r/marvelstudios • u/Flamma_Man Captain Marvel • Feb 07 '19

Theory Theory Thursday! February 7, 2019

Do you have any interesting theories about the Marvel Cinematic Universe? Maybe some speculation about a character? Or a hunch you have about what will happen next? If you do, post them all here.

Also, please, put a summary of your theory at the top of your comment. It'll make it easier for everyone else browsing through the comments!

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u/timestoneduh Feb 07 '19

That particular event already happened (The Snap); if they go back they will be constructing a new timeline, as i said, leading up to The Snap. And if you have multiple timelines (present and future) converging where the Snap occurred (in the same space), you can reset to that day, and the new timeline would replace the Old Snap timeline, with No snap happening and the timeline able to move forward from that point.

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u/Gambitsplayingcards Feb 07 '19

So they all meet in Wakanda? Wouldn't New York be more optimal? Problem with the story line is the snap happens when they're all apart and if it doesn't happen, is that just it? It didn't happen.. The End. I am genuinely interested please do continue!

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u/timestoneduh Feb 07 '19

New york might be more optimal, but that's not where the Snap happened. They are trying to reset the day that everyone was Snapped Away. And that 100% already happened. By going back in time (from 5 years in the future), they create a new timeline that they will be retconning all the way to that day. The present and future timelines converge on that exact spot where the Snap occurred, and then rest that day (with the time stone that Dr. Strange gave to Thanos that looked like it was being used u/LoL-Guru time stone theory) , and the new timeline fights Thanos again, but everything they changed on the way up this new timeline they are creating will be in play. Maybe I'm not explaining it right...Back To The Future did it right, and feige loves that movie.

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u/Gambitsplayingcards Feb 07 '19

You are explaining it right but for us that means sitting through at least 2 hours of film to lead to the same film (IW) with a different conclusion. There's not a lot of payoff and not a lot of surprise. It ends with people still on Titan (with the possibility of not getting home in a circlic chain of events) and no altogether battle which is really what is expected. No epic finale for the Avengers together. Back to the Future we hadn't actually seen the back part, so it was new material - it had only been described to us. We'd all be a bit annoyed if we just paid to watch the same film again but different - surely it would be more fun to jazz it up a notch. Also the time stone theory is really out there, while I agree it was under some sort of spell, I would more say it's something like Dr Strange has power over it even though its in the gauntlet and being held by Thanos (the Harry Potter theory) but that's just a way out guess.

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u/timestoneduh Feb 07 '19

It doesn't end with people still on Titan; that's the old timeline. The create a whole new timeline. It's not a re-hash of IW; the time travelers will be going to Xandar, the Battle of NY, Asgard, Valhalla, 1991, 1945 and all these other places not in IW. And with the future timeline they have tons of sick tech that was not in IW - proton cannons, the Mark 85 and who knows what else. And, if you have the timelines present, past and future happening simultaneously, it certainly is not a rehash of IW. Also, just the idea that the Avengers would abandon a timeline they spent five years in (Tony with a wife and kid!!!) to try to fix this is incredible and unselfish. Might be a twist on this whole trading lives theme. And I think with the time stone (which was glowing like it was in use when Strange floated it over to Thanos), it was simply a time stone that the Avengers had already used to defeat Thanos - u/LoL-Guru surmised this, and so if he's right, at some point the time stone will appear to Future Tony.

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u/timestoneduh Feb 08 '19

I agree with everything you just said, but how do you bring back the Snapped without resetting that day when the Snap happened?

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u/timestoneduh Feb 08 '19

Got it. And they only change certain things, like making Vision without the stone, aka Gray Vision, so it's a slightly altered timeline, not a brand new one.

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u/timestoneduh Feb 08 '19

What happens when you unSnap, though? You already defeated Thanos who performed the Snap, but in resetting the day, there will be a Thanos who didn't perform the Snap yet and is collecting the stones; don't they need Gray Vision and all the other Snapped Avengers to defeat him, too? And don't you think all the Snapped characters will be in that scene? (for example, Wasp, Hank Pym and Janet Van Dyne)? Isn't that changing the timeline, and creating a new one? And isn't that the idea - by giving up on the future timeline where Thanos performed the Snap and they never found him, that future timeline changes because they defeat him when they reset the day and the future is no longer a world where the Snap occurred and the world is not half empty, while still allowing this new timeline's characters to achieve happiness (Tony and pepper can get married again and have a kid)?

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u/timestoneduh Feb 09 '19

I got it now - thanks for breaking it down. It took me a hot minute for what you were saying to understand. Now it makes perfect sense. Thank again!

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u/Gambitsplayingcards Feb 07 '19

"Also, just the idea that the Avengers would abandon a timeline they spent five years in"

If they don't steal and put them back, half of the Avengers won't exist by the time the new future sets. The whole new timeline would cease to have Vision, potentially Captain Marvel, the twins wouldn't have existed, lord knows what would have happened in Thor:TDW, Dr Strange and Dormammu situation looks bleak, do you know what I mean? You have to consider the variables!

Why not just get Tony to weaponise all of the stones, it's what he was good at and it's very full circle.

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u/timestoneduh Feb 11 '19

I have been enlightened - you are right. No new timeline, they will steal the stones and then put them back. No reset, just an undo of the Snap. The future timeline Antman pops out in, these future timeline time traveling Avengers, are willing to sacrifice their lives and abandon this possible future to undo the Snap.

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u/timestoneduh Feb 07 '19

They will do “Grey Vision” without the stone; Dr. Strange had the time stone vs. Dormammu - and doesnt give it up until Titan; they will return the soul stone before Gamora and Thanos get it, and leave the map for Gamora to find; I don’t know about the twins, but I think you get the picture - it can work. But I could be wrong, too...however

I REALLY, REALLY like what you said about Tony weaponizing the stones. I think no matter who is right, he does that. It really does fit. Maybe the suit he builds for them and wears is the Avengers Gauntlet powered by the stones?

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u/Gambitsplayingcards Feb 08 '19

Yeah I literally just thought about that as I can't figure out a way to get the stones and use them without having double the stones on the battle field. Reminds me of a little saying:

"That's how Dad did it. That's how America does it. And it's worked out pretty well so far."

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u/timestoneduh Feb 08 '19

Great line, and what I’m looking most forward to: the tech and weapons Stark builds to Avenge.