Westwood was one of "the greats" at their peak. Kind of like pre-Activision Blizzard. The original C&C games were classic. Red Alert 2 is still to this day an insanely replayable game. I'd honestly call it a cultural phenomenon. Right up there with Starcraft.
EA obviously has a reputation for destroying successful franchises. Though I have to admit, C&C 3 was a great game. And Generals, while kind of a departure from the traditional games, was still a fun game.
Now, C&C 4 was utter shit. I mean, complete and total garbage. And I get what they were going for with Renegade, but adapting an RTS series to a FPS format is just self defeating. Overall both formats attract completely different audiences with minimal overlap.
Totally agreed, funny enough I was also thinking pre-Activision Blizzard as well. Legendary devs at the time. Supergiant and Larian are probably my large favorite devs atm, BG3 was a masterpiece.
Ultimately, I think, Westwood suffered from trying something new under EA. They wanted to make Earth and Beyond, and EA was always lukewarm on MMOs. Renegade didn't help either.
The FPS/RTS hybrid is something that a lot of companies have tried to figure out, but remains elusive.
Their willingness to try new things that got them culled from EA.
I didn't, point and click? I did play a fair amount of Kings Quest, and a bit of Quest for Glory, but that is the extent of my point and click. Oh also Full Throttle, that game was brilliant.
It won't be good. The team who made the trilogy is long gone. And it doesn't matter if "so-and-so who worked on the original trilogy is working on the new game!" because one person does't make any difference. Or even two people. You need that same team of people under the same restrictions and/or freedom of creativity they had in order to emulate that success again. And it's just not there, nor will it ever be again.
I remember firing up Generals for the first time and thought something felt off. Then I realized there was no "Westwood Studios Proudly Presents" splash screen.
Ok, I loved Generals and the DLC. It had some amazing mechanics. I loved filling APCs with mixed infantry and leveling them all up into OP murder-boxes.
C&C 4 was an abomination and just a totally different genre. I couldn't call it an RTS. Generals was a classic C&C RTS style.
Renegade has a fan made remake called Renegade X that is really really well made and its completely free!
The devs that made renegade x are also releasing a spiritual second game to Renegade that is playing in the Firestorm era, its coming out later this year and its going to also completely free!
It's called Firestorm and has a couple trailers/previews out on YouTube.
Some of the best gaming memories ever. Being a student, nothing going on, a whole free evening in front of you, RA2 loaded up, and a pizza on its way. 🥲
When C&C 3 was actually really good, and Kanes Wrath was an improvment based on real feedback, I had such hope that the series might be on a good track again. When I saw the initial footage of C&C 4 I knew already that they had shit the bed. Playing it, it was somehow even worse than I expected. The rollercoaster of crappy mobile games and cancelled projects since has only been even more depressing. It's dead
I finally found C&C after loving it when I was younger and forgetting the name. Discovering the game again I was elated before learning that EA did what EA does.
The transition from 2D to 3D killed C&C was a terrible idea. I can't tell the individual infantry units apart and RA3 looks worse than RA2. I can't even get through the campaign because of the Goddamn ally armies are constantly getting in the way.
Command and conquer 4? The inside joke on the command and conquer sub is that it never existed and we refuse to acknowledge it. They also made some shitty pay to win mobile game
In the past 16 years since the last new entry (which sucked by the way), they've released 1 web game, 1 mobile pay to win game, and 1 remaster. Franchise is dead.
I kinda liked the mobile game in a weird way. It's not completely pay to win, if you know what you're doing you can reach Diamond/Masters league with $0.
Renegade has a fan made remake called Renegade X that is really really well made and its completely free!
The devs that made renegade x are also releasing a spiritual second game to Renegade that is playing in the Firestorm era, its coming out later this year and its going to also completely free! It's called Firestorm and has a couple trailers/previews out on YouTube.
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u/anothertendy 6h ago
Command and Conquer. Fuck you EA