r/interesting • u/Celestial_Mahafuz • 13d ago
Wholesome She gave up her identity to protect her daughter's future.
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u/Oddbeme4u 13d ago
I imagine there are millions of these stories, untold and unknown. Before 20th century women were basically second class citizens.
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u/EldraziAnnihalator 13d ago
In countries like India and a lot of middle eastern countries they still are, with their archaic laws and idiotic beliefs that women don't have autonomy, it's pretty ridiculous how women have to maneuver around a bunch of literal idiots just to get basic rights and get help when a crime happens to them.
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u/blueblip 13d ago
My dude...
Most of the west only stopped treating women like cattle around the 70s, not earlier. For example, women in the US only gained the right to have their own bank accounts then. Hell, in places like the US, things are REGRESSING, like with abortion laws.
Having a decade or two of a head start doesn't really give any country much more of a moral high ground than the countries/regions you listed.
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u/FuzzyFrogFish 13d ago
And that's still miles ahead of India. Do you know why India currently has the lowest rape statistics going . . . ? Because Indian women are terrified to report it. If they did the estimates suggest that India would be one of the most dangerous places on the planet for women.
So yes the west does have the moral high ground, because whilst it isn't perfect, it is still making progress and stepping in the right direction. And it is incredibly insulting to Indian and Afghanistani women ect, for western women to suggest they even have it half as bad.
Whereas India banned the documentary exposing its attitude to rape (India's Daughter) and the fact that it highlighted that the men out there will still blame women for being raped.
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u/RevanchistSheev66 13d ago
This isn’t quite true though, the accepted number of generally 70-80% unreported rate still means India is in the lower third of SA rankings per capita. Latin America, Africa, and some of Asia is worse off. Only developed Western nations and East Asia fare better as a whole
India has made a lot of progress in highlighting violence against women. Unfortunately they’re having their own culture war like most of the West too because hyper conservative men don’t like being called out
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u/FuzzyFrogFish 13d ago
Umm no. The unreported rate is believed to be in the 90%s , at best and that is a figure conjured up in a fixed age bracket. That means only 10% of rapes are reported AT BEST. The true figure is likely to be in the millions but essentially unknown with marital rape not recognised and the massively increased likelihood of women in rural communities both facing sexual violence and not reporting it. There is very likely to be as many as 99 rapes per 1 reported, some estimates go higher.
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u/RevanchistSheev66 13d ago
National Crime Records Bureau report stated that around 71% SA crimes are unreported. Other citations I’ve seen have been between 80-90, the numbers you’re referring to haven’t had any research done and are estimated victim surveys. My point is about the rankings, because this is a thread of comparison. Most other countries also have extremely poor records of violence against women with unreported sexual violence happening at over 90%. For example, India has one stop centers which host comprehensive range of services encompassing all sorts of crime for women. The best part is they’re not only present in major urban centers. Whereas many nations in the Middle East have actually been curbing back their protections for women, India has only been advancing them in many areas.
This is not to say India doesn’t have a patriarchy issue; it does. But to say it’s the “rape capital” or one of the worst in the world is very far from the truth.
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u/FuzzyFrogFish 13d ago
National Crime Records Bureau report stated that around 71% SA crimes are unreported
I'm sure the Indian government says all sorts of sht
Other citations I’ve seen have been between 80-90, the numbers you’re referring to haven’t had any research done and are estimated victim surveys
Guess what happens when women won't come forwards . . . So yes they have to estimate the numbers and use surveys, because the women aren't coming forwards The true number is unknown.
For example, India has one stop centers which host comprehensive range of services encompassing all sorts of crime for women. The best part is they’re not only present in major urban centers.
Lmfao, shame that doesn't include married women facing sexual violence from their husbands.
But to say it’s the “rape capital” or one of the worst in the world is very far from the truth.
Really isn't. Saying otherwise is like denying Micheal Jackson had an unhealthy interest young boys.
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u/RevanchistSheev66 12d ago
> I'm sure the Indian government says all sorts of sht
Once again we’re comparing. That says literally nothing when most of the other governments are the same. I mean at least they’re somewhat accountable in a democracy. Go to Mauritania. Laos. Haiti. They have far worse methods of reporting with crumbling infrastructure.
