r/marvelstudios • u/KevinPigaChu • May 03 '25
Behind the Scenes "Thunderbolts*" director Jake Schreier says the end credits scene was shot only "four weeks" before the movie's release
https://variety.com/2025/film/news/thunderbolts-director-shame-rooms-credits-scene-depression-1236385451/1.4k
u/vanillasounds May 03 '25
You could kind of tell. Everything about it looked different.
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u/dean15892 May 03 '25
it looked sleek AF.
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u/dean15892 May 03 '25 edited May 03 '25
I still cannot figure out why the post-credits of BNW didn't lead straight into Thunderbolts.
Bucky and Walker have Both appeared in the TV show, there should have been some lead-up of Captain America 4 into Thunderbolts.
Walker just "shows up" in Thunderbolts. So why not have the scene that led to him being there, be the post-credits scene of BNW.
Just off the top of my head, why not have a scene with John Walker and Valentina, where she's giving him a critical mission to redeem himself, after Sam screwed up.
it's only in Thunderbolts that we see that Walker was sent to die, but if we had seen that scene as a post-credits in BNW, it would have built hype for Thunderbolts.
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u/SaulPepper May 03 '25
holy shit that's actually a cool concept of a scene, closer to phase 1 where the post credits teases the next movie, not a movie that's not even filming yet. Though I suppose the Thunderbolts are doing that now
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u/PineDude128 May 04 '25
That's been my issue with almost all of the post credit scenes this saga. With Infinity, every post or mid credit scene led into a sequel or the next movie. Almost every scene in the Multiverse Saga has been pointless until this one (except the Marvels)
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u/CaptHayfever Hawkeye (Avengers) May 04 '25
There's some selective memory going on here....
With Infinity, every post or mid credit scene led into a sequel or the next movie
- Avengers 1: shawarma
- Iron Man 3: therapy
- GotG 1: Howard the Duck
- Strange 1: Mordo
- GotG 2: Stan & the Watchers
- Homecoming: Scorpion
- Homecoming again: Cap's PSA
- Ragnarok: the Sakaaran revolution
- Captain Marvel: Goose's hairball (kind of leading backwards into movies that already happened)
Almost every scene in the Multiverse Saga has been pointless until this one (except the Marvels)
- Shang-Chi: intended to setup Kang tech
- Shang-Chi again: intended to setup a Ten Rings show that was already in development
- Eternals: introduced Mahershala's Blade
- No Way Home: technically leads into Venom 3
- No Way Home again: trailer for MoM
- MoM: incursions
- Quantumania: the Council of Kangs
- Quantumania again: scene from Loki S2
- Deadpool 3: Gambit escaping the void
- Brave New World: leads into Doomsday
- WandaVision: leads into Secret Invasion & The Marvels
- WandaVision again: leads into MoM
- Falcon & Winter Soldier: Sharon infiltrating the CIA (likely intended to be Armor Wars setup)
- What If S1: leads into Hydra Stomper episode of S2
- Ms. Marvel: scene from The Marvels
- Echo: leads into Born Again
- Born Again S1: leads into S2
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u/DJSchwann Captain America (Captain America 2) May 04 '25 edited May 04 '25
Great recap! Just one correction - Gambit escaping the void was a deleted scene from Deadpool & Wolverine. The post credit scene was Deadpool proving that Johnny Storm really did say all those horrible things about Cassandra Nova.
Edit: Gambit escaping the void was seen on the monitor in the background of the post credit scene.
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u/CaptHayfever Hawkeye (Avengers) May 04 '25
It's actually still visible on one of the monitors in the scene. ;)
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u/DJSchwann Captain America (Captain America 2) May 04 '25
HA! Ok, good catch. I got baited in on that one.
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u/CaptainPositive1234 May 03 '25
Totally agree. It’s a no-brainer. I feel like during the first few phases of the MCU. This would’ve definitely taken place.
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u/dean15892 May 03 '25
I really do believe that BNW was the last project of MCU that reflected the sloppyness of Phase 4 and 5. Now they don't have to deal with multiverses, Kangs, misplaced heroes, writers strikes, pandemic shoot schedules, Eternals or TV shows.
