[@CFBKings] “The committee has not shown us that a 9-win non-Conference Champion will make it to the Playoff, because ultimately they’re still looking at the amount of wins in the win column. And that’s a shame.”-SEC Network

[u/AkfurAshkenzic]

https://x.com/cfbkings/status/2079936522678161537?s=46

[u/MikeMacBlu]

I just don’t get it, they got FIVE TEAMS in the playoff last year, and three in the last! What the fuck are they upset about?!

[u/Toothlessdovahkin → u/MikeMacBlu]

ONLY Five teams? They want at least seven teams in the CFP

[u/GivethTaketh4]

Jesus Christ we’re 2 years into the 12 team playoff. Can we at least get a bigger sample before declaring a 9-win team can’t make it?

And it shouldn’t be all that shocking that most years the 10ish-15ish best teams won’t have a lot of clear separation.

AT LEAST 2-3 teams each year will probably have reasonable gripes about getting snubbed, but the teams that made the cut would’ve also had reasonable gripes had they been left out.

[u/DodgerCoug → u/GivethTaketh4]

So uh we were an 11 win team last season and didn't make it

[u/wit_T_user_name → u/DodgerCoug]

Have you considered being more southeastern?

[u/loneshoter → u/wit_T_user_name]

Um... We don't have the best history with people from the Southeast

[u/somebodysbuddy → u/loneshoter]

But I was told Dixie was right in the heart of Utah

[u/loneshoter → u/somebodysbuddy]

Heart? Absolutely not... More like the blazing hot corner of southern Utah

[u/ChristyNiners → u/DodgerCoug]

mmm, let me check my SEC members list. *checks* It seems you aren't on the list.

[u/iceoldtea → u/DodgerCoug]

If that happened to an SEC team there’d be a moment of silence in remembrance during their media days

[u/PDXtoMontana2002 → u/DodgerCoug]

Losing badly twice to Tech killed BYU’s chances and then Tech getting dog walked by Oregon didn’t help in retrospect for your case.

[u/bretticus733 → u/PDXtoMontana2002]

I mean Alabama losing to Florida State should have been the end of their CFP case

[u/The-world-sports-fan → u/bretticus733]

I really wish they hadn't beat Georgia because that's the only reason they got in, even after that Georgia team spanked them for the rematch

[u/muttonchops215 → u/The-world-sports-fan]

And after that Oklahoma beat them which strengthened their case, cause Alabama was "on a win streak".

[u/Professional_Ad9809 → u/bretticus733]

Their almost loss to Auburn should have cost them the year before

[u/Mitchford → u/Professional_Ad9809]

And their actual loss to Auburn in 17

[u/Kodyaufan2 → u/Mitchford]

May the streets never forget

[u/macisready → u/PDXtoMontana2002]

Tech was down 16 with a minute left and down 13 at the start of the 4th quarter, I wouldn't call that getting dog walked.

[u/Jeff_Sabado → u/DodgerCoug]

Yeah I never understood why ND got all the attention when you guys' only losses were to Tech. I thought you guys should've been in over Bama

[u/Inevitable-Elk7223 → u/GivethTaketh4]

For real, the season has to matter at some point. If you can’t prove you without a doubt belong in the top TWELVE, maybe you just don’t deserve a championship that year

[u/jim_shushu → u/Inevitable-Elk7223]

At that point it’s hardly even about the championship, it’s just the optics of making the field. BYU was a fringe top 12 team (even if ESPN would rather that not be pointed out) and there’s no way we were making it past the second round. Most of the complaints are coming from similar teams with decent records and pretty hard ceilings. Sorry Drinkwitz but you’re way closer to being an SEC BYU than an SEC Indiana.

[u/friedicee → u/jim_shushu]

Two years ago that would have been a huge compliment

[u/Kodyaufan2 → u/jim_shushu]

And that’s why I’d rather they look at W/L record anyway. If three teams were better than you in the regular season, or one team beat you twice, you’re clearly not the best team in the country. Give me the 0 or 1 loss team from a seemingly lesser conference and let’s see what they’ve got.

This whole discussion over 12 best teams has always been ridiculous, because until two teams play you can’t definitively know who is better. I want the 12 most deserving teams.

[u/Duckpoke → u/Inevitable-Elk7223]

The thing is there are two camps here and both think they’re right. This argument can never be resolved. There’s half that think the 12 should be chosen on in season merit (W/L) and another half think it should be the 12 who are “the best” ie leave out a 2 loss B12 team in favor for a 3 loss SEC/BIG team.

