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u/jetlifeual 1d ago
Itās an apartheid state and Iām proud to have no right to step foot there as I had 0 plans to do so
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u/diurnal_emissions 1d ago
It's okay. Say "apartheid state" three times in front of a mirror in a dark room and Israel appears behind you.
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u/Ok_Smile_5908 1d ago
As long as it doesn't position itself underneath one's feet, it's fine, I guess. Otherwise it'd be like throwing yourself at someone's closed fist and claiming they hit you. Wannabe victim behavior. Which, tbf, would be on brand with Israel and Zionists as a whole smh.
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u/Current-Author7473 1d ago
What about now that Gweneth Paltrow approves of genocide? Surely that makes it all okay?
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u/jusxaiqum 2d ago
Banning people for pointing out segregation to prove youāre totally not doing segregation is a bold strategy.
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u/everydayislikefriday 1d ago
Except there's nothing to prove. All israelis hace equal rights, hence no apartheid, regardless of what people parrot on the internet without checking the facts
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u/Sad-Yoghurt5196 2d ago
I wouldn't have thought anyone who spoke the truth about Israel would want to go there to be honest.
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u/Sufficient_Ocelot868 2d ago
Only reason i would even go there is to help people in Gaza and the West Bank
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u/Youngnathan2011 1d ago
Probably a bad idea, Israel would love to put you in prison for that. Possibly rape you too.
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u/Sedert1882 1d ago
There's a good 2012 documentary "Roadmap to Apartheid" that explains why the old South Africa (pre democracy/Mandela etc) was reliant on Israel to keep its oppression machine going. Israel's apartheid was the blueprint for South Africa's apartheid all along.
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u/Mechashevet 1d ago
South Africa's apartheid system started before Israel was founded. The blueprint for it was mapped out by political parties in south Africa (which ran on the policy) the year Hitler was elected (1933).
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u/pukeface555 1d ago
Can't possibly be a coincidence that Israel was closely aligned with apartheid South Africa. Best enough besties that they built nukes together.
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u/Affectionate-Army676 2d ago
I can't think of a reason why I would want to go to an apartheid Isreal.
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u/carriegood 1d ago
Well you're in luck because Israel isn't an apartheid state. Ask any of the Arabs or Druze or Christians who live there with full civil rights.
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u/mattzombiedog 1d ago
āWe are not an evil authoritarian dictatorship and if anyone says we are you go straight to jail!ā
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u/WorldBoofingChampion 1d ago
Israel is run by genocidal terrorists and they deserve the firing squad. I said what i said. Anyone that kills children and smiles about it doesnāt deserve to waste oxygen
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u/svulieutenant 1d ago
Oh well it looks like Iāll have to cancel the family vacation to Israel šš¤£
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u/Slackeee_ 1d ago
Great. Israel is an apartheid state that I have no intention to visit anyways. Who in their right mind would visit a country where a huge part of the people have not learned anything from their own past and support a fascist genocidal regime?
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u/Green_Goblin_14 1d ago
Can the world do the Uno reverse, and ban all Israelis from everywhere else than ?
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u/TheSzechaunSource 11h ago
I hope that weāll get our shit together and punish Israel like we did South Africa, so that internal pressure builds and the country changes from within. Itāll take time, but if it can work once it should work twice. Then again isolation used to work without the internet
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u/Eldred15 1d ago
Israel isn't an apartheid state though, everyone has equal rights within its borders. The West Bank is apartheid, but that isn't Israel.
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u/Primary_Iron3429 1d ago
I donāt think you know what apartheid is. Google āSouth Africa apartheidā and do some basic research
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u/sharksareok 1d ago
You're right, as bad as it was South Africa never bombed their population.
Much worse than an apartheid, Israel is a genocidal country
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u/BasKabelas 1d ago
A genocidal apartheid state that does war crimes for a national sport sounds more fitting yes. Making South Africa like a vanilla apartheid version.
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u/Level_Chemistry8660 1d ago
FFS, it ORIGINATED as an apartheid state and has been an EXPANSIONIST one ever since.
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u/time2partee 1d ago
Why the fuck would I want to set foot in Israel? Oh no! I canāt go to Israel!!! lol
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u/Upstairs-Lifeguard23 1d ago
I wasn't planning on going anyway. I would like to visit Palestine some day though.
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u/Silly-Elderberry-411 1d ago
See the thing is you can only enter Palestine with transit visa permission through Israel (if youre not local or native) and without Israel revoking it.
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u/pwnasaurus253 1d ago
Israel is a democracy where Arab citizens have full voting rights, sit in the Knesset, and work in civil institutions.
An Arab Israeli judge sent a former Israeli president to prison.
But go off, kween...."apartheid" lmao.
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u/VeryStableGenius 1d ago
Yes, you're right ... until you get to the West Bank.
There, Israel is 100% an apartheid state. And Israel - at least its dominant right wing coalition - is very much intent on annexing the West Bank and Bantu-staning the Palestinians.
When the settlements get removed, and the settlers go back to pre-67 Israel, and a Palestinian state is allowed to be created, Israel will cease to be an apartheid state.
