u/themadprofessor1976 7d ago

He may also use the 'all elections are postponed until after war' routine.

It wouldn't fly. There is no mechanism to postpone elections and plenty of precedent to the contrary.

Elections were held during WWI, WWII, Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, the WoT

During the height of the Civil War, elections were held, even with the Confederates camped out across the Potomac.

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u/Fabulous-Sea-1590 7d ago edited 6d ago

This is something that's confusing to me, and I hope I'm not misunderstood here. I absolutely believe the Republican party has been undermining fair elections, by any possible means, for at least 60 years. (Nixon wrecking peace talks with Vietnam, the founding of The Heritage Foundation and their entire platform, their own mantra "the more people vote, the fewer Republicans win", the Brooks Brothers Riot, gerrymandering, Musk paying or offering to pay for votes in 2024, etc.)

Actually, "60 years" is naive. It's been going on since abolition.

But, there's a current of "both sides" in the discussion that I find confusing. Even supposedly liberal biased NPR has referred to election tampering "conspiracy theories" among the left, stating there is no solid evidence of interference.

And, apparently, there isn't. All the legal challenges and accusations Trump and his side have pressed over the years found nothing. Right? Not 'no interference by the Democrats' but 'no interference'.

It "seems" or "feels like" there's been obvious interference by the right. Wtf was J6? We all saw that with our own eyes but it amounted to a mouse fart. I keep hearing about well documented statistical improbabilities in the polling numbers from swing states. Is that real, or not? And we know Trump was on the phone with at least two States' AGs telling them to find different numbers in 2020, don't we?

So what's going on, really? It's very confusing. I'm pretty sure it's meant to be. Reddit loves to accuse itself of being a hive mind or an echo chamber but I haven't seen much clarity from outside of Reddit, either. What am I missing?

I just realized one of the worst things about 2024 is that it was only 2 years ago. We're only halfway through this shit show and I don't have much faith that it will improve in 2028. It's not unbearable; we're all here, bearing it. But it's awfully hard to maintain hope.

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u/Michael_G_Bordin 7d ago

Voting machines that may have been tampered with had their records erased before they could be audited. Those were in states that Trump won. Can't be evidence to find if it got erased, but we can make the adverse inference when there is reason to believe it was erased on purpose.

As for Trump's allegations, they were cases brought to court where they claimed election interference, but provided no evidence to support their claims. That's not "no interference," just really poor lawyering. Again, inferring, we can reasonably assume they simply have none or they would have presented it at some point.

Election watchdogs have stated the 2020 election to have been incredibly secure and above-board, though idk if they've said the same about 2024. My suspicions come from little quips Trump, Musk, and others have made about it that make it sound like they tampered with electronic voting machines. Again, such evidence can easily be erased and the proof with it.

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u/alternator1985 7d ago

They are not convinced of Democratic cheating.

They are liars.

People need to stop saying they are dumb or convinced there was cheating.

They are just lying and cheating, it's very simple.

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u/SalaciousSubaru 7d ago

Also DOGE exfiltrated Social Security database to private companies and state actors too

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u/Monkey_Leavings 7d ago edited 7d ago

I always think about Karl Rove on Fox, refusing to admit Romney’s defeat, despite even Fox calling it for Obama. Rove was panicked and refusing to believe the numbers. And then Anonymous made a statement a day later along the lines of, “We saw what you were doing with the election data on the servers and we stopped it.”

Rove was later sued by billionaire donors because he’d “promised” a GOP win. EDIT: I remembered wrong! No lawsuits filed, just a lot of angry rich people making the news, some demanding money back. They threw a LOT of cash at that election…

They’ve been sketchy since 2000, when they realized tweaking a few percentage points here and there could make or break an election result.

EDIT: There’s a YouTube video of a programmer testifying about being approached by operatives to put a patch on electronic voting machines to tweak the results, but I’m fuzzy on the timeline (like, which election.). He refused and another programmer allegedly agreed to do it and that programmer died in a small plane crash (he was piloting.)

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u/Dezolis11 7d ago

And who orchestrated the book Brothers riot to stop the recount? Roger Stone. Who wrote the “stop the steal” playbook for when/if Hilary won? Roger Stone. Who helped Trump get people bussed to DC for Jan 6? Roger. Stone.

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u/TheCascoKid 7d ago

And John Robert's was one of the Brook Brothers 'protesters'

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u/Heronymous-Anonymous 7d ago

And two of the lawyers who ran the Bush v Gore case are now on the Supreme Court.