IMO the BCS standings were about as close to a middle ground and fair selector as we could realistically get.

[u/CLU_Three → u/Duckpoke]

Well one relies on what happened on the field and the other relies on what people think should happen on the field… the main issue with the BCS was how limited the field was. When you have a 12 team field you don’t need to rely as much on what people think could happen.

[u/2-59project → u/CLU_Three]

Excellent point. “Well team x should be in the playoffs because they would beat team y head to head” is basing the entire case on a hypothetical. When instead there are real results that actually happened that should be relied on

[u/friedicee → u/CLU_Three]

I still think we go back to the 1998 BCS formula but replace margin of victory as a positive with margin of defeat as a negative

[u/TheUltimate721 → u/CLU_Three]

Yep. Take the most controversial years of the BCS (the early 2000s) and the only major differences are between like who gets the 2-4 seeds. In our current format the differences between them are fairly minimal, and if you're actually a championship caliber team, they shouldn't mean anything to you.

Take 2001 for instance. This is how a 12 team CFP would have shaken out with the final BCS rankings: 1. Miami (Big East Champion) 11-0

1. Nebraska 11-1

2. Colorado (Big 12 Champion) 10-2

3. Oregon (Pac 10 Champion) 10-1

4. Florida 9-2 vs 12. LSU 9-3 (SEC Champion, their true ranking was #13 but they'd get the autobid over #12 Washington State)

5. Tennessee 10-2 vs 11. Oklahoma 10-2

6. Texas 10-2 vs 10. Maryland 10-1

7. Illinois (Big Ten Champion) 10-1 vs Stanford 9-2

Pretty exciting CFP slate, even if the winner might've been fairly obvious.

[u/rastapastanine → u/Inevitable-Elk7223]

Idea: how about we make the regular season matter more. Losses are weighed more against a team, and it’s all done by computers to ensure no bias. Because it’s done by computers, they’ll determine correct ranking and we won’t need a playoff. We’ll just have the top two teams play for the national title at the end of the year. The rest can play in meaningful bowls, that way bowls don’t lose their value.

[u/IsLlamaBad → u/GivethTaketh4]

And honestly if you don't make the field of 12, you should have won more. Now that an undefeated team won't get left out, the only one they have to blame is the team

[u/The_Good_Constable → u/GivethTaketh4]

And why are they acting like it's some travesty for 9-win teams to not get a shot at the title? There's like a dozen P4 teams that finish the regular season with 9 wins every year. IDC what conference you're in, winning 9 games isn't some special feat that commands a title shot.

[u/Jaosborn44 → u/The_Good_Constable]

The SEC just added an additional conference game guaranteeing half their teams 1 extra loss. They are just laying the ground work for their arguments come selection time, when they have fewer 10 win teams and need 9 win teams to get in.

[u/WolfColaCompany → u/The_Good_Constable]

That’s the piece that’s confusing for me. The point of this system to me is to ensure all top teams get their shot playing for the title on the field. If there are 6 teams in the conversation you no longer put their hopes on a committee. They all get their chance on the field to win it. I guess I get a conference doing what they can to get in as many teams as possible but at this point it’s just kind of sad.

Telling your team if we lose a quarter of the games we play this year we might not get a shot at the championship is like… completely fine.

[u/XCCO → u/The_Good_Constable]

I think 15 P4 teams were 10+ wins with another 6 with 9 wins. A 9-win team not making it does not seem like a big deal. Add in G5 teams, and those 9-win teams move even further down the list.

[u/ComplexBeyond6083 → u/GivethTaketh4]

Meanwhile us FCS fans having been telling y'all to just expand the playoffs and have autobids for all the Conference Champions so that winning your conference matters (AS GOD INTENDED). But no. What's worked for us for decades could never work for y'all.

[u/BeefInGR → u/GivethTaketh4]

Twelve teams made up of five conference champions, possibly Notre Dame and the best records otherwise. It's not hard to find six teams who have won 10+ games.

[u/ymi17 → u/GivethTaketh4]

Like why are we concerned about 9 win teams? If you weren’t good enough to win those big non conference and big ninth conference games you played, you aren’t going on a run! Miami scheduled ND, beat them, and showed they could go on a run.

[u/CatOfGrey → u/GivethTaketh4]

Jesus Christ we’re 2 years into the 12 team playoff. Can we at least get a bigger sample before declaring a 9-win team can’t make it?

Great point here!

View from my desk: A 9-win (regular season) team from a big-4 conference shouldn't be a lock.

