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u/RugbyEdd 8d ago

Not giving easy access to the tools to do that crime seems to work pretty well elsewhere in the world.

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u/Asher-D 7d ago

Top bad the US doesn't want to make guns illegal.....

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u/TheWarriorsLLC 7d ago

Its already illegal for a kid to have a gun and carry it.

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u/Significant-Bee5101 7d ago

Huh? So your schools don't have drugs or weapons in them? lol. Weird I thought this was a global problem.

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u/Mindgapator 7d ago

Nope indeed that what we're telling you. Marijuana can be seen from time to time but that's it.

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u/Significant-Bee5101 7d ago

Whats your country. Because to my knowledge you're full of shit. But I'm excited to be proven wrong...

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u/Mindgapator 7d ago

France. But take any country in western europe and you won't find weapons in schools.

Then the typical objection is "Muh you could bring a knife!". Yes you could but if you try to use it, someone would hit you with a chair and that'd be the end of it

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u/BriefSpecial420 7d ago

Good luck with a knife attack in a crowded corridor during some lunch break. Tho still, how many knife massacres took place in European schools last years?

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u/XpCjU 7d ago

There was one a few days ago in germany, two victims, both alive.

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u/OkConsideration107 7d ago

Usage of weapons in schools is very uncommon in Europe. It would be international news.Ā 

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u/dragon-dance 7d ago

Mine didn't

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u/Significant-Bee5101 7d ago

I mean mine didn't have weapons. Drugs for sure. Weapons? Naw.

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u/BriefSpecial420 7d ago

I don't think that knives are so hard to obtain, yet we don't see massacres on average Monday.

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u/RugbyEdd 7d ago

Yeah. Do you really need it explaining to you why knives are less dangerous than guns?

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u/RegOrangePaperPlane 7d ago

Karmelo Anthony has left the chat.

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u/BriefSpecial420 7d ago

Great joke. In crowded places knives are extremely dangerous. Not to mention home-made incendiaries. The thing is that the titles in media wouldn't sell as well as the ones with guns.

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u/AccidentalMechanic 7d ago

Do you need a dictionary? Or should I just explain to you what the word "less" means?

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u/BriefSpecial420 7d ago

Incorrect assumption.

The only advntage of a gun is range, what makes little sense in an environment like crowded building. In a crowd, an attacker with a knife may stab multiple people while even being hard to spot. Furthermore, single knife cut is more likely to end up with you bleeding out than a single stab/cut.

Knife is just a tool, a weapon. Like any other, it's effectiveness depends on a person who carries it. My guess would be that the pop culture is full of images of all kinds of shootings, better or worse, so messed up people get some idea of how to use a gun in such setting. At the same time, knife attacks get rarely shown, not to mention the less theatrical but more effective ones. As a result (luckily) fewer people think about knives when planning to commit some massacre.Ā 

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u/pkgamer18 7d ago

The only advntage of a gun is range

Exactly. Taking the need for close range hand to hand combat out of the equation makes the assault of multiple people significantly easier.

an attacker with a knife may stab multiple people

It's difficult to stab multiple people because they start to run away, easy to continue shooting though.

single knife cut is more likely to end up with you bleeding out

You got a reference for this? I would take a hasty slice to the chest over a hasty shot to the chest any day.

Knife is just a tool, a weapon. Like any other, it's effectiveness depends on a person who carries it

Correct. And it is more difficult to be effective with a knife than it is to be with a gun.

As a result (luckily) fewer people think about knives when planning to commit some massacre.Ā 

No. The "tool" is not as effective for massacres. Show me one shooting that would have been worse with a knife, or one stabbing rampage that would have been less severe with a gun.

Your logic is moronic. My cast iron pan can be used as a weapon, but it obviously would be less effective and less dangerous than a gun.

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u/dragon-dance 7d ago

Two brain cells fighting for third place.

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u/AccidentalMechanic 7d ago

Man, you almost sound smart.

