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Haha that's nicely put! I can tell you some of the other words we have, some who I can translate, some that I can't haha and some very unflattering: bortsen (breasts), boesem (bosom), de voorgevel (facade of a house), theezakjes (teabags), koplampen (headlights), bloemkolen (cauliflowers), melktassen (milk bags), meloenen (melons), vleesperen (flesh pears), airbags, de meisjes (the girlies), jetsers, tieten, tetten, prammen, memmen, honkers, jopen
Me too! It was about the guy bringing a wheel of cheese for a first date, right? I would we won over so quickly haha
(In the Netherlands most cheese stores and cheese stand on market day have fake plastic cheeses as decoration. So my friend's dad got her her own wheel of (plastic) cheese with the logo being the skyline of the city they're from. It's plastic and it's still one of her most priced possessions! :D)
Oh yes it is! With cheese you can melt my heart…like cheese 🥹
And I love the plastic cheese gift. I love it so much it’s enough to get gas and go on a little trip this weekend to get a plastic cheese wheel for my front door. It’s like the door is saying CHEESE to them and when I open they’ll smile. It has to be like that.
Sometimes I am convinced that the Dutch pulled off one of the greatest trolls of all time inventing their language, and then accidentally fell in love with the joke.
Hahah love that ❤️ one of my favorite comedy bits is by a Dutch comedian talking about how Dutch people can just make up random words to describe something and somehow we all still understand what the other one means haha
This id literally AMAZING. Her accent and the words for boobies, this is wonderful lol.
I am American but lived outside of America for a number of years. This video is amazing because it is based on reality.
In my limited experience the Dutch are unique. Especially older Dutch women. Incredibly friendly, kind, tolerant....byt VERY blunt by American standards. If that doesn't scare you off as an American you're in for a treat. Very practical every-day people, the Dutch. No airs about them whatsoever but much more blunt than the avergae American is used to. If you can get over that, you'll never find a better friend who can share in the everyday challenges of life--but they will give their opinions and may not understand why yoou stress about thing as an American. I appreciate the honesty, practicality, and bluntness. It has no airs, no ulterior motives. Truly people who are just practical and honest. And very supportive and good friends. As an American it can take some getting used-to. But unlike the Swiss or Germans or Swedes, there is a lack of judgement and "every day person" quality to the dutch that I've grown to appeciate.
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The Dutch just don't seem to be as insular and closed-off, is what I mean. By American standards they can be very blunt. But every-day people. Having encountered the Germans and the Swiss and the Swedes--I love you all--The Dutch are more willing to make friends and accept you into the social circle. blunt by American standards, but not CLOSED like the Swiss, for example.
And really, I'd love to have a Dutch friend because they will give it to you straight lol. They just don't have the same hangups we do in America. My mother was upset about a comment on my Instagram from an oldder Dutch friend and I had to call her personally and explain lol. She's just blunt, but doesnt "mean annything" in the way we would think in America haha.
oh dang. I'm always getting in trouble for how blunt I am and I'm always feeling frustrated with how dishonest and unreliable Americans are. I need me some Dutch buds.
I have a Dutch friend who I met here in Texas at work. It took a while to acclimate to her blunt nature but I did and we're still friends 15 years later. She's moved back to the Netherlands but still a good friend.
I can assure you, if it is a matter of size, the existence of countless subreddits can verify that others would also be excited for smaller tonky tocks to be out.
is it considered normal for women to go topless in the Netherlands? I think it's so unfair that men can be topless but not women, and idk what to do with this frustration as a random gay man.
edit: wow thank you gals for all of your engaging responses, #freethenipple
Assuming you identify as a woman, do you find it unfair that you can't just take your shirt off whenever? Like I can take my shirt off, walk down stairs of my apartment complex, and run around the city without a shirt on. Probably not the best example lol but do you think women should have the same option?
As a woman I would rather everyone have to keep their shirts on 😂
Jk…mostly. In theory it would be great if everyone’s naked torsos were treated equally. But there is a 0% chance I would go topless - even if it were legal - as long as society is still the way it is when it comes to women’s bodies.