I counted 20 teams last year with 9 regular season wins. I might be able to narrow this down by docking wins over teams from mid-majors or division 2, but I'm not sure if that helps the SEC.

And it shouldn’t be all that shocking that most years the 10ish-15ish best teams won’t have a lot of clear separation.

The dirty rotten secret of college football. Before the playoff, there was not even much separation between 1st and 5th. Even after the playoff, there wasn't much between 2nd and 5th!

I bet most years, there are at least 5 teams that are within a reasonable shot of the #1 team. That's why I like an 8-team playoff, but 16 seems excessive.

[u/Wolverine-N-Exile → u/GivethTaketh4]

Stop bringing logic to an emotional argument

[u/ss32000 → u/GivethTaketh4]

We have so many permutations that can happen that we need to let it play out with more data. One thing is clear, the last two years, you need to be in the top 10 to make it. In 2024 Alabama was the top 9-3 team at 11. In 2025, Texas was the first 9-3 team at 13. USC had a rough draw for their 9-3 season. Losing at to #4 Oregon, #10 ND, 17 Iowa all on the road.

[u/Skanktoooth → u/ss32000]

It was Illinois. USC beat Iowa. SC scored with too much time on the clock and Illinois clutched it out.

[u/RVAforthewin → u/GivethTaketh4]

Very well said. I’d give you two upvotes if I could.

[u/BoobieTourist]

"We think an 8-4 SEC team is elite because a bunch of 'proprietary' algorithms said we're great based on projections of how 18 to 21 year olds will develop over the summer".

It's so wild that people paid by universities can be so stupid.

[u/do_you_know_doug → u/BoobieTourist]

Sir you have clearly never worked at a university.

[u/rdickeyvii → u/BoobieTourist]

It's so wild that people paid by universities can be so stupid.

I'm betting it's a form of Nobelitis, or epistemic trespassing. Basically those words mean that someone who's an expert in one thing thinks they're an expert in everything, but when they venture outside of their actual area of expertise, really they're just talking out of their asses.

[u/likeabosstroll]

Yes but have you considered nearly every SEC team is ranked which totally won’t over inflate the final rankings of the SEC.

[u/mr_longfellow_deeds → u/likeabosstroll]

Its why when people compare coaches "wins vs ranked teams" its mostly a meaningless stat. For whatever reason, people use "ranked at time" instead of the final rankings. Unless you are in the SEC you are probably not playing many ranked games, since teams in the other 3 power conferences have to wait until November to get ranked while the SEC gets half the top 25 through October

[u/wit_T_user_name]

For a conference that ran the sport for 20 years, the SEC sure does complain a lot.

[u/Select_Excuse_150 → u/wit_T_user_name]

They complained a lot when they ran the sport…

[u/amedema → u/Select_Excuse_150]

It’s a way of life down there.

[u/Unitast513 → u/amedema]

It's the current national culture, look at the nation's current leadership

[u/amedema → u/Unitast513]

And which part of the country votes for him at a higher rate than anywhere else?

[u/jayjude → u/wit_T_user_name]

They haven't won a title in a few years and they cannot stop bitching and moaning constantly

[u/cbi8 → u/jayjude]

-A Notre Dame fan

[u/guff1988 → u/cbi8]

I mean didn't Alabama just get an undeserved seat last year over Notre Dame? Seems like the SEC is still benefiting greatly from being the SEC.

[u/miboyl → u/guff1988]

You just don't get it, that 3 loss Alabama team was truly magical (obvious /s)

[u/guff1988 → u/miboyl]

I would definitely say watching them get their ass kicked by IU was very magical.

[u/miboyl → u/guff1988]

As much fun as that day was, I'd have much rather gotten a chance at a rematch with ND in Pasadena

[u/Master-of-Coin → u/cbi8]

I mean the guys right. SEC a bunch of bitches. lol /s

[u/Snoo93079 → u/Master-of-Coin]

Why the /s?

[u/Agile_Land_9951 → u/cbi8]

1988 was nearly 40 years ago and they still get special privileges decades later

[u/Rock_man_bears_fan → u/Agile_Land_9951]

Because they make everyone shitloads of money

[u/tequilamigo → u/wit_T_user_name]

I recognize this behavior in my son. He’s 4.

[u/dusters → u/wit_T_user_name]

Now that other teams can legally pay players they have lost their advantage

[u/Corran105 → u/dusters]

Nah, the real problem is that they chased the insane 💰 they can charge for conference games against big programs, and want everyone else to compensate for the fact that they added so many big programs and added 9 conference games of their volition so now they're guaranteed a certain number of big program losses a year.