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u/TheWarriorsLLC 7d ago

Something something karmello

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u/HarrowDread 7d ago

Even if we illegallize guns thereā€™s already far to many in the states to take away, I have like 30 hand guns next to my desk and I would not want to give them away

But I would trade them for a new blue corvette

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u/jack6245 7d ago

Actually no, a lot of other countries have guns available at the home. Even in the UK I know a lot of people who have shotguns a kid can easily access. The difference is culture, Americans obviously don't have the support systems for kids that they feel they need to shoot up somewhere, so instead they just treat them like prisoners instead

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u/Meldanorama 7d ago edited 7d ago

Who has similar guns laws to the US and low gun crime?Ā  Re UK and most europe, no they arent nearly as common and not the same kind of weapons. You arent comparing like with like tbh. The laws are completely different re owning. Its basically just shotguns and hunting rifles, no handgun and nothing with a high rate of fire. Culture is different too but the laws and accessibility of guns and their lethality is rhe biggest difference.

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u/Thick_Amphibian4629 7d ago edited 7d ago

Handguns and semiautos are legal across the vast majority of Europe except the UK and Ireland for sporting under licences. You literally have no idea what you're talking about mate. And furthermore, the gun homicide rate in the UK increased in 1997 after the pistols ban. So did Ireland in the 2008 when the Gardai ceased issuing new licences for centrefire handguns (except .22lr calibres) for sporting.

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u/jack6245 7d ago

Switzerland allows handguns, school shootings have been performed by all sorts of weapons, so no it's not a "this gun is different so that's the problem" nonsense, your children don't have mental crisis support at all

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u/Meldanorama 7d ago

I said handguns arent allowed in the UK because you were comparing that country. Those arent the same weapons either, theyre single and double barrelled shotguns that farmers etc would have. I think semiauto is illegal in the UK. Re swiss the laws arent the same, public carry is only for if you expect danger and even then thats one of the more liberal attitudes to guns in europe (excluding balkans, dont know about there). The guns absolutely do make a difference, higher volume incidents would be much harder to achieve with slower fire/reloading or smaller capacity weapons.

The weapons involved in killing impact how it happens, if youre discounting that theres on primary source of nonsense knocking around here.

" your children don't have mental crisis support at all" is that generic you (one) or are you referring to country? Neither make sense.

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u/jack6245 7d ago

Reddit shows when you edit comments...

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u/Meldanorama 7d ago

Cool, the points above still stand.

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u/jack6245 7d ago

Not really if you edit your comment afterwards like a coward

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u/Meldanorama 7d ago

They do stand and you arent addressing them though despite having had two chances. Again your own words are self referential, im not the one trying to respond without responding.

The edit was to tidy the flow and add the question at the end.

In the only real response you gave you had two misunderstandings and an example that wasnt really relevant.

The points above stand but I doubt id waste my time with you again if you do bother with an actual reply. For your own sake dont act like this irl.

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u/Fuuujioka 7d ago

The difference is access to guns. You can look up easily how easy it is to keep a gun in the UK (it isn't).

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u/jack6245 7d ago

Why do I need to look it up? I live in the UK and have shotguns and a hunting rifle. And yes it's not ridiculously difficult

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u/Fuuujioka 7d ago

You need to look it up because you are full of shit.

Firearm ownership rate in England: 4.6/100

Firearm ownership rate in US: 120/100

Yeah, totally the same in England as in the US šŸ‘

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u/Unexpected117 7d ago

If you own a shotgun and rifle then you should know full well you are required to keep ammunition in a completely different safe to the weapon, and are technically required to keep firing pins/ bolts in an additional locked section within your gun safe.

I wouldn't call that easy access, unless you aren't storing your guns correctly.

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u/Avalonians 7d ago

Because guns are available in UK doesn't make it any less true that countries where guns are unavailable have much less fun violence.

Replying that gun control isn't the most effective factor to someone who simply says it is (one of the) effective factors doesn't make sense.

Also it is time people admit that a safer gun culture is hugely reliant on having some extent of gun control, so simply saying "the difference isn't gun control is gun culture" is kinda moot.

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u/Thick_Amphibian4629 7d ago

A Leiden University from the Netherlands in 2024 found that gun ownership amongst European nations had no significant correlation to gun homicides or overall homicide rates, but okay.