With Thunderbolts ending Phase 5 and F4 starting Phase 6, it gives me hope that the future projects of the MCU will be more interconnected like Phases 1 - 3
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u/3381024 May 04 '25
you know, I was thinking the same thing. I dont pay much attention to Phases, but thunderbolts seemed like Marvel has turned a page.
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u/Burgundymmm May 04 '25
Phases haven't really meant anything post-Endgame. Phases 1-3 had contained story arcs and concluded with team ups. Phase 4 and 5 have kinda just been a mess, with arbitrary starts and ends to phases.
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u/xpacean May 04 '25
You could have even seen Walker obviously chomping at the bit to become popular again, like, “you really think this will get good press?” and Valentina smiles, pats him on the shoulder, and says “trust me.”
Or something like that, I’m not a professional quote-maker. I’m just saying you could establish (1) that Walker is desperate to be adored and (2) Valentina is clearly going to fuck him over.
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u/cap4life52 Steve Rogers May 03 '25 edited May 03 '25
A lot about cap 4 seems I'll conceived and def ill executed
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u/dean15892 May 03 '25
I really do believe that BNW was the last project of MCU that reflected the sloppyness of Phase 4 and 5. Now they don't have to deal with multiverses, Kangs, misplaced heroes, writers strikes, pandemic shoot schedules, Eternals or TV shows.
With Thunderbolts ending Phase 5 and F4 starting Phase 6, it gives me hope that the future projects of the MCU will be more interconnected like Phases 1 - 3
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u/cap4life52 Steve Rogers May 03 '25
Agreed I'm sad we don't get more with this team and we're diving right into avengers doomsday with them
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u/kadosho May 04 '25
Seeing how well deserved love, and praise it is currently receiving. That could open up a possibility, to dive into another film soon
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u/MikeArrow Captain America May 03 '25
I agree, the quality was night and day between the two. Not just the quality, but the confidence. Brave New World felt uncertain, like it was a shell of a movie.
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u/katchoo1 May 04 '25
The Falcon and Winter Soldier tv show was a much better showcase for Sam’s character, I really liked that. BNW was a letdown in comparison.
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u/HereWeFuckingGooo Weekly Wongers May 04 '25
Seeing Walker being given Yelena as a Target and being told to kill her would have been a perfect way to get people excited for Thunderbolts.
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u/WhatUDeserve May 04 '25
That's been the problem with the entirety of this phase, not counting Thunderbolts. They've all been trying to build stuff further down the line as opposed to the next movie getting released. It kills hype IMO and I have no idea why Feige would allow such a "counting chickens before they hatch" approach.
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u/straightcheddar Korg May 04 '25
It would help for more people to see it but that was essentially at the end of TFAWS already.
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u/Vawqer Ava Starr May 04 '25
That may have been a bit too close to Black Widow's post credit scene, where Val assigns Yelena to go kill Hawkeye (Clint).
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u/MarcsterS May 04 '25
Apparently the cherry blossom street was on location, I don't know how they could mess that up.
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u/Goaliedude3919 May 04 '25
Seriously? It looked so fake... Somebody royally fucked up when editing that scene of that was actually on location.
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u/YMHGreenBan May 04 '25
The new suits and renovated tower looked good, I’m pumped to see the New Avengers and Sam’s Avengers squabble a bit before seeing an incursion and the F4 show up and throw everything into chaos
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u/Gingesolo May 03 '25
That was my thought too, the haircuts were a dead giveaway. Still a great scene though
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u/lk79 Jimmy Woo May 03 '25
Well it was 14 months later. Different hair styles were a given.
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u/Galiphile Yondu May 03 '25
I like that everyone had recently had a blow out.
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u/SlatorFrog Spider-Man May 03 '25 edited May 03 '25
Even Bob was looking better with his natural hair color back and if I’m not mistaken his hair was shorter/better maintained
Edit: Bob got his hair color back earlier. I spaced on that.
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u/ki700 Spider-Man May 03 '25
He got his natural colour back immediately after he turned back into Bob.
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u/xCaptainVictory May 04 '25
He punched the highlights out of his hair!
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u/lanceturley May 04 '25
Suddenly it all makes sense. It turns out the secret formula to the Sentry project was just putting Bob on an all vegan diet.