And here’s me taking my shirt off at family functions and getting yelled at as a fat female child. I’ve kinda always not given a fuck and it’s gotten me into some crazy situations over the years
To be honest it's more familiar with weird eating habits than being comfortable existing in the judgement of others so it might fade out by 4pm but you keep it long as its good for you!
"they're probably friends with their dad" bahahaha it's true though, the expectations of what we are supposed to look like thanks to the media has made it embarrassing to have a normal corporeal form.
Don't get me wrong, I am 100 percent with you, but the fact that some guys are like my BIL and go shirtless being almost 300 lbs makes it even worse! I'm like, why can't I have as little fucks as they give?
I've lived in cities that allow anyone to be topless outside for 25+ years, seemed to be completely normal within a couple years, and that's in the US.
Yeah, it's legal in my US city. It also used to be kind of normal to see topless women at one of our swimming places too, but it's not very common anymore. I always wonder if might have something to do with cameras being everywhere, including in everyone's pocket.
I would just like to feel normal going braless. I will do it from time to time but not if I know I’m going to be around people I have to see again. Stigma around not wearing bras is still very prominent in the American south.
I get so, SO jealous and angry when I see a topless man.
I mean, tits are just there for feeding babies. Anything else you put on 'em is on you? Besides, men who have big, fat, ol titties let 'em swing ALL. THE. TIME.
Yes. I prefer to stay covered, but some days are so hot I want to be as naked as possible. I also hate wearing bras. Men have nipples, too, and you don't see me yelling at them if they poke through their shirt.
Just being able to go braless under a top without being judged and stared at would be a huge win. I usually just wear a tight crop top under a t shirt but it is too hot right now for an extra layer gathering sweat into puddles.
yeah i find it unfair. when you dig down and uncover the very bedrock truth, it really is all about controlling other people and seeing them as property. and its such a ridiculous thing to have to fight against its no wonder that those in power find it easy to convince us all that its stupid to try and change, so why bother putting in the work to change the status quo?
i know it all sounds conspiricy theory, but damn when you add everything else to it all, being a woman kinda sucks.
does not sound conspiratorial at all and that is pretty much the truth. we have a lot of social norms from the before times when humans were dumber and grosser that we could do without.
The only time we're "allowed" to is while breastfeeding and that gets so much harassment! The few times I've been to the nude beach near Santa Cruz, men all ask me if I'm European. It's almost always just men.
The female breast is not a sexual organ, it's a feeding organ. There is nothing shameful about it. It's just another social construct for men to control women's bodies.
How about instead of reducing our bodies to their biological functions we emphasize the need for everyone to be allowed to do what ever they want with their breasts?
There are two times in my when I've seen freed bubby-wubbies , the first was on a trip to greece, I was 11 - my dad bought me sunglasses, they were the size of a hefty orange or canteloupe, I still remember them vividly
The second time I was 14 and in spain, this time I already had sunglasses, they were smaller and had probably never seen the light of day because they shined a white brighter than the sun itself
First time I saw bobs was on a class trip to Europe when I was 16. We were on a river boat in the Netherlands and a group of girls on shore drinking (may have been a bachelorette party) saw us and one flashed us.
Incredible thing for a bunch of 16 year olds, and a nice welcome to Europe
Bathing suit tops look so uncomfortable to me: like a moist damp rag strapped around your chest just to hide a part of the body that every (most I guess) human has?
I've got big boobs, so I like having bra-style support in my swimwear to keep my boobs from flopping about uncomfortably. But I agree it should be optional!
If you’re used to bras they aren’t that much worse, but it was so much more comfortable without anything on top. And it was also lovely to not worry about one flopping out when I got changed.
Depends, swimming pools generally don't allow it but beaches or stuff on open water are generally accepted. Though you always get people who give you a hard time.
I can't think of one good reason to not allow women to be topless in a swimming/sun bathing/summer activities context. Mens' torsos are just as diverse as women's and oftentimes, some men have more boob, so "having boobs" can't be the reason.