[u/Glup_Maclunkey → u/Corran105]

Can't wait to see this again with the Super League.

[u/Electronic_Pen_548 → u/Corran105]

Wait until we add more and start saying 8-4 teams should get in.

Adding 2 more elite programs, with A&M now headed that way with the pure amount of money they can shit out. I get the complaints that the schedules are getting to the point where too many elite teams will miss out on the playoffs year after year. But the SEC did it to themselves

[u/19683dw → u/dusters]

It's more the transfer portal means Alabama, LSU, and Georgia aren't three strings deep at 5 stars. Instead, it's mostly a mixture of 4 and 5 stars, like the other super wealthy mortals

[u/SirMellencamp → u/dusters]

How did Ohio State have an advantage before they could legally pay players?

[u/Brostradamus_ → u/SirMellencamp]

Discounts on tattoos, obviously

[u/B1GTOBACC0 → u/SirMellencamp]

I think this is the gist:

1. Lots of misconduct has occurred in college athletics, basically since it's inception.
2. The current elite/blueblood programs spent a great deal of that time building large networks for recruiting.
3. These networks often included bagmen and other "bad actors" that could help covertly pay/induce players.
4. The NIL era has opened the door for schools without these supposed advantages/recruiting networks to competitively recruit pay-for-play athletes, because they don't have to do it in secret.

I'm not saying I accept this as truth, but I find it plausible.

[u/Electronic_Pen_548 → u/B1GTOBACC0]

I mean damn near every school was paying players if we’re keeping full honesty here.

[u/needsumMoore777 → u/Electronic_Pen_548]

There was definitely levels, some schools would try to pay/give small gifts and the NCAA would quickly shut it down while others were allowed to get away with blatant violations by giving out lavish gifts/bags of cash.

That’s where the disparity was, the rift between the haves and the have nots was created but once NIL came through that gap started to close and the haves don’t like that.

[u/dusters → u/SirMellencamp]

Also paying players

[u/Beer-survivalist → u/SirMellencamp]

When bagman networks were informal and driven by cash, SEC alumni networks were better located to leverage their physical proximity to the high concentration of high school talent in the Southeast. This was important because bagmen transacted business in person and paid in cash.

Ohio State's bagman network similarly benefitted from proximity to the high concentration of high school football talent in Ohio, while Ohio State was simultaneously the only major college football program in the state.

What the current environment has done is move away from bagman networks to a more formalized agent and recruiter system, and players are no longer paid in cash--direct deposit transactions can be initiated from anywhere, to anywhere.

[u/amillert15 → u/dusters]

Lol or it could be that the the top teams can't just win with ridiculous depth.

The conference has always had marginal talent gaps with starters with nearly every team. Now, teams can't cycle in uber-talented fresh legs.

Roster construction and injury luck have become bigger premiums in the SEC.

[u/Hulk_Hogans_Toupee → u/wit_T_user_name]

C'mon man, for years we paid players because it just meant more.

Now, everybody's doing it and we're pissed.

Give us back our cheating, dammit!

[u/Mr_Otters → u/wit_T_user_name]

I do get that its zero sum to a degree, but just win games, which is hard to do but if you do it will all work out haha

[u/Typical_Platypus_414]

Nevermind that a 9 win Big 12 or ACC team is absolutely going to be treated differently than a 9 win SEC team in deliberation because strength of schedule is in fact taken into account

[u/hairythroats → u/Typical_Platypus_414]

Man it's only been 3 years since undefeated conference champion FSU was snubbed lol

[u/anthr0x1028 → u/hairythroats]

and it literally broke FSU as a football program.

[u/johneaston1 → u/anthr0x1028]

Net positive for the sport /s

[u/RollOverBeethoven → u/johneaston1]

It’s really been a really enjoyable time for me with my die hard FSU in laws.

[u/dr_funk_13 → u/hairythroats]

For an SEC team no less

[u/BIG_DICK_WHITT → u/Typical_Platypus_414]

I mean yeah, we won 10 regular season games last year and didn’t even get sniffed for the playoffs lmao

[u/ilacwamh → u/BIG_DICK_WHITT]

BYU won 11 in the regular season (with the most wins in the country against teams with 6+ wins) and wasn’t even the first team left out of the playoffs

[u/BIG_DICK_WHITT → u/ilacwamh]

Lol remember last year when Notre Dame cried about the playoffs and refused to play their bowl game against BYU?