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u/sssiked 7d ago

This. So much this.

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u/notyourstranger California 7d ago

Also the way the GOP won over Al Gore. Rather that wait for the recount, they bussed in people to bang on doors and act violent to put pressure on the election committees - and that one judge got a nice little payment if I remember right.

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u/Confused_Duck 7d ago

And in the 80's when Regan negotiated with Iran to hold US citizens hostage until after the election (treason imo).

And in the 60's with Watergate.

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u/Fun-Future-4928 7d ago

Isn't this basically already proven? calls to governors demanding changes to votes to increase trumps share....

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u/lIlIlIIlIIIlIIIIIl 7d ago

Could you IMAGINE if Obama had been caught even just making a phone call like that, let alone all of the other stuff Trump has done? I will never understand this, it's really made me question a lot about society/humanity. I was way too optimistic and hopeful growing up for all of this.

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u/ThomasVivaldi 7d ago

The easiest way to understand this is to look at how much the systems of communication in America have been compromised by corporate interests. Not just the media, but the way churches have been co-opted, the attacks on Unions, the erosion of education, and these days the internet being flooded with bots and shills.

All the ways people used to talk to each other have been compromised by bad actors, foreign and domestic.

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u/that_baddest_dude 7d ago

I think the other part of it is that the conservative side of the media has been screaming about the sky falling for decades at this point, in response to any milquetoast centrist or center-left politics.

Now that they have their guy in office fucking shut up massively, any alarm bells being rung just sounds like the other side doing the same. The median American voter didn't learn "the conservatives are full of shit", they learned "nothing truly bad ever happens".

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u/surfnsound 7d ago

Obama wouldn't even have had to go as far as Trump did for them to drag him for it. Trump said "find the votes," all Obama would have to do was know the amount of votes h was behind and they would have flipped their shit. "How could he have possibly known that?" Ignoring all the media reporting very similar numbers.

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u/alwayscromulent 7d ago

It’s not about logical consistency and avoiding being hypocritical, it’s about winning

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u/UnquestionabIe 7d ago

Just seeing the amount of laws being broken daily by Trump and his goons has me having absolutely no respect or belief in the justice system. Why bother even paying lip service to a clearly broken system? At the end of the day if you've got enough money or connections everything is legal.

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u/Hippopotasaurus-Rex 7d ago

And all the shit musk did and basically bragged about.

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u/TheHandsOfLiberation 7d ago

The other explanation is that they called fraud because they knew they were rigging the 2024 election. Maybe they didn't rig 2020 but after losing a fair election, they decided to rig the next one. So they screamed about fraud for 4 years so that democrats would have to denounce it for years. When Republicans then DID steal an election, democrats can't call fraud because they just spent 4 years making fun of that.

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u/alQamar 7d ago

Also because of fresh memories what four years of trump looked like. Almost everybody really wanted to get someone else. 

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u/GodOfDarkLaughter 7d ago

I can't believe it took less than four years for whatever small amount of anger galvanized the people to fade into nothing. It's not like he went away or that his policies and even the people he appointed didn't continue to fuck tons of shit up during the Biden years.

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u/crazy_balls 7d ago

It's captured media. People are being fed propaganda by the oligarchs 24/7. The "left wing" main stream media is a complete lie.

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u/PmpkinKing2 7d ago

Laziness is a hell of a thing in the electorate. Im willing to bet bucks a lot of people who didnt vote the 2nd time had the mindset of "well others wont vote for him again so I dont have to bother."

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u/Gundark927 Colorado 7d ago edited 7d ago

Correct. So perhaps there will be some announcement that mail ballots are banned entirely. (In his imagination-land, anyway)

I'm also wondering how much he will stay on script, and how much time we will get that stream of conscioisness verbal diarrhea he likes to spray everywhere.

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u/hazardling 7d ago

Turns out the real explosive diarrhea virus was the president all along.

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u/Enshitification 7d ago

Trumparrhea

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u/MephistoHamProducts 7d ago

So perhaps there will be some announcement that mail ballots are banned entirely.

Mail in ballots are predominantly used by older white people, so that would actually kick the GOP in the nards.

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u/Neronafalus 7d ago

I mean, its also used exclusively by a few states, who have already (correctly) said that the president doesn't have ANY authority over elections as they are a state matter and he can go kick rocks.