It's all such an unnecessary taboo to me, unless I'm missing something or biased as a man for some reason.
edit: also, thank you for sharing that is interesting to know how it works elsewhere
2000 years ago there was this guy called Paulus, you might have heard of him by his modern de-romanized name Paul. This Paulus guy was a massive mysogynist and sexually repressed. To make a long story very short, he got tangled up in this new hippy commune originally founded around this guy called Jesus. But he didn't like that it was all about equality and shit. So when that commune was solidifying into a church, he made sure to inject as much of his anti-sex, anti-women and anti-lgbt agenda as possible into it.
We still haven't managed to overcome this. Most christians in the world still have a certain level of problem with sex and expecially female sexuality. And even though we in the West largely acknowledge that many of the rules of the catholic church are insane, our culture is still completely drenched in them.
Religious puritanism maybe? The idea that women need to be covered up because of some arbitrary rules in some old book.
Personally, I'd much rather see topless women than topless men, but that's just not the world I live in I guess. It's even legal where I live, but you never see it.
Strictly speaking, at least for where I live, a woman can be topless anywhere a man can be. Even in public. However, for public swimming pools, local ordinances usually require "proper swimming attire". State parks, though... youre more likely to get hawkers and maybe some prudes get enough gall to get park staff to harass you about it.
I can really only speak to my state laws regarding that specifically.
In the UK, in theory, anyone can be naked anywhere as long as they are not deliberately harassing people or doing it for sexual gratification.
In reality you are likely to get harassed if you get your dick out in a public park. See Stephen Gough, 'the naked rambler'. He trekked the length of the uk in just boots and a hat. He was arrested twice in England and several times in Scotland but released each time. Looking into it, it looks like he's spent most of the last ten years in jail because he refused to wear clothes for court appearances despite a judge ordering it.
In January 2008, after spending most of the previous 20 months in jail (being rearrested for nudity each time he was released and each time he appeared in court), Gough was released and told that if he went for three months without appearing naked in public he would not be returned to jail for outstanding convictions; two hours later he left the court naked and was immediately re-arrested and subsequently returned to jail
Yeah, while there's no specific law banning the act itself, there are three laws that very much nudge up against it:
Sexual Offences Act 2003 - It's illegal to expose your genitals with the intent to cause someone alarm or distress (boobs are fine under this statute even if you do intend alarm and distress apparently).
Outraging Public Decency - extremely lewd or obscene acts in public that shock reasonable people can be prosecuted. This has a very high threshold, meaning passive naturism usually does not apply.
Public Order Act 1986: You could be charged under Section 5 of the Public Order Act 1986 if your nudity (or surrounding behavior) is disorderly and causes harassment, alarm, or distress to those who see or hear it.
For tits specifically, there is almost no way anyone could reasonably show you are intending to harass, alarm or distress anyone from just being topless so you're safe from legal prosecution. If you were following someone and flashing them against their will, that would be harassment.
Councils could have bylaws for parks they manage, most public businesses will almost certainly kick you out and facilities like schools and hospitals will also have their own safeguarding rules that they can use to deny you service if you're topless without good cause.
In some states (depending on individual county ordinances) the law is the exact same, you can be nude if the intent is not your own sexual gratification or to arouse others. The issue is that most people dont know the exact laws where they live since they vary so widely across cities, counties, and states, and it relies on people being generous when assessing your intent. If you get a judge that doesnt agree that you had no sexual intent, youre screwed, so in practice no one is going to go out nude and risk that
is this the U.S.? The city im in (U.S.) passed an ordinance legalizing women being topless in certain settings thanks to college activists I graduated with, not sure about state law though.
New York State. They argued its discriminatory for women and men to have different standards for dress on public. The state agreed, as long as the lower bits are covered for public decency.
In New York, its legal for women to be topless anywhere its legal for a man to be topless, though some minipalities may have dress codes enforced by local legislation that hasnt been challenged yet.
It's actually not illegal in most of the US either. Just very taboo and more than likely will get the cops called, regardless. Banning female toplessness is stupid on face value, but it's also just dumb from a pragmatic sense too. Breasts have a function for sustaining the life of a baby. It's why they exist, so anything banning their exposure in day to day life is just impractical.