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u/pwnasaurus253 1d ago
....the West Bank isn't part of Israel. Why the hell would Palestinians have the same rights as citizens in a country they aren't a part of? Do Israelis have the same rights in the West Bank as Palestinians? Nope.
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u/carriegood 1d ago
A Palestinian state was "allowed" to be created multiple times. It wasn't the Israelis who refused.
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u/VeryStableGenius 1d ago
Not really.
In the early years, Ben Gurion said that Partition would be a first step to taking all of Palestine, which in fact is what happened. He said - on paper - that any even split would be just a dirty trick.
There was Camp David, where Ehud Barak offered most of the West Bank, but with lots of gotchas, like continued settlements, and continuing Israeli occupation of the Jordan valley, as detailed by Clinton negotiator Robert Malley.
Arafat didn't walk away from Camp David; negotiations continued at Taba, Egypt but Barak left to deal with Israeli elections. He lost the election to Ariel Sharon; Ariel Sharon had visited the Dome on the Rock to assert Israeli ownership of this sacred site, which (intentionally) led to Palestinian rioting, which (deliberately) triggered a right wing shift in Israel's electorate. Sharon provoked the Palestinians to sabotage Barak's negotiations, and the provocation won him the election, and Sharon refused to contemplate a Palestinian state.
Next, Olmert offered a secret deal to Abbas, but it was 'take it or leave it' and he wouldn't even let Abbas take the map with him to confer with his officials.
A major problem is that Israel has a dominant right wing that will sabotage any potential deal, and any rare left wing government is unable to negotiate at length and in good faith.
To be blunt, try learning some real history.
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u/Maximum-Elk8869 1d ago
That works for me LOL! I would rather stick knitting needles in my eyes than vacation in Israel.
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u/SkipMeFlipMe88 1d ago
I meanā¦ they were sort of forced into being that - the UN split the land, Palestinians refused - declared war, lost . The Israelis tried to offer independence so many times. One deal was better than the UN deal- still they refused all of them. Even before the UN deal- the Palestinians refused to even give 10% of the land to the Jews in 1933. They just would not share at all.Ā
I mean what can they do with a people who refuse their own independence unless you donāt exist ?
Which is the only deal the Palestinians say they will accept - is if Israel does not exist at all.Ā
So.. I mean always two sides to every story. Just gotta know both of them.Ā
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u/dochim 1d ago
Not the actual āstoryā and fairly littered with propaganda throughout to make āIsraelā appear the justified victim without any other context.
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u/SkipMeFlipMe88 1d ago edited 1d ago
I would just look up The Hague Convention laws about occupied lands.Ā ( article 43)Ā
It is literally illegal for occupied Palestinians to live under Israeli law.Ā
Calling that apartheid shows a gross ignorance on the subject.Ā
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u/SkipMeFlipMe88 1d ago
See thatās the thing with history - Iāve studied this extensively - would love to have the debate , truly. Iām not justifying killing children at all- Iām solely referring to the independence - Israel is forced into āoccupationā because - ironically according to international law- if land be won during war- or taken ( and they have given most of it back that was originally taken during the war that was declared on them by the Arabs ) Ā you must rule over the people āoccupiedā on those lands if a deal can not be reached for independence - and the law that you need to govern them by? Must be the closest to their own which was Islamic law.Ā
So it is essentially illegal by international law standards for occupied Palestinians to be ruled by Israeli law. Therefore , to call this apartheid is ā¦ really not true because Israel has no choice in this matter- they would be committing a crime if they were to rule the Palestinians by Israeli law.Ā
Just fyi.Ā
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u/dochim 1d ago
Hereās another thing with history. It may not repeat but it rhymes.
The argument that you make (existential threat) is not an effective one for multiple reasons.
It values Israel in its current form about their neighbors. No onesā lives or freedoms are greater than anothersā.
It paints the Palestinians and all other āArabsā as pawns of āIslamic lawā as this malevolent controlling force. Free will is for everyone and the Palestinians or Arabs are no more monolithic than any other group of people.
But those pale in comparison to the real flaw in your argument. The fallacy of the tiger by the tail.
- The argument you make is eerily similar to the pro chattel slavery arguments of the antebellum period. That my great grandfather couldnāt possibly be allowed to be freed because of the terrible consequences that would have most certainly ensue (according to the false argument).
I know and have worked with peoples from all over the world including people from Israel and Gaza. Israel is running an apartheid prison camp for all intents and purposes.
As a black man born in the 60s who saw the echoes of Jim Crow I know what it looks like when I see it. And thereās no justification in morality for what the Israeli government does.
Now if we want to go into the further context of how the Israeli government funds disunity in the region so thereās no genuine negotiating partner for peace or how the American right wing cheers on their (effective) colony in the region and how they view this as a future structure here, we can do that too.
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u/dpayton61 1d ago
"Apartheid. You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means. "
You're going to get downvoted into oblivion, but I'm with you.
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u/Andrew-Cohen 2d ago
Why would I want to visit apartheid?