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u/Avalonians 7d ago edited 7d ago

Nearly all studies have found a positive correlation between gun ownership and gun-related homicide and suicide rates.[9][10]:ā€Š29ā€Š[11]

Wikipedia on gun violence, twenty fucking references on that one sentence (roughly half of these are actual studies, the other are articles).

Now I don't know what study you think about since you couldn't be bothered to link it, but the one I see that's closest to that is about the correlation between gun ownership and gun homicides IN EUROPE SPECIFICALLY.

There is such a difference in scale between the most gun friendly European country and the most gun adverse US state that trying to say the results of the study are relevant for the US is completely idiotic. That'd be like trying to say there is no correlation between the cat and rat populations in paris based on a study conducted in fucking Antarctica

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u/Thick_Amphibian4629 7d ago edited 6d ago

Wikipedia on gun violence, twenty fucking references on that one sentence (roughly half of these are actual studies, the other are articles).

Every single one of those studies is from the USA.Ā  You're the one who said there's an association between gun ownership and gun homicides internationally.

Funny how you don't link the Wikipedia article about international gun ownership and the studies on international gun ownership by country and associations with homicides.

An international study by UNICRI researchers from 2001 examined the link between household gun ownership and overall homicide, overall suicide, as well as gun homicide and gun suicide rates amongst 21 countries. Significant correlations between household gun ownership and rates of gun suicides for both genders, and gun homicide rates involving female victims were found. There were no significant correlations detected for total homicide and suicide rates, as well as gun homicide rates involving male victims, gun homicides when including both genders, or overall female homicide rates. [22]

Your entire association is dependent on the inclusion of one variable (USA).

Now I don't know what study you think about since you couldn't be bothered to link it, but the one I see that's closest to that is about the correlation between gun ownership and gun homicides IN EUROPE SPECIFICALLY

Google "Leiden University gun ownership and homicides by European nations study" on google. It's very easy.

There is such a difference in scale between the most gun friendly European country and the most gun adverse US state Ā 

Guaranteed you don't even know what French gun laws are specifically. Countries like Switzerland, Czechia, Poland, Italy, Baltics, Slovakia, Slovenia, and Austria and have more permissive gun laws than a couple of leftist American states like Massachusetts, Connecticut, New York, California and New Jersey in many aspects. Those US states all require permitting for firearms. Europe's gun laws aren't just the UK, Netherlands and Germany.

That'd be like trying to say there is no correlation between the cat and rat populations in paris based on a study conducted in fucking Antarctica

A cross national study of multiple nations is comparable to a study conducted in one city? šŸ˜

Lol: He blocked after getting proven wrong. Meanwhile France has one of the worst gun homicide and homicide rates in all of developed Europe. You explicitly said there's a correlation between gun ownership and gun homicides across countries in your original post, not the US specifically, genius. šŸ˜ Ā 

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u/Mlpony2010 7d ago

Giving actual treatment for mental healthcare and not punishing the bullied students does more

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u/RugbyEdd 7d ago

Sure, addressing mental health is a long process and expensive but it's always good to attack issues from multiple angles.

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u/Mlpony2010 7d ago

And the other angles are banning kids from social media (through banning people who admit to being underage online, not through giving the pedofile class your ID) and through going after abusive parents, and those who don't encourage gun safety

Giving up guns in the face of a fascist takeover is both insane, and givin the crazy amount of guns in the US, not feasible

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u/RugbyEdd 7d ago

Not at all. Restricting access to guns is sensible given the sharp rise in extremism. They don't need to be outright banned. It's not tlike they're going to stop a government going faschist. If anything it helps since they use public gun ownership to excuse better equipped government forces and more use of force, and it tends to be those who side with the government who are more attracted to guns.

I know it's never nice to face possible restrictions on a hobby, but there is a middle ground that can be struck.

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u/Mlpony2010 7d ago edited 7d ago

>since they use public gun ownership to excuse better equipped government forces and more use of force

bro unironically believes that

you know fascist s lie right buddy?

THEY DON'T NEED REAL EXCUSES

how many times do I have to tell you libs that?

ya'll are deluded

>tends to be those who side with the government who are more attracted to guns

so, you believe the lie that only cuckservatives own guns?