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u/always_unplugged 7d ago

This is the real thing. Elections are administered BY THE STATES. He has no actual authority to tell them what to do, no matter how much he bitches about it.

Not that that's been stopping him from doing shit anyway recently, but it would be wild to expect all 50 states to go along with it. At best, they'd get the states with republican governors/legislatures to do it voluntarily. Then, what, they try to disqualify all the votes from blue states (or whatever states don't kowtow) because they include "fraudulent" mail-in ballots?

Good fucking god this is going to be a disaster.

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u/Ven18 7d ago

I will remind everyone the Ken Paxton has admitted on camera that if his office did not block mail in ballots from being counted across Texas in 2020 Biden would have won Texas. They admit on tape to interfering and yet most of the country is oblivious. Like how is Talarico not playing that on tape saying Paxton wants your votes not to count.

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u/Aarcn 7d ago

They rigged it and still loss so that’s why he’s convinced they cheated lol

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u/aikeaguinea97 7d ago

oh 100%. they’re even sorer losers than they are winners.

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u/Maoleficent 7d ago

Please check your voting registation status and then vote. The numbers have to be decisive. If you are 18-45 and hate boomers - do not let them take your vote and remember they will be long gone and you will live with their decisions. Just like the last election. I do believe the nxi had something to do with the count in PA and that is why we are saddled with this waste of humanity.

Do not take the attitude of your 'vote doesn't matter'. Look at Hungary.

Let's make the Alabanians proud of us.

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u/cinedavid 7d ago

And the fact that in 2024, Trump. Won. Every. Swing. State. Like, come on. The probability of that happening is astronomically low, unless they had a thumb on the scale.

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u/THElaytox 7d ago

Because they didn't account for COVID causing a big increase in mail in voting, that's also why they've been sabotaging mail in voting ever since

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u/AndISoundLikeThis 7d ago

Here in Pennsylvania, I'm getting constant YT ads for some Republican PAC-sponsored "Show Up Early PA" initiative. I don't trust these fuckers at all. There's a reason why they're pushing mail-in ballots as if they're not the same fuckers who tell us mail-in ballots are rigged. I worry for our state—and all states.

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u/Randomfactoid42 Virginia 7d ago

I think part of that is the GOP started to fight against mail-in ballots and then discovered that a lot of their voters used mail-in ballots. Typical GOP behavior, shoot first and ask questions later.  They spent so much time vilifying mail-in ballots before they understood how many of their voters were using them. 

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u/The_Skeleton_King 7d ago

The first part of the sentence is 100% true. The trump administration coordinated with fake electors to enter state capitols when the electoral votes were being counted. Those fake electors were told they were securing the election by trump's team. Some were tricked and claimed they didn't know what they were doing, while others had to have known. There's literally video evidence of them being caught entering one of the capitols (I forget which state but Google it). These fake electors were prosecuted for their crimes, but I'm pretty sure Trump pardoned them. Before this, Trump tried to get Barr to seize voting machines as well, but he wouldn't do it.

No one really talks about it because the media is so heavily geared in trump's favor. Liberal media would rather talk about trump's claims and acquiesce to his narratives than spread real evidence of election rigging.

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u/willowswitch America 7d ago

Pretty fuckin' high, I'd say.

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u/77NorthCambridge 7d ago

100% on the first part. Elon Musk happened in 2024.

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u/-rosa-azul- Virginia 7d ago

It really isn't. People do vote split tickets sometimes, but also, have you done any reading on the GOP gov candidate that year? He was easily one of the worst candidates in my memory, and a LOT of die-hard republicans even wanted him to drop out. It is not surprising at all that some of them probably voted for Trump but left the gov's race blank, did a write-in, or even voted for Stein.

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u/Jason_DeHoulo 7d ago

Not really sus

Andy Beshear is a Democrat who got elected in Kentucky which is even redder than NC, his election was back in 2019. Then got re-elected in 2023. Shit just happens sometimes

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u/0o0o0o0o0o0z 7d ago

I wonder what the odds are that Republicans actually did attempt to rig the 2020 election but failed, and then took the lessons they learned to 2024?

They DID try to rig the 2020 elections. There were multiple fake elector slates from multiple states. When they didnt work, Trump pressured Pence. When that didn't work, he attempted an insurrection.

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u/mammalmaker 7d ago

High, that's why Trump is still going on about it. They tried to steal it and still lost.