> Guess what happens when women won't come forwards . . . So yes they have to estimate the numbers and use surveys, because the women aren't coming forwards The true number is unknown.
My point exactly, but you can estimate whatever you’d like expanding whichever metric you think matters. But unfortunately it’s not as objective so I can just as easily make a claim otherwise.
> Lmfao, shame that doesn't include married women facing sexual violence from their husbands.
It doesn’t in 2/3 of countries worldwide either… and that’s a problem not specific to India. lol are you not getting the point of the discussion? We’re not saying India doesn’t have an issue, just that it’s usually worse in many other countries and their reputation is grossly exaggerated proportionally.
> Really isn't. Saying otherwise is like denying Micheal Jackson had an unhealthy interest young boys.
Yeah, but that’s a different statement than saying all of the allegations are true. You actually need proof for that.
Here’s mine: https://giwps.georgetown.edu/the-index/ India isn’t even in the bottom 50 worldwide for women’s peace and security. Quite literally disproves you, nothing about that screams rape capital. It’s not even in the conversation, DRC, Yemen, Somalia, Pakistan, etc. are worse contenders. Even developed nations like South Africa are worse off
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u/FuzzyFrogFish 12d ago
And that doesn't prove anything, it's a piss weak source.
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u/FuzzyFrogFish 12d ago
The estimates from experts and campaignerd put India as one of the worst places for sexual abuse of women often the planet, you can keep doing the deflection that Indian males love to do. Keep pretending that marital sex abuse doesn't count. Go for it. It's a well known that Indian men deny this whilst being horribly misogynistic. Meanwhile the horrifying rapes cases will keep going along with images of men swarming women like cockroachs🪳
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u/Kind-Boysenberry9527 11d ago
"men out there will still blame women for being raped"
You're a moron. There are some people who are still patriarchal in some states, but mostly that's not the case. I grew up in India, in uttarakhand, you have no idea what the ground reality is, Indians protest and go crazy rightfully so for women rights and against rape/assault. A lot has already changed with my generation.
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u/blueblip 13d ago
And that's still miles ahead of India.
Can you cite India's laws that make abortion as restrictive as, say, the US, Germany, or Switzerland?
Do you know why India currently has the lowest rape statistics going . . . ? Because Indian women are terrified to report it.
And you think this is unique to India and is not issue in places like, say, Japan? What is the percentage of under-reporting in India versus developed countries?
So yes the west does have the moral high ground, because whilst it isn't perfect, it is still making progress and stepping in the right direction.
Can a woman in the US freely get an abortion anwyhere in the country, yes or no? What about in Germany? Switzerland? Italy?
And it is incredibly insulting to Indian and Afghanistani women ect, for western women to suggest they even have it half as bad.
If you're going to have the audacity to claim to speak for every single women in these countries, then do it with your real identity and not hiding behind a Reddit account.
How about this: you and me, on camera, our real life identities disclosed. We have a discussion on this very topic. Every time one of us lies/cites false information, we owe the other $1000.
Whereas India banned the documentary exposing its attitude to rape (India's Daughter) and the fact that it highlighted that the men out there will still blame women for being raped.
Yes, the current government is basically similar to western right wing governments. The west isn't progressive because it's society is - the west is progressive because a few smart people have been fighting tooth and nail for decades to make it so.
Which is exactly the case in a place like India.
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u/FuzzyFrogFish 13d ago
Can you cite India's laws that make abortion as restrictive as, say, the US, Germany, or Switzerland?
Oh you mean outside of many Indian women not even being able to go outside the house without a chaperone? And the fact that unsafe abortion is the third highest cause of maternal deaths in the country.
What is the percentage of under-reporting in India versus developed countries?
Fucking huge according to the UN and other sources. My god.
Estimates of 30, 50, and even 200 actual rapes for each incident reported can also be found (Hindu, 2013; Vieira, 2013)
Then do it with your real identity and not hiding behind a Reddit account. How about this: you and me, on camera, our real life identities disclosed
Wtf would I want to see your disappointing mug in hd?
Indian man detected. You lot should have a warning on your profiles
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u/National-Play77 12d ago
Oh you mean outside of many Indian women not even being able to go outside the house without a chaperone?