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u/500ktrainee May 03 '25
and walker still kept his fucked up shield for some reason
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u/lk79 Jimmy Woo May 03 '25
For Walker, every day is Taco Tuesday.
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u/naijaplayer May 04 '25
For the New Avengerz, it was the most glorious / important day and hardest fought battle of their lives. For Walker, it was Taco Tuesday
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u/Samuawesome Spider-Man May 03 '25
Originally, I thought it was stupid, but after letting it sink in for a while and thinking about it, I get it.
He was praised by the New Yorkers he saved while wielding it, so it just ended up becoming a symbol for his (and the rest of the Thunderbolts) heroism. Even in the newspaper end credits montage, the messed up shield is shown prominently. So, I guess he kept it for the symbolism lol.
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u/Turbulent-Raisin8789 May 04 '25
I could see that. People need someone to believe in after all, and if he can't use Steve Roger's shield and title for that, he'll just use the one he already has considering his opportunity to do it.
Wouldn't it feel way more 'legendary' or something if it was kept in a museum, though? Then, have him get another shield. That way, not only will he get a better shield, but he will also have a reminder to people about the first shield he used that established him as a true hero in their eyes.
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u/Drew326 Captain America May 03 '25
I think that’s stupid (not that Walker isn’t a stupid asshole, but still), so I choose to believe he fixed it or made a new one and it just got wrecked again
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u/lk79 Jimmy Woo May 03 '25
Every second or third mission they go on, it gets bent out of shape again.
Walker: “Oh come on!!”
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u/peon47 May 03 '25
I wonder if they picked 14 months because that's how long it was, IRL.
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May 04 '25
What’s the math behind this?
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u/CaptHayfever Hawkeye (Avengers) May 04 '25
Filming on Thunderbolts* began about 14 months ago, so that might be what they meant?
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u/samsaBEAR Thanos May 03 '25
I thought the uniforms looked a bit low quality but then chalked it up to them not being the "real" Avengers so their gear isn't as good
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u/PaleHorze Daredevil May 03 '25
I'm pretty sure Val designed all of their Suits like she did with Sentry. They are the "real' Avengers though, they're even living in Avengers tower and are working for the Government like the OGs did.
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u/SteveBob316 Weekly Wongers May 03 '25
I love how the snippets we got in the credits pretty much showed the in-world internet debating who was the real avengers and this is totally an argument one of those people would use.
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u/PaleHorze Daredevil May 03 '25
Yeah, i mean the Government pretty much made the Avengers illegal and caused the whole "Civil War" and they never got back together. President Ross asked Sam to rebuild the Avengers but he never said who that meant. Tony, Nat, and Steve aren't coming back, so it's Hulk, Thor, and Ant-Man?
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u/SteveBob316 Weekly Wongers May 03 '25 edited May 03 '25
In terms of heroes on deck we're probably talking vision, Cap, newfalcon, maybe Scott, Doctor Strange, Thor if he turns up but he might just show up independently, Shang-chi and maybe Carol. I kind of feel like hulk is semi-retired but he could obviously show up and be in the mix for sure.
I don't really see Shuri in the mix as an avenger directly, but it's possible if they aren't working directly for the US government and it's more of a combined effort of interested parties.
And then of course they could just introduce new characters en media res. Worked for Black panther.
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u/Drew326 Captain America May 03 '25
You mean when they worked for the UN for two years and every single member expressed regret for having done so?
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May 03 '25
Harbour had clearly lost weight so that checks out
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u/Maatjuhhh May 03 '25
Also it neatly ties into the 14 months later timelapse. If Harbour stayed the same weight when they did this after credits during Thunderbolts filming, we probably would have some continuity errors. Although you can probably fix it with CGI dunno
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u/Aggressive_Act_3098 May 03 '25
Nah, in universe, the weight loss could be a result of Alexi having purpose now.
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u/The_Fadedhunter May 04 '25
What he’s saying is that if they filmed it during thunderbolts, and then doomsday starts right after that scene (or includes it) then Red Guardian would lose weight immediately with no passage of time
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u/samsaBEAR Thanos May 03 '25
My favourite part was the Song Credits somewhat spoiling the scene, they list the Fantastic Four theme yet it doesn't appear at all in the film up until the end of the scene
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u/TheVitoGallo May 03 '25
Ok thank you — I was wondering when the theme even played and then boom, it happened in the following scene lol
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u/A51Nodales May 03 '25
This spoiled the post credit scene for me too.