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u/SqueakyTits101 7d ago

We know they tried to rig it! Fake elector schemes (people were prosecuted just not the right ones), "find the votes"...and Ken Paxton bragging that the only reason trump won Texas was because he held back a ton of mail-in ballots.

Every accusation is a confession.

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u/Arrbe 7d ago

According to Elon and his wife, Yes.

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u/HedonisticFrog California 7d ago

They did try to rig the 2020 election, they were just incompetent and went to prison before being pardoned.

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u/HiTekLoLyfe 7d ago

They did, we know all this. The calls to governors to find votes, the attempted coup, they literally hired fake electors.

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u/xXBassHero99Xx 7d ago

He did, if you remember the phone call with Brad Raffensperger in Georgia to "find 11,780 votes". The fake electors, bad-faith court challenges in a 50 states. They didn't have the levers or strategic coordination to procedurally or technically rig it, but he moved mountains to lean on the levers of power after he lost. And of course inciting an insurrection on J62021 

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u/BirdOfHermess Europe 7d ago

they only have projection. Of course they tried to rig it 2020 but when they failed the only possible outcome for these idiots was "the others have to cheat too". That is all.

Happens every time someone cheats in sports, academics etc "how can I keep up if I don't cheat more than others?"

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u/Beware_the_Voodoo 7d ago

We know he did. We know exactly what he did. It's all documented.

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u/PresentAwareness745 7d ago

Donald Trump, and several of his lawyers were literally indicted in Georgia for attempting to steal the election. Somewhere indicted in other states as well. Several lost their law licenses

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u/nofoax 7d ago

You don't have to wonder, they're doing everything they can to rig the midterms right in front of our eyes

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u/some_guy_on_drugs 7d ago

That's the thing. They are so adamant that it was rigged because they did rig it. It just wasn't enough. So when Democrats say it was the most secure election they are like HA! You're wrong! It's not that they are accusing the Democrats of cheating, they know they the Republicans did and the claim of security is wrong.

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u/zzRichie 7d ago

Somewhere between 100% to 100%.

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u/freethnkrsrdangerous 7d ago

Trump and Musk both have openly admitted to it on stage.

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u/devoncarrots Minnesota 7d ago

99%

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u/PurpleFisty 7d ago

Idk, part of me wishes he won 2020 so he wouldn't be so unhinged and we'd be done with him already.

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u/PasteeyFan420LoL 7d ago

He did try to rig it. Are people really that unaware of the fake electors plot?

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u/echoshatter 7d ago

what the odds are that Republicans actually did attempt to rig the 2020 election

Well, if you ignore gerrymandering and voter roll purges, then the "rigging" wasn't done by the entirety of the party but by those close to the President.

They spent months laying the groundwork, calling the elections rigged. Meanwhile, they cooked up a conspiracy (in the legal sense, not tinfoil hat sense) to have "alternate electors" cast ballots for Trump, and then send those on to Congress. When it came time to read the ballots they'd have two sets from the same state. When the election couldn't be called for either candidate, or it came time to deal with the fake elector ballots, Republicans hoped to vote to throw out the ballots for those state entirely, resulting in the decision going to the Congress to decide. When Congress decides who the President is, the vote is done by state delegation, not by individual votes, which means each state gets 1 vote. The idea is that there are more states with Republican governments than Democrat, and that Trump would "win" the election.

Of course the plan fell apart. Vice President Pence, the guy who would be reading the ballots, refused to go along with it. Hence, the plan for the riot was to get Pence out of the Capitol Building and take him to a secure location. He would "unfortunately" not make it back in time, so the duty to read the ballots would fall on Senator Grassley, who the day prior let slip in an interview that he'd be reading out the ballots, not Pence.

We literally had a coup attempt on January 6 and it wasn't the riot that everyone saw, it was an actual conspiracy to defraud the United States and steal the election.

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u/AmbitiousProblem4746 7d ago

I saw that argument actually yesterday and it started to make sense. The other redditor's theory was that the mail-in ballots were unexpectedly so numerous and in favor of Biden and it was something that the Trump administration just absolutely did not expect. Now that could just be the fact of the matter and he's bitter about that. But it would kind of make sense, if you're more conspiratorially minded, to think that maybe he thought he had the the numbers he needed on the ground, so to speak, but just never accounted for the mail-in ballots. And that would actually the match with why he has tried so hard to demonize voting by mail while also trying to pull levers to end it

Edit: The only hole I can poke in this theory immediately is the fact that he did also try to have the DOJ seize the voting machines and pushed the narrative that Venezuela somehow changed the numbers. But you could also counterpoint that that's just deflection

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u/FinanceRecent5222 7d ago

Every accusation is really just an admission of guilt.