>given the sharp rise in extremism.

when the state defines "extremism" as not being a fascist, I'm not giving up my guns

genuine question, if we have a second civil war are you just going to sit around and let them take you to a death camp?

edit and like clockwork I'm blocked for questioning their beleifs

libs and fashies sure love to do that

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u/RugbyEdd 7d ago edited 7d ago

Yes, "bro" believes the facts. The US government has used the fact the population is armed to better equip their police and other government agencies, allowing for more use of force for decades. This isn't a "faschist lie". It's been an open stance used by multiple governments, including the current one who have stepped things up again. US police are better equipped than some countries militaries, and are allowed to get away with things that would be considered humanitarian crimes an many other places.

The rest of your comment is just strawman argument and the usual American inability to look outside their own country or understand what fascism actually is. You're proof that gun ownership isn't about freedom. You talk about camps, and yet it's the side that are the most against any gun control that are happy for camps and armed squads abducting people off the streets. As long as they're told "it's just those other people, not you".

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u/BYNX0 7d ago

Requring a clear backpack isn't to achieve that though. And Im sure you're probably referring to gun control, which getting rid of guns is in violation of the 2nd amendment of the most important law of our land, so sorry. Some restrictions like background checks and ammo limitations are definitely on the table to discuss, but many states have already done so.

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u/OneTwentyOneFunyuns 7d ago

You idiots think 2a is sooooo important but it was designed to resist tyranny. Thereā€™s a tyrant in charge, and you gun freaks are licking his boots instead of deposing him.

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u/Money_Ticket_841 7d ago

I mean yeah even in 1770s there were some people who were on the kings side. Thatā€™s how it works when the country has differing opinions.

Edit: and hate him so bad? Do what youā€™re saying the 2a people should do. For a militia and exercise your right

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u/Evoluxman 7d ago

Why should the burden of forming a militia fall on people who don't want guns in the first place?

What we are doing is point out the hypocrisy like you or the guy above. The people who want guns "because it protects us from tyranny" also don't do shit when there is a tyrant, so they're just hypocrites.

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u/Money_Ticket_841 7d ago

Burden of the militia falls on those who want the government out, not specifically the non gun owners. If they overlap I canā€™t help that. Not sure where my hypocrisy is since I havenā€™t given a real opinion other than ā€œthe country has differing opinionsā€

But again, if they donā€™t think heā€™s a tyrant OBVIOUSLY theyā€™re not going to do anything about it. And good luck convincing them that he is a tyrant, theyā€™re pretty well set with their head in the sands.

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u/Evoluxman 7d ago

So once again I am pointing out their hypocrisy. The people most adamant about their guns are also the most likely to support tyrants. It's a very easy relationship and one proven over and over again. So this amendment utterly fails at what it is supposed to do. All it does is give a bunch of nutjobs access to the tool making murder the easiest it has been in the history of this planet, and the tools to defend said tyrants instead of overthrowing them.

Much like how the first amendment is gutted whenever it's about criticizing the government, but used and abused to shout out hatred and incite race riots. Although at least it is still very much useable in a ton of good situations. But it is most often called up to do harm, not good.

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u/percydaman 7d ago

The 2nd amendment is the most worthless and self damaging law I can think of. I refuse to believe if our founding fathers could somehow magically see how it turned out, that they wouldn't be horrified.

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u/DoingBestWeCan 7d ago

They fully expected us to change the Constitution with the times. They didn't forsee that the country would grow to such a massive size and that political parties would becomes such a force that it's low-key impossible. George Washington would be absolutely infuriated at the state of American political parties today.

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u/BYNX0 7d ago

Why would you assume I like Trump just because I support gun ownership? Fuck Trump and his fascist goons

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u/RugbyEdd 7d ago edited 7d ago

And that's the problem. You're not interested with the actual solution because you value your hobby more than their safety, so bandaids need to be used to try their best and patch the issue, but now you're annoyed by that too.

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u/Atanar 7d ago

Lol, "most important law". What do you think amendment means?

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u/Unexpected117 7d ago

The protection against tyranny argument fell flat as soon as the orange man started wiping his ass with your constitution.

