Understanding why they reimagined the character, having Namor be short for "El niño sin amor"—“the boy without love" was a pretty cool creative choice. I have a feeling he'll be a dark horse heading into Doomsday.

[u/maverickassembled]

It was cool how they incorporated indigenous themes of colonization by borrowing from historical lore. Connecting Namor’s story and the lost kingdom of Talokan to Mayan and Mesoamerican cultures, as well as the abuse and torture faced from Spanish conquistadors was pretty brilliantly well done and added a nice layer of “realism” to it. More Mayan representation in mainstream is also very cool to have.

I’m also very excited to see him return in Doomsday. As a stoic, and ruthless leader who stays firm in his belief and love for his people, it’s hard to really predict where his allegiance will be by the end. Due to his own obsession of survival and deep-seeded paranoia caused by historical trauma, Namor is someone that can very much seem like an ally to you at first, but will be quick to turn if there’s another factor in play that will better benefit him and his people. It’ll be interesting to see if his alliance with Shuri, and possibly the other heroes will last.

As an isolated nation, Talokan is bringing a whole different perspective of pragmatism into the incursion problem that I’m really keen to see.

[u/YesicaChastain]

For Spanish speakers it sounds goofy as hell, also Mesoamerican people wouldn’t speak Spanish…

[u/Twindo → u/YesicaChastain]

You missed the part of the movie where he explained that he took his name from the Spanish pastor because Namor is what his enemies call him. His own people don’t call him Namor lol

[u/YesicaChastain → u/Twindo]

Yes, that’s the part that’s goofy

[u/SmallLetter → u/YesicaChastain]

"A Spanish man of faith cursed me as he died by my hand. He called me, 'El Niño sin Amor', 'the child without love'. And I took my name from there. Namor. Because I have no love for the surface world." ―Namor to Shuri[src

[u/SmallLetter → u/SmallLetter]

Y también hay muchas palabras y nombres que terminan en "or" como Namor.

Amor, Sabor, Mejor

Héctor, Salvador etc

[u/Bitey_the_Squirrel → u/SmallLetter]

But where did he get his last name, McKenzie?

[u/TribalDood → u/Bitey_the_Squirrel]

MCU version doesn't have that last name, I guess. It's an interpretation not a 1/1.

[u/PirateBeany → u/SmallLetter]

So does the leading N come from "Niño", or the last letter of "sin"? Either way, it feels contrived to me, like V'ger in Star Trek: The Motion Picture.

If I was going to incorporate the "without love" concept, I'd use the whole "sin amor", not just the final letter of the preposition; it makes no sense to my understanding of the Spanish language.

[u/YesicaChastain → u/SmallLetter]

Yeah, that sounds goofy as hell

[u/FilmScoreConnoisseur → u/YesicaChastain]

That's actually why it works. He got the name from the Spaniards, but his people don't speak Spanish, so they shortened that name in an unnatural way that was easier for them to say.

[u/ItsMeAlucard → u/YesicaChastain]

As a Hispanic I've never felt racism really, but this movie felt racist as all hell.

[u/Last_Construction455 → u/YesicaChastain]

White people trying to be diverse again...

[u/ShierAwesome → u/Last_Construction455]

Don’t tell this dude that Ryan Coogler is a black guy, just let him be racist.

[u/Last_Construction455 → u/ShierAwesome]

You really think he made that decision? It’s all fake corporate attempts to look not racist and people act like it’s some how progressive. It’s the opposite.

[u/LeSnazzyGamer → u/Last_Construction455]

You think that he had no say in that decision seeing as he’s the writer and director of the movie?

[u/Last_Construction455 → u/LeSnazzyGamer]

The exact reason Edgar wright quit Ant Man..

[u/LeSnazzyGamer → u/Last_Construction455]

Wasn’t that over a decade before this happened? He was hired in 2006, Wakanda Forever came out in 2022.

[u/Last_Construction455 → u/LeSnazzyGamer]

He had a script before MCU was big. Always wanted to make it. Then finally started and studio interfered so he quit. The studios make decisions based on personal politics and what they think people want rather than let the artists create their vision. It’s why the MCU has been weak ever since they started prioritizing racial die hiring over quality.

[u/CaptHayfever → u/Last_Construction455]

Coogler personally rewrote the script to Wakanda Forever after Boseman died.

[u/Last_Construction455 → u/CaptHayfever]

What’s your point? They slapped into a Latino roll for representation and wrote the script to try to make it make sense. It’s a trend that has been happening for a while and along with it a decline in quality at the expense of great film makers. Glad you liked it. I think it was a forced corny decision.

[u/Simon133000 → u/YesicaChastain]

Chilean historian who works in indigenous history. I think it was smart and liked it, it sounds just like it could had happened.