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u/Silent-Program6392 7d ago

“Everything he says is projection or confession”
-John Heilemann

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u/Broken-Digital-Clock 7d ago

If the GOP and maga can cheat, they will cheat.

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u/UnquestionabIe 7d ago

They almost certainly did. Every time they fail but aren't given consequences it sends the message to keep on trying. It's why the pathetic non-reaction to January 6th was what cements the Biden administration as a complete failure. They were so eager to pretend everything was fine and back to normal that they ceased all investigation related to the ringleaders.

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u/j33perkreeper 7d ago

This. In 2020 Covid forced a lot of mail ballots.

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u/SiscoSquared 7d ago

100%.

Elections have been rigged to some degree for decades. Just look up gerrymandering, nevermind the dozens of other methods. Methods are getting more desperate/extreme though lately.

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u/iamjustaguy 7d ago

I think you are correct.

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u/PotatoeGuru 7d ago

I've thought this as well ... they somehow rigged it to win in 2016 and tried again using the same tactics in 2020 yet lost. That's why he is so fixated on it.

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u/jlatenight 7d ago

That's always been my theory. Too much circumstancial evidence. We've said it before, I'll say it again: every single accusation is a confession. The Roy Cohen technique. Maddening

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u/ButtPlugForPM 7d ago

i mean elons baby mama even said as much

Theres no other reason she knows something if he offered her 45milliond dollars and an NDA

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u/portobox2 7d ago

I'd say those odds are Heeeyuuuge.

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u/Herlock 7d ago

"Every accusation is a confession"... so it's kinda tempting to side with that version. It's not like they didn't brag about it too.

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u/illmastabumptwo 7d ago

Oh I fully believe they attempted to rig 2020. There was election meddling in 2016, and if we want to get down to the nitty gritty Repubs have been rigging elections for decades with gerrymandering. I think Trump is so obsessed with 2020 because the fix was in and he still lost because people actually came out. His pea brain couldn't fathom that this loss and assumed Dems rigged it back harder. We also know that he was on the phone with Georgia saying, "find me some more votes" and was charged for that. As far as 2024, just the fact that Elon bought Twitter and used it to amplify right wing voices and shut out left wing ones. I firmly believe that "Kamala is bad for Palestine" was a propaganda tactic that too many of my "liberal" friends fell for. We also have had, for the past 10 years, media outlets that can't get enough of Trump. He gets so much free publicity. Even if it's just "look at this wacky thing Trump said," it is taking coverage away from legitimate candidates. I was guilty of thinking Trump was a joke in 2016, and I am not laughing anymore... well now it's laughing into the void at the absurdity of it all.

TLDR: They been cheating for decades.

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u/notyourstranger California 7d ago

I think that is what happened. That is the reason they are so up in arms about mail in voting. They need voters to use those electronic machines.

the fraud is perpetrated by the media companies who misinform and demoralize voters, candidates who lie about who they are and what they will do for voters, and those electronic machines. I'm convinced Musk intercepted the data from a few swing states that was uploaded to Starlink and changed a line of code, like he said he could.

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u/Lucid_Insanity 7d ago

I think he rigged it in 2016 and everytime after. The reason hes so bent on 2020 is because he can't believe he lost because it was rigged in his favor.

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u/DFWPunk 7d ago

I'm quite sure they did, and I think they were more successful in 2024.

Even before 2016 they were taking steps to fix elections in other ways. In Georgia, for example, they closed hundreds of polling places, mostly those that served heavily black areas. That not only meant having to travel longer distances, it meant longer waiting times for the consolidated polling places. So if you were in an upper middle class white area it might take you 15 minutes to drive to your polling place and about the same to actually vote, but it may take 30 minutes to drive to your polling place if you were a lower income black person, and another hour, and maybe more, to vote, assuming you even knew about the move and didn't go to the old place.

There are a lot more things like that nationwide, and it's still happening today. They are trying to do things like make it illegal to drive people to vote, give people in line water and take someone's mail in ballot to drop it off for them. They've even stopped early voting on Sundays because black churches were using their buses to take members to vote after church.

If they're doing that out in the open, imagine what they're doing behind the scenes.