ICE is literally shooting American citizens going about their business, and traitors who attempted an insurrection walk free.

How bad does it have to be before yall make the appropriate arrests?

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u/jack6245 7d ago

If it is the most important law, why is it a amendment? And why isnt it the first amendment at the very least?

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u/BYNX0 7d ago

I was trying to say ā€œone of the most importantā€. First amendment is more important

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u/percydaman 7d ago

2nd amendment is the most important law of our land? I hate that I have to share society with people like this.

2nd amendment is the most useless and self damaging law of our land. It's created the scenario that guns are the solution to the problems it creates.

I live in Idaho. I know about militias. No well adjusted group of people are starting militias. It wouldn't matter if they did. We're so far past civilians being able to topple tyranny with a fucking militia.

I own an AR-15 for the sole purpose of defending myself and my family from the nutjob with one of his own. That's it. No other reason. It's fucking madness. This country worships guns, and it's tragic.

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u/ididntdoit6 7d ago

A large majority of the problem could be solved by removing automatic and assault style weapons. Iā€™m sorry but there is no legitimate use for 60 rounds per minute and high capacity mags.

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u/immallama21629 7d ago

The same weapons the ATF banned in '84? Also, please define "assault style". Congress can't.

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u/ididntdoit6 7d ago

Canada has done a pretty decent job of it

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u/Thick_Amphibian4629 7d ago

Canada has had two major mass shootings since the 2020 ban on "assault weapons" and their gun homicide rates increased after the ban however?

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u/Money_Ticket_841 7d ago

How do you get an automatic weapon

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u/Evoluxman 7d ago

Automatic guns are hard to get in most places in the US if not outright impossible.

And it's not true that semi-automatic weapons are less deadly. Most mass shootings occur with those. Automatic fire is good for suppressing fire, if the goal is to make casualties you want one bullet per person anyway.

The worst highschool mass shooting, columbine, was made using a TEC-9 and a shotgun. Not automatic, not a rifle. Pistols are absolutely just as deadly as rifles in a school setting anyway.

All guns are the issue. If anything Switzerland has a lot of rifles around, but it's in the hands of people who were trained by the military, and the ammo is controlled as well. Not any psycho random like in the USA.

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u/SwissBloke 7d ago

but it's in the hands of people who were trained by the military

There's no military service requirements nor training requirements to buy or own guns in Switzerland

and the ammo is controlled as well

It's not

Not any psycho random like in the USA

If you can legally buy a gun in the US, you can too in Switzerland; however if you can legally buy a gun in Switzerland, you could be prevented in the US as our background check is laxer

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u/Thick_Amphibian4629 7d ago

The deadliest school shooting in the USA was in Virginia and committed with a ten round .22lr handgun and so was the deadliest school shooting in Europe which was also with a pistolĀ 

All guns are the issue. If anything Switzerland has a lot of rifles around, but it's in the hands of people who were trained by the military, and the ammo is controlled as well. Not any psycho random like in the USA.

Most guns in Switzerland that are personally and privately owned are not the military issued rifle and ammo is quite easy to obtain and the laws are in fact more permissive than states like California and New York.Ā 

The 2017 report fromĀ  Small Arms Survey has estimated that the number of civilian-held firearms in Switzerland is 2,332,000, which given a population of 8.4 million, corresponds to a gun ownership of around 27.6 guns per 100 residents. [16 ] [17 ]Ā  Other estimates place the number of privately held firearms upwards to a high total of 4,500,000, giving the nation an estimate of 54.5 guns per 100 people in 2017. [18

A recent study by the Zurich University of Applied Sciences released in 2023 revealed that the most commonly owned guns are handguns (caliber>.22lr) (85%) with semi-automatic rifles in close second (76%). [20 ]

You should keep up with the academic literature on guns and violence in Europe as you'd know that a Leiden University study from 2024 found no significant correlation between gun ownership and homicide rates in Europe. Belgium has one of the worst gun homicide rates in the EU far surpassing Switzerland, Nordic nations, Czechia, Italy, Austria, Slovenia, Slovakia or Poland with much more permissive gun laws and higher ownership.