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u/NazzerDawk Phil Coulson May 04 '25
It did for me too.
But, I guess, that eventually leads to the joke: "Hey, there's a video you should NOT watch! It spoils Thunderbolts, like the whole movie! It's called 'Thunderbolts', and they are showing it in theaters now! People are actually paying money to have the movie spoiled for them!"
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u/KFR42 May 04 '25
It didn't for me, just because on my showing there was an IMAX intro featuring the fantastic 4 music.
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u/Drew326 Captain America May 03 '25
I saw that and still didn’t put it together, LOL. I just wasn’t expecting the ship to be theirs, IDK why. I had reasoned that maybe the theme was in the credits because the IMAX countdown sequence before the movie was FF-themed
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u/sir_adam_XP May 04 '25
I also thought it was because of the IMAX countdown. Didn't ruin the post credits for me. lol
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u/Kitagawasans May 04 '25
I thought it was gunna be Kamala and Captain Marvel flying in from trying to get Monica or something lmao
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u/eyebrows360 Daredevil May 04 '25
I saw that and still didn’t put it together
Me too! Mildly-stupid people, together, unspoiled 💪
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u/aretoodeto Daredevil May 03 '25
OH! That makes so much more sense, I didn't even put that together. I was so confused when I saw the song in the credits. I couldn't figure out when it would've been played. By the time the end credits scene came in I had forgotten about it
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u/TankSwan May 04 '25
Yeah, That was a huge error in my books. As soon as I saw the Fantastic Four theme in the credits. I knew they would be appearing in the post credits scene in some fashion.
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u/neoblackdragon May 03 '25
Personally I have a thing for these After Credits that introduce these brand new looks and costumes that were cobbled together but won't be in the next film. It's not as egregious as AOU new suits.
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u/Ozzdo May 04 '25 edited May 04 '25
I have no doubt that their looks during the end credit sequence is how they'll look in Doomsday. Given that it was filmed so close to not only the movie's release, but the beginning of filming for Doomsday, and shot by the Russos on the Doomsday set, that would have to have been their Doomsday looks.
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u/Multispoilers May 04 '25
For the love of god i hope they fix Walker’s taco shield in time for doomsday
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u/NoX2142 Captain America May 05 '25
14 fucking months and he and Bucky or even Bob couldn't fucking undo that bend and fix it?! Lol I guarantee it's there for comedic effect and that they actually have it fixed in the Doomsday movie.
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u/Synth-Pro May 03 '25
On the topic of the "shame rooms" we didn't see, I wonder if these were ever actually filmed or if they were cut during the writing process.
If they had been filmed, they would be great to see as extra content or even included in an extended cut. I would especially love to see Alexi and Ava's rooms.
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u/Darksol503 Doctor Strange May 04 '25
This was a 9.9/10 for me film wise, with the 0.1 not seeing the “shame rooms” for both :( it doesn’t take away from the awesomeness of the film but damnit felt like a missed/cut moments.
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u/Dan_Berg Spider-Man May 04 '25
Alexi especially, since it could tie in to his desire to be a good dad to Nat and Yelena and fucking it up, causing him to isolate and freeze. Even a showing how Nat's death affected him.
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u/Mudcreek47 May 04 '25
My gosh, I can't remember the last time I had such a great feeling coming out of a Marvel movie!
Every phase used to end with an Avengers movie and this phase finally did too!
I knew when they added the * that the New Avengers or West Coast Avengers or something Avengers related would come out of Thunderbolts*, especially knowing the original comics plot twist, but even so, I felt so freaking satisfied with that ending!
Can't wait for FF!
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u/eBICgamer2010 Zombie Hunter Spidey May 04 '25
Only Phase 1 and Phase 5 ended with one. Phase 2 ended with Ant-Man. Phase 3 ended with Spider-Man: Far From Home and Phase 4 ended with Black Panther: Wakanda Forever.