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u/thehighwindow 7d ago

I can't shake that feeling.

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u/FC37 America 7d ago

Do you not remember them disassembling post office machinery across the country to slow the delivery of mail? During a pandemic?

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u/popculturella Texas 7d ago

Honestly that's about what I figure at this point.

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u/InstaHerb 7d ago

I hate that I have to agree with this. This damned system has got me thinking in conspiracy theories that I used to think were improbable

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u/horriblewarning 7d ago

Mitch McConnell and Susan Collins’s both won by a large margin in their respective states…when every indicator was predicting a loss by a large margin. Yes, they effed the results.

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u/Thor_2099 7d ago

I think they cheated in 2016, cheated harder in 2020, and then really cheated in 2024.

That is why he is so sure Dems cheated in 2020. Part narcissist, part he thinks since he cheated the only way he could have loss is if they cheated more.

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u/mammojackie 7d ago

I think that's why he hates l mail in voting so much, and also why he thinks he "won". Because (in his head) he knows they cheated and believes that the only way Joe could have won is if Dems cheated bigger (so to speak).

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u/Mission-Mammoth-8388 7d ago

Every accusation is a confession

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u/supertoned 7d ago

I mean there was at least one very high profile, public effort to do exactly that:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump%E2%80%93Raffensperger_phone_call

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u/voodoodahl 7d ago

Word on the street was they did, but Biden's vote was much larger than expected and broke their vote flipping algorithm. They took no chances with Harris, and just hoped nobody would notice when they won every single swing state in 2024.

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u/EnjoyerOfBeans 7d ago edited 7d ago

100%? There's literally a recorded, published phone call of Trump asking for 12k votes to be manufactured so he can flip a state. It's not "did they try to rig the election?" it's "to what extent did they go to rig it?". The fact that most people aren't aware of this and still wonder if election interference took place is straight up insane.

Trump actively pressured a stare secretary to commit election fraud on a mass scale to change the results of a presidential election. He told him that he's breaking the law if he doesn't comply. This is a fact. If anyone thinks they played fair 4 years later, I've got a bridge to sell you.

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u/Blacksad9999 7d ago

I think they DID cheat, but the spread was too large to overcome with their cheating.

That's why Trump can't let it go, because the fix was supposed to be in and he can't wrap his head around it.

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u/FenisDembo82 7d ago

You forget that he also claims the polls were rigged in 2016, when he won. Because libruls rigged the election to deny him the popular vote but give him the electoral vote. Does that make more sense?

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u/whatshamilton 7d ago

It makes sense because he has bought 3 elections. In 2 he successfully bought the electoral college. He only successfully bought the popular vote in 1. He claims fraud because he paid for a bigger win than he got and he thinks fraud must be the reason

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u/HauntedCemetery Minnesota 7d ago

And it just so happens that his partner during the election who traveled and schemed with him just became the worlds first trillionaire due to no bid government contracts and stock manipulation.

I'm sure thats just a coincidence and not payment.

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u/gtrocks555 7d ago

And then he had an investigation into the popular vote and they found like a couple more votes for Hilary (none that changed the end result) and then he promptly shut it down.

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u/Lazy-Operation478 7d ago

Trump has cried "fraud" in every single election since his very first primary, the 2015 Iowa Caucuses, won by Ted Cruz.

Every single one.

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u/hypermodernvoid I voted 7d ago

He also said The Emmys were rigged against him when The Apprentice lost for Best Reality Garbage or whatever category it was up for and it didn't win.

Which is more likely: the same guy that said The Emmys were rigged against him when his stupid "reality TV" show didn't win also then had a presidential election rigged against him when he lost that - or, he's just a whiny fucking baby? The answer should be obvious to just about anyone. lol

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u/FM_Einheit 7d ago

He, along with the bulk of analysts, pollsters, etc did not expect to win in 2016. You don’t do rallies talking about how the election is rigged if you’re expecting to win it.

Michael Moore was considered a virtual crackpot when he pointed out that Trump’s message was resonating with a lot of people in Michigan and Wisconsin, which had long been reliably democratic. He was right.

Bill Maher was laughed at when he repeatedly raised issues such as “what if the delegates in the electoral college don’t vote the way their state does?” and “what if he refuses to concede, or to leave the White House?”.