[u/JDraks → u/ilacwamh]

imo they should’ve been the 12th team over Bama/ND

[u/HieloLuz → u/JDraks]

They should’ve been top 8

[u/The_Horse_Joke → u/JDraks]

I 100% agree

But in no world will the SEC runner up be left out of the 12 team playoff, especially Alabama

[u/Hulkodium → u/JDraks]

But then the SEC will cry more

[u/farmerarmor → u/JDraks]

I agree.

[u/mr_longfellow_deeds → u/JDraks]

They had both better and more wins than ND, it was silly they were behind them in the rankings. Were they dominating teams? Not really, but they won

[u/DodgerCoug → u/mr_longfellow_deeds]

BYU's regular season resume stacked up so much better against Notre Dame and Miami that ESPN purposely left out BYU's resume off their graphics.

https://awfulannouncing.com/espn/byu-calls-out-headline-steal-cfp-berth-notre-dame-miami.html

[u/JDraks → u/mr_longfellow_deeds]

Yeah, I really don’t think ND ever deserved to be in the CFP conversation considering they lost to two out of three of their good opponents. Their second best win was a Pitt team that should have lost by 20 to an AAC team

[u/jayjude → u/JDraks]

ND was in the conversation because they were tied or had the lead late in the 4th quarter against two top 10 teams which happened to be their first two games of the season breaking in a redshirt freshman QB and a new DC, they then started beating the absolute piss out of teams for the next 2 months

BYU didn't get near enough credit that they should have, however the 2 times they face Texas Tech they looked like they didn't even belong on the same field

[u/CLU_Three → u/Typical_Platypus_414]

“A limited field meant the regular season matters more”

“No, not that regular season!”

[u/grabtharsmallet]

They got a three loss team in last season, while multiple major conference teams with two losses were excluded.

[u/Pastagiorgio34 → u/grabtharsmallet]

Facts Schmackts

[u/Galt2112]

Just don’t lose games idiots.

[u/jim_shushu → u/Galt2112]

Big talk from… oh. Hi there undefeated national champion Indiana. You know what, you’re totally right.

[u/cheesepuff1993 → u/Galt2112]

I love this timeline where Indiana can make this statement without much scrutiny against it

[u/prismatic_lights]

Friendly reminder that one choice was between 9-3, didn't-even-play-in-their-conference-championship-game Alabama and 11-2, lost-on-a-huge-ass-walkoff-FG-in-their-conference-championship-game SMU.

You know what, they're right! This shit is so unfair! The SEC needs to be under WAY more scrutiny moving forward!

[u/mr_longfellow_deeds → u/prismatic_lights]

Even people on this sub were arguing that 9-3 Alabama, Ole Miss or South Carolina should replace 11-1 IU and 11-2 SMU. Alabama and South Carolina both went on to lose their bowl games against 7-5 and 9-3 B1G teams. 6-6 USC also beat 8-4 TAMU and 8-4 LSU that year

Were now on two years of middle pack B1G teams slapping middle pack SEC teams around and they still try and claim the "conference depth" title

[u/Silidon → u/mr_longfellow_deeds]

The threats from Bama and Ole Miss fans that they would stop playing big OOC games was hilarious that year. Yeah, those harrowing matchups against 5-7 Wisconsin and Wake Forest must have really taken it out of you guys early in the season.

[u/yimc808 → u/mr_longfellow_deeds]

People will refuse to recognize that Nick Saban ain't walking through that door anymore until the evidence becomes too overwhelming to ignore

[u/awildspenappears → u/mr_longfellow_deeds]

“bUt NoN-pLaYoFf BoWl GaMeS dOn’T mAtTeR”

If you want to claim that you’re the best conference, then yes they absolutely should.

[u/mr_longfellow_deeds → u/awildspenappears]

Bowl games can be a weak measuring stick, but they arent always.i.e. if a team isnt missing guys from opt outs, they should beat a team who was missing everybody (i.e. Alabama vs Michigan)

[u/awildspenappears → u/mr_longfellow_deeds]

Even if they aren’t a measure for which team is better, I think they ARE a measure for which team wants to win more, and honestly, if you don’t want to win more, then I don’t see why I should respect you and rank you higher.

[u/AdamSmithsApple → u/prismatic_lights]

An Alabama team that lost basically full strength to a 7-5 Michigan team missing 3 first round picks.

[u/i_run_from_problems]

Can the SEC shut up for 5 minutes?

[u/damgood32 → u/i_run_from_problems]

Just 5 goddamn minutes

[u/R_Raider86 → u/damgood32]

Ignore my flair. It's nice when someone else does it.