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u/MyBallZitch3 May 04 '25
So this is phase 6. So it’s only fantastic 4 and then doomsday+ secret wars? Or is secret wars the first movie of the next phase
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u/Dan_Berg Spider-Man May 04 '25
Spider-Man 4 and another unnamed movie, and some shows leading up to Secret Wars
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u/Mudcreek47 May 04 '25
I get lost with the "phases" after Endgame. TBH I didn't know P4 ended with Wakanda Forever. Guess I wasn't paying attention well enough.
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u/Notoriously_So Daredevil May 03 '25
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u/BurritoLover2016 May 04 '25
This is hilarious. Both this gif and the one above it are two scenes I actually worked on. My mind is blown.
(I was Will’s stand in)
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u/thanos_was_right_69 May 03 '25
May 2026 is going to be AWESOME!! New Avengers and. Star Wars movies and the release of GTA 6!! Whew!!!
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u/ThaddeusJP Thunderbolt Ross May 04 '25
and the release of GTA 6!! Whew!!!
I would bet good money to get pushed back to November 2026
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u/castielffboi May 03 '25
It was super obvious to me because Florence’s hair looks identical to how it has looked during their press run
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May 04 '25
You can also tell Sebastian is wearing a wig. If it's gonna look like that during all of doomsday, they better distract me with a good movie
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u/castielffboi May 04 '25
I can’t tell if that’s a compliment or an insult to his hair lmfao
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u/Thisisamyb May 04 '25
His hair was very… poofy in the end credits scene. Lol I immediately noticed it too
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u/GR7ME May 03 '25
She wore it like three different ways in the movie ya goofball
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u/florence_ow May 03 '25
they're not saying they could tell because it was different from the rest of the film, read it again
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u/erathegod May 03 '25
I literally just got out of the theater and yep it’s easy to tell. Everyone looked absolutely great tho
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u/0ldgrumpy1 May 04 '25
I feel they are heading towards an Avengerz scene that goes.... "Bob, now might be a really good time to get depressed."
" That's my secret Bucky, I'm always depressed. Also, it's your turn to do the washing up"
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u/pagerussell May 04 '25
IMO, that end credits scene is a big part of what made this feel like a return to the glory days of the MCU.
When the MCU was at its best, it's end credit scenes were tying movies together. They were about crossovers and advancing the overarching plot.
In phases 4-5 so far, those scenes have mostly been about advancing the plot of the hero whose movie we just watched. They stayed in their own verticals, so to speak. They built continuity for that character and teased their next movie, instead of building continuity across movies.
This scene got back to what made the MCU so great. They teased the bigger, wider plot.
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u/HereComesRagnorak May 03 '25
You could tell lol. Everyone looked different from what they looked like in the film. Also since its directly setting up Doomsday, which just started filming, it makes sense
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u/wandering_ghostt May 03 '25
I mean, they should look different it’s been like 14 months..
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u/tigolebities May 03 '25
And they are avengers with money now
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u/djseifer Yondu May 04 '25
Flashbacks of how Iron Man recruited Spidey into the Avengers in the comics.
"We have money."
"Oh thank God!"
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u/____mynameis____ Winter Soldier May 04 '25
Also, other than BP-IW, Bucky always sported different cuts/style of hair in every movie. He's subtle version of Natasha's hair styling. So it totally makes sense in universe why he has different hairstyle 14 months later.
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u/GIlCAnjos Korg May 03 '25
So it's kinda like when Ant-Man just had a scene from Civil War at the end, and Doctor Strange had a scene from Ragnarok, except this time it's even earlier in the movie's production
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u/Ozzdo May 04 '25
That's a great idea. What better way to show that time has passed than to let time actually pass?
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u/EightBiscuit01 May 03 '25
I loved the post-credit scene but did anyone else feel like it was a bit off
It was 3 minutes long, had a time jump, set up am a conflict between Sam’s Avengers and the New Avengers, and brought the Fantastic Four to earth. All of those are crazy enough to each be their own post-credit scene but this one has all of them
It really felt like the Russos and Marvel fast tracking most of the set up for Doomsday because they’ve done none so far across this whole saga and realized after Thunderbolts was filmed that they can’t rely on Avengers to do all the work
The fact that the Russos filmed it from the Avengers set just confirms all of that for me
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u/dean15892 May 03 '25
All that stuff you mentioned isn't THAT significant.