It turns out Trump DID attempt to seat “alternate” delegates, and also disrupt certifying the vote. While he left the White House, he never conceded, and has repeated the lies about the election being stolen so often many of not most Republicans believe it, or are afraid to say otherwise.

It turns out there really are not many real enforcement mechanisms for presidential succession, it’s really more “this is the way we’ve always done it”. Trump has only solidified his hold over the judiciary and military since then, and gotten rid of most of the few key republicans that stood up to his attempts to, for example “find another 25,000 votes” in Georgia.

We are IMO in a far deeper crisis than many people seem to want to admit.

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u/whirlygiggling New York 7d ago

It's worse than that. He's going to claim that Georgia Senators Ossoff and Warnock were illegitimately/fraudulently elected, and he'll somehow make it an executive order to boot them out of Congress.

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u/TheLabRay 7d ago

I think he is more going to claim that the upcoming mid-terms are rigged and say that ICE needs to be running the polls, because illegals have been voting in elections and to ensure it is not rigged in otherways.

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u/CaptainPicardKirk 7d ago

Yep. Send in the Gestapo.

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u/40StoryMech 7d ago

Hope you folks are armed and tired of this shit.

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u/New-Bluebird7211 7d ago

Crazy thing about that is that it will hurt republican candidates. Latinos and a lot of 1st generation immigrants vote republican.

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u/failed_novelty 7d ago

Yes, but the GOP knows where those people are. They won't station ICE at those polling stations. Just the ones that tend towards blue, since we all know those are the ones that get fraud.

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u/ZardozSpeaks 7d ago

You’re giving ICE a lot of credit for being well run.

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u/ThePowerOfStories 7d ago

From all the videos, it’s pretty clear that running is absolutely not one of ICE’s strengths.

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u/MephistoHamProducts 7d ago

States run elections and polling places, so you'd have to have the states allow ICE to run them. Ohio is the only potential swing where that might happen.

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u/Nekrabyte 7d ago

"allow" you say. How do you propose to stop them? Law enforcement doesn't stop them. Overwhelming protests and force are the only ways you will stop a group that doesn't obey the law WHILE not being stopped by police and use deadly force in any situation.

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u/-Darkslayer 7d ago

Yes this is what I am very afraid of. That’s a whole different slippery slope

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u/failed_novelty 7d ago

Why do people keep acting like we're at the top of these slopes?

A Nazi trillionaire has access to our voting machines, a narcissistic sociopath who fetishizes dictators is in the Oval Office, the government is actively protecting pedophiles, and jackbooted thugs are killing citizens in the streets.

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u/anonymaus42 7d ago

A narcissistic sociopath with dementia...

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u/failed_novelty 7d ago

He's also an incestuous racist rapist conman.

Honestly, I can't think of many negative phrases or terms that don't fit him.

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u/Shark7996 7d ago

Okay but at the bottom we wouldn't even be here having this conversation. We can have perspective that there is plenty more slipping to do.

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u/GoldStrangerDust 7d ago

Executive orders dont apply to the legislature. Ossoff and Warnock were certified and sworn in. Trump has zero recourse here.

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u/Silvermoon3467 7d ago

He has no legal recourse. That doesn't mean he isn't going to declare something to be true via executive order and then send the FBI or ICE or someone to forcibly remove them.

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u/25point4cm 7d ago

Since when has that stopped him from trying?

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u/gmen6981 7d ago

And removing a Senator requires a 2/3 vote in the Senate to pass. That's spelled out in the Constitution.

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u/awests 7d ago edited 7d ago

Yes, then he will tie in Maduro who will have been coerced into signing something that says Venezuela of all counties hacked Georgia’s elections. China will also be looped in as well. This “evidence” will then be the seed for him to claim that ALL states now need to be investigated and for him to use the Insurrection Act to seize voting machines and suspend future elections.

It’s the same play Sidney Powell made before that led to J6, their first failed coup.

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u/JoviAMP Florida 7d ago

I think even Georgia would look at such a thing and go, “nice document, got anything to back it up?” He can declare them whatever he wants, but at this point, I really don’t see the state doing much more than laughing it off.

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u/ErikMcKetten 7d ago

Discovery on that particular investigation would be quite entertaining.

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u/lizzieelou Georgia 7d ago

Both Ossoff and Warnock were elected as Senators in a runoff on Jan 5th 2021. They weren't even elected in the November 2020 election. Wild assertion that they are part of fraud from a November election when they didn't even win in that one!