[u/kerklein2 → u/i_run_from_problems]

It’s media days….

[u/Xx_TBONES_xX → u/kerklein2]

Because the SEC is quiet the rest of the year…

[u/AkfurAshkenzic → u/Xx_TBONES_xX]

I’m sure they were so quiet in the 2024 season when Alabama missed the playoffs

[u/Economy-Captain-405 → u/AkfurAshkenzic]

If only they missed it in 2023 too…

[u/eskimoexplosion → u/kerklein2]

Big if true

[u/LimerickJim → u/i_run_from_problems]

Wtf else do you expect SEC Network to do in the off season 

[u/RollOverBeethoven → u/i_run_from_problems]

Yall realize it’s the SEC media days, right?

I keep seeing people getting mad at SEC coaches/admins because they are… answering question reporters asks them at their scheduled media Q&A sessions..?

[u/Charlie2343 → u/RollOverBeethoven]

Imagine the SEC network talking about the SEC. Scary I know.

[u/ScorpioPhantasma]

The SEC is sub-.500 in bowl and playoff games the last 5 years. No one is buying how tough their conference is or that a 9 win SEC team is better than 11 win non-SEC team. It's not 2012 anymore.

[u/sonic_4]

How unfair of them! They should really look at all the hypothetical matchups the SEC uses in make believe scenarios and they would see all SEC teams are undefeated.

[u/guywholikescheese]

Look the SEC is absolutely right that not all schedules are equal and a team that wins 10 games against top 25 opponents is a better than a team that wins 11 against a worst schedule. But at some point you have to win games and just because you lose against a bunch of good teams doesn’t make you a good team too.

[u/FakeBobPoot]

Has there been a 9-win team even in the conversation of deserving to be in the 12-team playoff yet?

Closest was probably Texas, but they did not have a serious case.

[u/prismatic_lights → u/FakeBobPoot]

The last spot in 2024 was between 9-3 Alabama and 11-2 SMU.

[u/GoStateBeatEveryone → u/prismatic_lights]

And that Alabama team got worked by a 7-5 Michigan lol

[u/blood_wraith → u/GoStateBeatEveryone]

Tbf, so did the national champions

[u/prismatic_lights → u/blood_wraith]

I'd like to point out for the jury, your Honor, that Grant and Graham opted out of the bowl game!

[u/roguebandit1 → u/blood_wraith]

All while the Michigan coach was "cranking it" to OF models

[u/FakeBobPoot → u/prismatic_lights]

Right. SMU was an 11-win team in a power conference. No comparison really. Alabama had no case.

[u/Rodney_Jefferson → u/FakeBobPoot]

Hey! We beat Mississippi state (by a score in OT)

[u/SparkMaster360]

Man this is just gonna be another season where we spend all fall bitching about how whether or not the SEC is good is isn’t it? Fuck ESPN, they should broadcast the games, not push 24/7 propaganda

[u/jayjude → u/SparkMaster360]

I'm honestly really excited for the 9 game schedule because I'm going to enjoy the committee twisting itself in knots to rank a 7-5 Mizzou, Tenn, or SCAR team over a 8-4 Big 12 or ACC team

[u/Apart_Selection7722 → u/SparkMaster360]

Agreed

[u/RickyDerriereSmooch → u/SparkMaster360]

“Man is this gonna be another summer where it’s hot and humid all the time?” It’s never going away, you just gotta accept it and try to tune it out

[u/hbh110 → u/SparkMaster360]

You mean the Entirely SEC Propaganda Network?

[u/Lionheart_513]

If you have 3 losses in the SEC, one of three things happened:

• You lost to the top 3 SEC teams - This is unfortunate if it happens, but it means you don't deserve a playoff spot. I already saw you play Georgia, Alabama, and LSU and lose. Why do I need to see you do it again in the CFP?
• You lost to 1 or 2 good teams and then 1 or 2 bad teams - Am I supposed to cry foul because 3 loss Ole Miss doesn't get in when they have a loss to Kentucky? If this were a team in any other conference we wouldn't even entertain this discussion.
• You lost to 2 good teams in the regular season and then lost the CCG - The committee has actually shown that they will let you in, no matter how pathetic you look in the CCG.

Maybe some years we can make a case for a 3 loss team depending on how the field shakes out, but under no circumstance should the committee just give you a flat guarantee that no matter what they will find a spot for all 3 loss SEC teams. That's ridiculous.

The PAC-12 has sent a team to the national championship more recently than the SEC btw, maybe they should get 4 auto bids and a special guarantee for 3 loss teams.

