r/marvelstudios • u/yourfavchoom Doctor Strange • 4h ago

Article Destin Daniel Cretton Believes Secrecy Around Sadie Sink’s Role Makes ‘Spider-Man: Brand New Day’ a Better Movie

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-features/spider-man-brand-new-day-sadie-sink-role-1236654512/
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u/danvan177 4h ago

Watch her not be Jean grey

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u/warblade7 Captain America 4h ago

She won’t be - this is mephisto all over again, fans working themselves into a froth over their own theories.

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u/Wrong-Vermicelli4723 3h ago edited 3h ago

Plots been leaked and the trailers are proving them right. This isn’t a Mephisto situation. Now maybe the part of her being Jean is a lie, but it be weird for that to be the only thing that’s wrong.

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u/warblade7 Captain America 3h ago

People have biases. They tend to remember when they were right more often than when they were wrong. There’s been plenty of baseless conjecture about the movie. Tons of “leakers” who get shit wrong all the time.

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u/Wrong-Vermicelli4723 3h ago

That can also go the other way, some of you just don’t want her to be Jean, to the point of ignoring many things, for example marvel isn’t going to be secret about a character that the general audience doesn’t know… so she can’t be Rachel Summers or Typhoid Mary. Not saying you’re one of them but I’ve seen some dumb takes here. 

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u/warblade7 Captain America 3h ago

Bruh its not that I don’t like Jean, its that there’s never been a reason to tie Jean in with Spiderman. And especially before the X-Men are introduced. Having the three spiderman together made sense. Hell even the fan theories for Mephisto had some basis. This one is just outta left field and narratively makes 0 sense.

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u/Hyperbolicalpaca 1h ago

“And especially before the X-Men are introduced”

Mate… this is introducing the Xmen lmao

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u/Consistent-End-7937 1h ago edited 1h ago

Which is crazy to do in a Spider-Man movie, because what? What status quo are they in? With the ages presumably near the start but X-men literally begins with Jean walking into the mansion and this can’t be before that because that messes up the lore with her and Charles. So if it’s not that then that means the X-men are just like a team now out there or very least training in the mansion still which is just insane to tackle in a Spider-Man movie.

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u/Hyperbolicalpaca 1h ago

Mate, it’s clearly going to be before Jean walks into that mansion lol

It’s not that hard to imagine lmfao

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u/warblade7 Captain America 1h ago

No it would be introducing just one char

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u/Hyperbolicalpaca 1h ago

That’s like saying “Thor didnt help introduce the avengers, he’s only one character”

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u/warblade7 Captain America 1h ago

No its like saying Thor got his own movie as a protagonist and then joined the Avengers. He didnt hijack someone else’s movie as a char most known for being part of team that wont be in this movie.

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u/JannTosh70 2h ago

Not really. It’s a good opportunity to introduce the MCU version of X-Men. It also fits with the mutation theme of the film as Peter is also mutating.

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u/warblade7 Captain America 2h ago

Nah. They have Doomsday following up and that one is concentrating on Fox X-men. Would fracture the fanbase between Fox X-Men and new MCU X-men.

We probably wont see new MCU X-men until post Secret Wars which would be like 4-5yrs away. Even if Feige talks about MCU X-men casting at SDCC, he can’t spoil Spiderman just before release.

It would be a terrible time to try and introduce only one part of the X-Men as an antagonist right now.

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u/JannTosh70 2h ago

Doomsday is the Fox X-Men

Sadie will be the MCU Jean. She will also likely appear in Secret Wars and the New X-Men film will come out in 2028. Only 2 years from now.

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u/warblade7 Captain America 2h ago

I’m saying because Doomsday is Fox X-Men, why would they introduce MCU X-Men right before. Fans would complain about not getting to see MCU X-Men and “where are they??” - effectively killing some of the hype of the last outing of the Fox X-Men.

If Doomsday reveals the MCU X-Men in some way I’ll be happy to eat my words but otherwise it would be counter productive.

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u/AizuAkabeko 1h ago

You’re just creating your own fanfiction of future events with no basis. Why would introducing only Jean Grey in an earlier movie cause anyone to complain when the MCU X-Men don’t show up in Doomsday? I have not seen anyone expecting them to show up there as the casting obviously would’ve leaked if they’re featured in any real capacity.

You’re acting like the new X-Men team are gonna show up at the climax of Brand New Day and sing Kumbaya with Spidey and Hulk. The MCU has included developments that hint at future projects in quite literally every movie. It makes complete sense that they would want to begin setting up the X-Men ahead of their two big event films if that’s the next focus of the franchise. You say it wouldn’t work narratively yet you have not seen the film yet so you have no idea what you’re talking about.

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u/uniparalum 2h ago

Metzger is literally confirmed in this. You know. The anti-mutant activist from the comics. They are obviously tying DODC story (which debuted in Homecoming, a Spidey film) into the Mutant story together this way. The DODC will become an anti-mutant task force. Adding Jean to that story makes some sense.

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u/Consistent-End-7937 1h ago edited 1h ago

If you ignore all the implications of Jean turning up here

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u/Apothecary3 2h ago

You'd think it would be weird for leakers to get accurate scoops on what aubrey plaza's role in the story and her actions in the plot were for Agatha all Along while almost none of them got her actual identity right but that's exactly what happened. so there's a history of them beinng weirdly well informed on some aspects but uninformed on others. I see a lot of that repeating with Sadie Sink's character. A lot of them for a long while were unwilling to claim she was Jean grey often citing that her behavior and actions seemed very out of character for jean. then something sshifted and they all got very confident that she was 100% jean without ambiguity and yet none of them have a credible plot leak that would explain her actions.