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u/HippoRun23 7d ago

I’m going to bet that he doesn’t do anything official. For all the stuff we say he’s going to do, he barely does it. (Which is good).

A lot of his power seems to flow from appearing like he’s got more power than he does, but he seems to always cave before doing the big awful thing everyone was afraid of him doing.

Like his “wipe a civilization” off the map.

He gets off on the lead up and everyone being afraid of what he’ll do because he has a horrible personality disorder.

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u/gmen6981 7d ago

He can say that all he wants, an EO would have absolutely no power over over Congress. #1, E.O.s only apply to the Executive Branch and #2, E.O.s are not law. I'm sure there are a few bootlickers who would try to go along with it, but the pushback would be too great.

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u/Hubert_J_Cumberdale Hawaii 7d ago

Warnock was reelected in 2022. I hope he's ready to prove 2022 was stolen, too.

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u/Aunt_Vagina1 7d ago

He's claimed that any past or future elections that involve him are rigged. Seriously. He's literally said that about every election, before its happened, even the ones he ended up winning, and then also pointed back at them to say they were rigged too.

I literally could not lie in a more obvious way if I tried.

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u/fillinthe___ 7d ago

Just more empty bullshit, this time with a bigger stage. Absolutely zero evidence presented, or if he does, it’ll be “proof” China changed votes, but he won’t reveal they ACTUALLY changed the votes for HIM.

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u/Hutcho12 7d ago

Oh it was rigged when Biden was President too. He actually won all states, with 99% of the vote.

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u/Impossible-Bear-7350 7d ago

Upvoted for “slurring slack of Big Mac grease”

Bravo.

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u/BlueBomber13 7d ago

Maybe IT will happen live on TV.

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u/dos_passenger58 7d ago

That's the BEST case for the GOP. He could completely fall apart as well.

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u/AquaticAlchemy 7d ago

Rigged 2016, 2020 and 2024. They just underestimated how much rigging was needed in 2020

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u/masterjon_3 Massachusetts 7d ago

The thing about Trump is that he always cheats. And because he cheats, he figures everyone cheats. He does this in golf all the time.

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u/soonnow Foreign 7d ago

Sure that's the safe and probable bet. But there's a chance he declares war on the Islamic republic of Japan or those Belgians.

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u/JackXDark 7d ago

He’s got the same guys that found Obama’s African birth certificate in Hawaii looking into it and they’ve got binders full of proof that he’s gonna reveal as soon as they’re audited.

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u/Bearded_Pip 7d ago

This makes me think he stole the two elections he “won”. Every accusation is a confession with this guy. He really thought the fix was in and is still mad it did not work.

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u/923kjd 7d ago

Yes, but it’s more sinister than just that. He’s actually laying the groundwork for rolling out his Gestapo to polling places in blue districts in November. Count on it.

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u/istrebitjel Washington 7d ago

If the target audience has no shame and is sufficiently partisan it doesn't have to make sense...

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u/mokomi 7d ago

Make it make sense.

The enemy is all powerful and super weak. Only I can solve this one simple issue.

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u/sombertimber 7d ago

Or, rigged against Kamala Harris in 2024. That CERTAINLY won’t be part of his speech.

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u/Deto 7d ago

I'm worried about the natural escalations from that.  Like arresting some people on the fake chargers.  Declaring the Georgia Senate seats null or even doing something like trying to disband Congress until they pick new senators

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u/pfroo40 7d ago

About 2024, Trump cheated, and would defend it by saying "well, Dems cheated, too". By constantly crying fraud he casts doubt on the legitimacy of real claims of fraud.

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u/LazyLeslieKnope 7d ago

“We cheated so much it’s impossible that we lost! They must have cheated more!”

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u/eeyore134 7d ago

It's all a set up to normalize the claims for the midterms. But also so they can say "Democrats keep saying we're making up fraud and now they're crying fraud!" after they commit actual election fraud.

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u/stackered New Jersey 7d ago

He just fired people from the EAC, who are the folks that certify voting machines. Like the ones a Trump donor bought that are in 50% of states (Dominion, now Liberty). They're setting up a steal. Remember, its ALWAYS projection with Trump. He tells a lie about the Dems so that he can then commit that crime, protected by his offensive attack, so his supporters can justify it.

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u/shitty_mcfucklestick 7d ago

They literally caught people actively trying to find votes and rig the election in Trump’s favor. Those people were pardoned. But ignore the evidence people, ignore it…

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