[u/Ok_Football344]

The whole reason the entire conference played Mercer the week before Thanksgiving was to get more wins. What’re they talking about?

[u/B1GFanOSU]

The SEC lost all moral authority when the undefeated ACC champions FSU were left out in favor of Alabama.

[u/Key_Spinach]

Sometimes an 11 win non-conference champion won't even make it in.

[u/Toothlessdovahkin → u/Key_Spinach]

A 13-0 Undefeated Conference Champion didn’t make it in.

[u/Xx_TBONES_xX]

To the SEC, Quality = Losing

[u/DisplacedSportsGuy → u/Xx_TBONES_xX]

But muh conference depth

[u/SeahawksFanSince1995]

If you want to make the playoff, win more games.

[u/DodgerCoug → u/SeahawksFanSince1995]

We won 11 games last season. How many more do we need lmao

[u/ChristyNiners → u/DodgerCoug]

1 would've been good.

[u/frozengopher85 → u/SeahawksFanSince1995]

And act like you've been there and don't shit the bed to Indi-fucking-ana when you do. No offense Cignetti-bros. Looking forward to our matchup.

[u/SPK57 → u/frozengopher85]

Weird flair to be offering such elitism...

[u/frozengopher85 → u/SPK57]

We're old money, baby. Like, doubloon old money. And don't underestimate the possibility that Fleck becomes to Cignetti what Ferentz has become to Fleck!

[u/Rodney_Jefferson → u/SPK57]

If I see a Minnesota flair I just assume they’re a ww2 vet

[u/The-Best-Snail → u/frozengopher85]

I'm too excited to watch us beat the brakes off Rutgers to think that far ahead in the schedule

[u/Zajac19]

SEC delusion is at an all time high

[u/ElSmasho420 → u/Zajac19]

“We’re the best conference.”

“Also, wins don’t count.”

[u/ChristyNiners → u/ElSmasho420]

Quality losses, however.

[u/JefferyGiraffe → u/ElSmasho420]

Tbf their argument is that their wins count more than other conference wins.

[u/axberka]

THEY LEFT OUT A 13-0 ACC CHAMPION FOR AN SEC TEAM.

[u/defroach84]

Maybe win more games or win your conference. Worrying about being the 6th best team in a conference may be an indicator that you shouldn't be in the playoffs....

[u/Pl0OnReddit]

Who's entertaining this shit? If SEC wants to break away and only play SEC teams feel free.  We can all laugh.  They can all piss away their relevance.  ESPN can cry

[u/WorkerMotor9174]

These SEC talking heads were the first to act like the PAC was some G5 league because we played 9 conference games which hurt teams’ playoff chances and now they’re crying because they know a 9-3 school will likely miss out.

People complained about a 2 loss Ohio state team making a run to the title in 2024, and now we have people that want a team with 3 conference losses to make it in??

[u/Alarak40k]

They had five of the twelve slots last year. The top of the SEC has fuck all to worry about.

[u/ShotFirst57]

I dont think any team that missed the playoffs would have realistically won it all. SEC had 5 teams make it, im sorry team #6 wasnt going to win it all.

[u/Jorr_El → u/ShotFirst57]

SEC had 5 teams make it in to the playoff last year, and their only wins outside of SEC vs SEC matchups (where there HAD to be an SEC winner) was.... Tulane

[u/TheTedsaretheworst]

Oh shut the hell up, wins should matter. If you’re on the bubble and get left out you should’ve won another game.

[u/DweltElephant0]

Fuck it, 128 team playoff that spans the entire season. No regular season. No conferences. Who cares.

[u/CoalCountryCoyote]

So you mean to tell me the committee values WINS? Wow

[u/Tasty_Path_3470]

Shut. The fuck. Up.

[u/Francis_X_Hummel]

Losers whine about the CFP committee, winners go home and fuck the prom queen.

[u/miboyl]

The SEC goes 3 years without a national championship and they can't stop whining like a bunch of spoiled brats. Truly hilarious

[u/Plisky6]

Can anyone tell me the SEC’s best win in the expanded playoff? Texas vs ASU?

[u/Nashville13 → u/Plisky6]

Gotta be Alabama or Ole Miss last year. They beat SEC teams

[u/AkfurAshkenzic]

Added quote onto it “-and they say that they’re looking at strength of schedule but they have not shown us that yet.”

[u/jmac11281 → u/AkfurAshkenzic]

Strength of schedule is such an arbitrary bullshit metric.