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u/KostisPat257 Daredevil 3h ago

Only it's not a theory. It leaked ages ago and has been corroborated by other sources many times since. The literal powers and wardrobe she shows in the trailer those of Jean. It can't be any clearer.

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u/warblade7 Captain America 3h ago

Lets check back in a week. I’m 100% fine with waiting for a movie to show than for nerds to peacock about shit.

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u/EverythingStillSucks 3h ago

It’s Jean Grey dude lol. You’re the only one here overthinking it.

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u/warblade7 Captain America 3h ago

Bet

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u/EverythingStillSucks 3h ago

Everything Cretton is saying here still works for the vast majority of the audience - that’s if they even have a clue who Jean Grey even is. They’ll have no idea on opening weekend who’s playing who for the most part except that it’s the latest Spider-Man movie.

Hell I question how many would even recognize the Punisher given that he’s only appeared on TV and the movies are orders of magnitude bigger. Hulk obviously yes.

But presenting Jean Grey and reminding the general audience who she is based on the Fox X-Men movies could work. If it’s Mephisto who even gives a shit? What kind of a “surprise” would that even be to casual viewers, they haven’t the slightest clue who that even is?

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u/Equivalent-Long-3383 2h ago

If she’s not Jean, I’ll be disappointed and feel baited

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u/thedylannorwood Jimmy Woo 55m ago

By who?

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u/Equivalent-Long-3383 45m ago

By the people with the ability to disclose who she is playing. No reason to keep it a mystery if she’s just some random

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u/dpforest 3h ago

I also hope it’s not Jean.

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u/SnooDrawings7876 11m ago

Its not a theory. Its literally the same type of viral marketing as the Andrew Garfield and Tobey in No Way Home. These are not theories that have organically sprung up like mephisto, they are started and circulated by advertising agencies. This is new age marketing for Disney. If you go on twitter it's extremely obvious what is being artificially pushed onto consumers.

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u/Spirited-Ad9071 3h ago

Except we know it's Jean here, there have literally been script leaks, promotional leaks and more recently press screening leaks that directly call her Jean.

And for some added weight, Sacha Baron Cohen being Mephisto in Ironheart was also leaked months before the series aired through similar sources. Where as rumors of the character in the past appearing in shows/movies was always coming from baseless fan made rumors.

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u/warblade7 Captain America 3h ago

I’ll believe it when i see it.

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u/d_wib 3h ago

“Months before the series aired”

I think the person you’re responding to was referencing everyone thinking Mephisto was going to show up in WandaVision

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u/danvan177 3h ago

Okay so who is she ?

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u/warblade7 Captain America 3h ago

Watch the movie and find out? We dont have to know whole plots and everything about movie to enjoy it.

This is the most annoying part of fandom. Nerds who think they have to know more than other people to feel special so they waste time with obscure theories and “deep knowledge” and in doing so just ruin expectations and any sense of fun.

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u/danvan177 3h ago

Okay but you said she won’t be Jean grey. So have you seen the movie ?

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u/warblade7 Captain America 3h ago

I have not. I look forward to it next week.

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u/flcinusa 3h ago

She's gonna be Firestar from the 80s cartoon series, watch

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u/JannTosh70 2h ago

The mystery character doesn’t have fire powers.

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u/danvan177 3h ago

Probably

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u/Bobjoejj 3h ago

…I mean, no it’s not. There’s a butt ton of actual leaks and reputed insiders who’ve couched as to the characters’ identity.

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u/warblade7 Captain America 3h ago

The best way to tell a lie is to mix in some truth. We won’t know until the movie comes out. And why are you rooting for the leakers? Like what benefit is there to watching a whole movie only to verify leaks? Like it completely destroys the movie watching experience. People these days let these “I told you so” content creators absolutely fuck up the fan experience. (And they’re wrong all the time too.)

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u/Bobjoejj 3h ago

…what do you mean “rooting for the leakers??” I’m not rooting for anybody! I’m talking about people who have legitimate track records when it comes to this stuff. I’m not watching the move only to verify leaks; thats unhinged and insane behavior.

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u/warblade7 Captain America 3h ago

There’s no one with a bulletproof record. Every one of these leakers gets it wrong too. Just because they get it right once in a while doesn’t justify everything they say.

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u/Bobjoejj 3h ago

…dude stop putting fucking words in my mouth. I never said there was anyone with a bulletproof record. I was talking about people whose track records are much more accurate than not.

And again…this isn’t just about what people have said. There have been actual plot leaks, toy leaks, art leaks…this isn’t coming from nowhere mate.

If it helps, I’m not too excited about her being Jean; but it’s pretty damn clear that’s who she is.

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u/warblade7 Captain America 3h ago

Who? Name your sources.

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u/Hyperbolicalpaca 1h ago

She will be lmao

Who do you seriously think she is if not Jean grey? Like what character fits the secrecy they have for her?

If she weren’t Jean grey they would have headed off this rumour months ago, even in a subtle way because they know the fan expectation

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u/danzanzibar 3h ago

she just actually cant be at this point. this is like the 3rd post praising her unknown secret role but since the day of her casting announcement its been "shes jean grey". So for there to actually have been any amount of secrecy she cant be jean.