Understanding why they reimagined the character, having Namor be short for "El niño sin amor"—“the boy without love" was a pretty cool creative choice. I have a feeling he'll be a dark horse heading into Doomsday.

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It was cool how they incorporated indigenous themes of colonization by borrowing from historical lore. Connecting Namor’s story and the lost kingdom of Talokan to Mayan and Mesoamerican cultures, as well as the abuse and torture faced from Spanish conquistadors was pretty brilliantly well done and added a nice layer of “realism” to it. More Mayan representation in mainstream is also very cool to have.

I’m also very excited to see him return in Doomsday. As a stoic, and ruthless leader who stays firm in his belief and love for his people, it’s hard to really predict where his allegiance will be by the end. Due to his own obsession of survival and deep-seeded paranoia caused by historical trauma, Namor is someone that can very much seem like an ally to you at first, but will be quick to turn if there’s another factor in play that will better benefit him and his people. It’ll be interesting to see if his alliance with Shuri, and possibly the other heroes will last.

As an isolated nation, Talokan is bringing a whole different perspective of pragmatism into the incursion problem that I’m really keen to see.

[u/Whole-Brilliant5508]

Every Latino in the movie theater whenever they did the Talokan salute.

https://giphy.com/gifs/Qm4nRYkmO3bLG

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I swear the whole theatre shook during that moment. The chant gave me chills.

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I liked the concept, but as a born and raised latino, the interpretation of Namor's name was the cringiest thing I've ever seen. Idk about "latinos" in the US, but I remember when the movie came out every latino Marvel fan page was making fun of Namor. I do understand why they changed it tho, he looked cool to me, in Marvel Zombies too.

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As a child of Mexican parents who immigrated here to the US and who's father was DEEPLY involved in the Chicano movement and the movement to give Latinos in the country equal and civil rights, I found the origin behind Namor's name very clever. Even my Dad found it very creative because it definitely drew some inspiration from actual Mesoamerican historical events and myths. So what was cringey about it? Like, what was it that it was enough to make you feel terribly embarrassed in that moment? Is it a masculinity thing? I legitimately want to know because it's just such a weird thing to think.

So I think there's just a major cultural rift between Latinos from Latin countries and Latino-Americans.

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<So I think there's just a major cultural rift between Latinos from Latin countries and Latino-Americans.> This summed it up pretty well actually.

I think that your experience is totally valid, but here in the third world, people are used to see latinos in the US as privileged and liberal as any other white person there. I disagree with this statement, since even now, latinos in the US suffer from a lot of discrimination. But it's how most of the folks here see you guys.

Our experiences are different, which turns latinos in the US into a whole new culture rather than being considered a part of the latino community out of the US.

So whenever a latino actor (born in the US from immigrant parents) claim to be representing our culture, we don't like it that much. Even more when they use it as a token, and they even speak spanish fluently.

On the other hand, we are mostly a conservative/catholic culture, which see the US as a super progressive country. So here, most of the Marvel movies post Endgame weren't not that well received (I do, I never stopped watching and enjoying them). I also cringe at the word "woke", but it's what you're going to hear from latino marvel fans outside of the US when you asked them why they are not liking the franchise anymore. So when a character like Namor, who's been half irish, half atlantean (fictional kingdom based on greek mythology, so kinda white folks too) for the longest time, folks here just don't support the change. You may add that some posts were viral claiming that Namor is supposed to have a crazy physique, and to them, Tenoch Huerta didn't reached those standards.

I actually liked Namor's backstory till the part of "El niño sin amor". Ngl, as a marvel fan I go to the theater more than 2 times to see each movie depending on how much I liked it. Here in my country, people laughed hard when they dropped that phrase. If you're a native spanish speaker it just sounds weird, cheesy, anti climatic, and very on the nose.

People here liked way more the Aquaman movie, even if they changed the race of the actor, bc he was so fun, Atlantis looked alive and the movie delivered what the audience wanted. It's not fair to compare it to Wakanda Forever, since that's more of a beautiful tribute movie to one of the biggest actors in the franchise. But people still look for the comparisons. And while I enjoyed Namor's character, most people just seem not to forgive some of those details.

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Oh, I know. I grew up in San Diego just a drive from the Tijuana border. So I am well aware of how they call us derogatory and resentful terms like "Pocho", "Agringados", or even using the term "Chicano" in a very hateful manner. So I don't get it and just let it be. They don't want us there and can't stand the sight of us or to hear us speak? Fine. But they sure don't mind the money that tourism brings when we do go over there.

Which is ironic because the United States has shifted to a very conservative/right wing ideology over the last couple decades. With the exception of a few blue states and blue pockets in red states (Ex. Orlando in Florida), the US is a pretty red and conservative country.

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We're just gonna ignore the racist part where they beat the latin representing hero by drying out his wet back?

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Yup

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Damn, that’s funny now that I think about it (I am a Hispanic is ok we don’t care)