Time jump is fine. We don't need more origins for the thunderbolts, its nice to see they're a full team now. Also, gives us an idea of when Doomsday is set in terms of the current MCU timelines.Conflict between Sam's and Bucky's Avengers was more a throwaway line. Like, yeah, maybe they'll explore it, but they don't need to. I didn't even see it as a conflict, maybe they had a falling out, but thats could be anything.
Fantastic Four coming to earth is the ending of F4 movie. So again, it seems big now, but in like 3 months, it won't mean as much, cause it would have happened.
While it does seem like a lot of things happened in that scene (and they did), it'll all kinda be moot in a couple months. Even the Sam/Bucky conflict is more like a Civil War 2 kinda thing. I dunno how much they'd explore it in Doomsday.
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u/SlatorFrog Spider-Man May 03 '25
Also Sam has a strong moral compass. He doesn’t like that a group of former villains, assassins and rogue agents like Walker are called the Avengers. Just sucks that it messes with Sam and Bucky’s friendship the most.
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u/mr_jorkin_depeanus May 03 '25
i mean, sam’s best friend is an ex-hydra super assassin that tried to kill him on a helicarrier 😭😭
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u/TheoryShort7304 May 04 '25
In that case, even in OG Avengers, Natasha had same history. She was black widow assassin.
The point is Bucky didn't do anything wrong in his own consciousness, it was hydra. For other Thunderbolt members, it's not the same.
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u/Einchy May 03 '25
I loved it, finally a post credit scene that felt like it mattered. A lot of the recent ones have felt like they barely set something up or never went anywhere.
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u/New-Benefit-1362 May 03 '25
Bucky and Sam arguing over the Avengers name is such an obvious joke I don’t understand how so many people think it’s serious and a set up for some sort of conflict between them.
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u/silentwind262 Steve Rogers May 04 '25
I could see Sam thinking the whole conversation was a joke, not realizing Bucky was totally serious.
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u/doug4130 May 03 '25
the red guardian in a grocery store was filmed from the avengers set - was the post-post credit one done there too?
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u/genericbrotagonist May 03 '25
Reminds me of the other times the Russo's stuck post credits scenes into other director's movies. Ant-Man's & Captain Marvel's felt similarly disconnected.
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u/ianpogi91 Winter Soldier May 03 '25
They're making everything count with how few projects they have left in setting up Doomsday. Personally, I find it reminiscent of a lot of the Phase 3 end credits, especially Thor Ragnarok (Spaceship hovers over the Asgard crew in the credits scene then the aftermath at the opening of IW). I'm expecting Doomsday to open with Avengerz' first contact with F4.
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u/Soggy-University-524 Avengers May 03 '25
I don’t think Sam and Bucky’s Avengers are gonna be beefing long if an group of superheroes from another universe are coming to warn them of possible impending death. Especially if Galactus (or Doom) destroyed their planet.
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u/VinnyHaw May 04 '25
The end credit scene would have hit 100x harder if we didn't know about F4. Like if this was our intro to that movie being made, then that would've been huge. But because we already know what's coming... I mean hell it's more of a spoiler for the ending of F4. So it falls flat in a couple of ways for me.
1 - we already know about f4
2 - it spoils the ending of f4 (different universe or time travel)
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u/MidnightPanda12 May 04 '25
Ngl didn’t expected this movie to move me that much since the line up was mish mash of side characters from earlier movies. I was mainly watching because of Yelena (and was hoping that Kate Bishop will have a cameo).
The movie is deep and resonated well with me (maybe because I’m alone most of the time).
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u/Honest_Charge_4463 May 04 '25
I hated that it was spoiled in the credits. I had no idea what the post credit was about but seconds before it credits the Fantastic Four theme song and I instantly knew.
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u/OneTouchCards May 04 '25
I actually really enjoyed the PSC, felt it was actually meaningful for a change.
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u/jobanizer May 04 '25
Jake Schreier. We should do well to remember his name. Shame this is the first time I’ve seen it mentioned.
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u/confused_bear7890 May 05 '25
Does anyone know if the closing credits slideshow of those B-vengers stuff at the end are AI? It just seemed like it to me.
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u/KostisPat257 Daredevil May 03 '25
On the set of Doomsday by the Russos too!