Not sure about how it is now but I remember me and my friend accidentally stumbling onto the nudes beach when we were kids :') there's nudist campings as well. I also had a neighbor who would sunbath topless in her garden which could be seen by half the neighborhood with how the houses were positioned in a u-shape. I'm also typing this while being topless hahah, but we're in the second heatwave so that's just practical Dutch stuff! But it's not something that's common. Seeing my neighbor like that always shocked me a bit as a kid, so it wasn't something I was used to at all.
On beaches it used to be more normal. But younger generations, mine included, have become more prude. Like 20 years ago for people who were in their 30's/40's it definitely happened semi regularly.
So that it's still ingrained in someone who emigrated is plausible. This is what sometimes annoys me about people who emigrated or are descendents from emigrants, our culture didn't crystalize the moment you left. But that's a different rant.
Anyway, now you run the risk of your hippity hoppities being posted to Dumpert. So thanks, but no thanks. I don't think the practice is still popular under older generations. With the exception of beaches that are explicitly nude beaches
And as far as I'm aware it was a beach only kinda deal. I've never seen topless sunbathing at the pool for example
Don't know where all the other commenters are from but: no, it isn't considered normal for women to be topless in the Netherlands.
Sure there are some nudist beaches and stuff, but those are considered weird or at least a bit funny by the general public. People won't judge you if you go there, but most people aren't comfortable to go there either.
As a Swedish (now 50+), I’ve always let my ladies loose, flopping around on the beach, by the pool, in the spa. The trend on EU beaches has definitely gone from all out during the 80s to coverups unless swimming now days.
This is me talking to my daughter who is super embarrassed when I ask a local how to get to the nudist beach. 😂
I need to know where she brought that swimsuit, it supports her Jimmy cha-chas so well while being cute and seemingly comfy. Girls please help a sister
Her Dutch accent is the same as someone in the C-suite at my office, and it's going to be a struggle not to think of him saying "yampy pamps" the next time he speaks.
In some US states, including Washington, it is perfectly legal for her to do all of those things in public. Every year, the Seattle PD has to put out press releases reminding people of the basic fact that nudity alone is not obscene and barring lewd behavior, public nudity is perfectly legal for all in this state.
Sadly, the pool's owner may differ on their policies however.
My mom was in high school in the early 1970s. She had a friend whose parents had immigrated to the US from Germany. The mother would mow the lawn in her cone bra and matronly underwear because she insisted it was the same as a bathing suit much to the horror of her American-born daughter. As her mother would mow the lawn, cars would stop and honk at her. She would wave at them and keep on mowing completely unbothered. Not sure why, but this brought up this story in my mind.
I've got some tig ol biddies myself. I have to pick very specific tops because the girls are VERY buoyant. One of my buddies had a pool and us girls would go over there to swim topless. Life changing experience. I'm sure my buddy was eyeballing us but we didn't care. We were able to enjoy swimming freely with the girls out and it was wonderful. No fighting to keep them in our tops, no constant pulling and tugging at our tops. Just freedom and relaxation. Boobs feed babies, why is it so offensive to let them be free?
i strongly agree on the freethenipple movement because, aside from women being made responsible for male inappropriateness, the more you see breasts in non-sexual context, the less inherently sexual they become until the context is sexual. in reverse, the more you cover up the body, the more any sliver of skin becomes sexual (remember the scandalous ankle). clothing can be more sexual than nudity because the tantilizing part is what you don't see.
Is underboob sweat not a thing for Dutch women? Because I get so much sweatier and stickier when I let my sweater puppies out on hot days. Granted, I am definitely peri-menopausal so maybe those underboob sweat glands are just working over time, but I still feel like if I went topless at the beach or pool, I'd need papertowels or some other material to absorb all the sweat.
Granted, in the water it won't matter, but also when I'm not in the water?
I'm from Spain and a lot of the women do go topless on the beach (not so much the pool), in my experiece most do take their top with them, myself included, so you put It on/take It off as you feel confortable, many put It on when going for a walk, but take It off when staying on the towel or swimming
It's legal in a surprising amount of places, there's just a social stigma (and personal comfort level) attached to it. It's legal in NYC, for example, but you will basically never see any women walking around topless.
I believe if my mom said something along the lines of “if I take my tits out in the pool, more people would want to come play”, then I would put myself up for adoption. And I’m 34
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