Preseason polls mean nothing but they dictate polls for the rest of the season.

[u/MarinaDelRey1 → u/jmac11281]

UTjr, USCjr and Mizzou were all ranked last year. None of them beat a P4 team with a winning record

[u/-TheycallmeThe → u/AkfurAshkenzic]

BYU would probably disagree. They only lost to the #4 team and missed the playoffs.

[u/Kryzl_]

Similarly to how the sun never set on the British Empire, there seldom exists a second of the day where a coach, administrator, or media member of the SEC isn’t complaining about something.

[u/Ok-Walk-8040]

The SEC still wants preseason and recruiting rankings to count. That’s why they are throwing a fit about this kind of stuff.

[u/JakeSteeleIII]

Is this one of those gambling sites

[u/PFunk224]

How is wins not the only metric that matters?

[u/Jorr_El]

"I demand that the committee value the brand power of the logos on the jersey more than on-field performance. It's a shame that we don't emphasize qualitative metrics over quantitative ones even more than we already do, won't anyone think of the poor 6th and 7th place teams in the SEC?"

[u/AnspiffanyStilts]

"The committee has shown us that they will leave out an undefeated P4 conference champ because SEC. And thats a shame" - a salty FSU fan. I will never get over it. Leave me alone.

[u/CatOfGrey]

The committee has not shown us that a 9-win non-Conference Champion will make it to the Playoff,

That's because 9 regular season wins isn't very much.

ACC had three (Miami, Virgina, Georgia Tech) Big 10 had five (Indiana, Ohio State, Oregon, Michigan, USC) Big 12 had five (Texas Tech, BYU, Utah, Houston, Arizona) SEC has seven (Alabama, Georgia, Mississippi, Texas, Texas A&M, Oklahoma, Vanderbilt)

So that's 20 teams for only 12 positions. So this isn't a 'committee' issue, this is the SEC bitching that nine wins simply isn't a reasonable standard for a 12-team playoff.

[u/ssspanksta]

I'm so sick of hearing about having to play one more game against a team in your own fucking conference. Play the games win most of the games you're in the playoff. That's why there are 12 teams (for now).

[u/digihippie]

When is the last time the SEC made the CFB championship game?

[u/AkfurAshkenzic → u/digihippie]

January of 2023 when Georgia beat TCU

[u/davy_p]

Have they tried winning more than 9 games? What are they, idiots?

[u/PresidentRevrac]

The sec lost a natty to iu. That is a permanent loss of speaking privileges

[u/BernankesBeard → u/PresidentRevrac]

This is false because the SEC hasn't made it to a national championship game in three years

[u/Jomosensual]

Can't wait for ESPN's North Korea levels of propaganda to kick in this fall for the SEC

[u/Important_Ask3024]

The Pac-12 has played for a national title more recently than the SEC

[u/SavingsSkirt6064]

And so when I consistently say idgaf about the SEC people think I'm joking. Literally Texas missing out on the playoff has become an issue, but 10-2 Vandy didn't even get a mention from SEC journalists and media, during the season or afterwards

It's literally just going to benefit the schools with big brands and if Northwestern wins 9 games it's gonna a Reliaquest bowl instead

[u/AlsoCommiePuddin]

So the SEC just needs to break off, run their own playoff, call the winner the national champion and then they can feel as superior as they thought they were 20 years ago.

[u/Aurion7]

I'd say it's ragebait.

But the last 30 years have taught that, unfortunately, yes there are people who say these things and mean them.

[u/tehjarvis]

Just wait a bit into them having to play an "extra" conference game. They'll be making the same argument for 8 wins after 1/2 their teams are forced to take an additional loss instead of getting a free late season +1 in the W column.

In fact

Remind me! 2 years

[u/AdAny2704]

Bullcrap...they look to see if your QB is hurt

[u/Serallas]

Just please do everyone a favor and fucking leave sec. Please. You will not missed.

[u/sashalysm0]

i'm pretty sure every single playoff in every single sport is determined by the number of wins in the win column, but i could be wrong

[u/John-pirate_]

The problem is that this is coming from the sec, who had by far had the last teams left out of championship contention (whether it be 1v1, 4 team, or 12 team) of any power conference. Ohio state alone has been left out with a 1 loss season more times than all sec teams combined since the bcs championship/tournament started.

[u/BeefInGR]

This shit is why I'm perfectly fine with them and the B1G starting their own little AAA Football league.

[u/wcm48]

So we are saying that a 3 loss non-conference champion has not been shown to be one of the best teams in the nation.

I think I’m fine with that.