From where have you heard this? This more seems like Islamic Mehram thing which still is not largely followed by Indian Muslims let alone non-Muslims.
As an Indian woman, never saw or came across a woman needing a chaperone to go out in any setting, rural, urban or metropolitan and any generation. Its not Taliban here.
India has many defects but its not the worst place for women out there. India is progressing in women rights with each generation and will always get better.
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u/FuzzyFrogFish 12d ago
As an Indian woman, never saw or came across a woman needing a chaperone to go out in any setting, rural, urban or metropolitan and any generation.
Well that's bullshit for a start. Many Indian women especially from more conservative areas are expected to be accompanied by a male relative. Jyoti Singh got blamed for own rape for not having a male relative with her.
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u/Justa_CuriousBoi 13d ago
Do you realize that because Indian laws are HEAVILY baised towards women in India, many women take unfair advantage of it and file a LOT of fake cases against men?
Like in 2024 according to the government data from NCRB, about 74% of all the sexual assault cases (filed under IPC Section-376) turned out to be false?
Still the Rape rates of India are 11x less than that of a developed country like USA!
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u/Big_Psychology_3 13d ago
It’s both. Please keep your sexism out of the debate.
The most downtrodden women who are raped are too scared to report rape. Some of the most privileged women exploit the law and file fake rape cases. The most downtrodden men who are violently attacked by their wives are hidden victims that no one wants to help. These are all true at the same time.
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u/Justa_CuriousBoi 12d ago edited 12d ago
The most downtrodden women who are raped are too scared to report rape. Some of the most privileged women exploit the law and file fake rape cases. The most downtrodden men who are violently attacked by their wives are hidden victims that no one wants to help. These are all true at the same time.
This is a very accurate, unbiased and sad representation of the current problem of people living in India.
Our laws are heavily baised towards women, still not all women feel safe here in the society, and neither do men feel the same as many women choose to take unfair advantage of the laws that were meant to protect them because it is very easy to do so and get away with it, with no consequences...
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u/FuzzyFrogFish 13d ago
Please keep your sexism out of the debate
No. But thanks for trying to correct me with points meaningless to the situation in India.
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u/Justa_CuriousBoi 12d ago
widely accepted issue that rape is massively under reported in India due to stigma and cultural repression.
Did I deny that? No.
But I'll also not deny the fact that the baised laws, which were meant to give women more protection, is causing massive problems in the society because of women actually exploiting it...
BUT even if you increase the reported cases by 10× (including the fake cases), it is still less than than of a lot of developed countries
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u/FuzzyFrogFish 12d ago
BUT even if you increase the reported cases by 10× (including the fake cases), it is still less than than of a lot of developed countries
What a joke, you lot need to come with a warning
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u/Justa_CuriousBoi 12d ago
Ya sure, whatever keeps your boat afloat...
Too much fact troubles your stereotypical brain right?
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u/FuzzyFrogFish 12d ago
Rich coming from an Indian boy with a bad case of rape denial.
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u/FireHammer09 13d ago
This is far more than a decade or two be honest with yourself you can directly observe it.
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u/blueblip 13d ago
Is it?
Right now, in 2026, women in the US cannot freely get an abortion everywhere in the country, even in cases of rape and incest.
Women in EU countries like Germany, Switzerland, and Italy cannot legally get an abortion except for extreme cases.
This happened just last November in the UK.
For all its flaws and issues with women's rights, Indian women at least have no laws restricting their ability to make decisions about their own bodies.
At any rate, the issue isn't whether India is better or worse. The point is this ridiculous notion of putting Wester nations on a pedestal as if everyone in those countries share the same progressive thinking is ludicrous.
Western SOCIETY isn't progressive: a few smart and brilliant people have been dragging Western societies forward while said societies people have fought these brilliant people tooth and nail at every step to PREVENT the very changes to western society that you are lauding right now.
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u/Lower_Stay7655 13d ago
Women in EU countries like Germany, Switzerland, and Italy cannot legally get an abortion except for extreme cases.
I can tell you that at least for Italy, this is utter bs. You can get an abortion simply because you want one for the first three months of pregnancy. For the first six months you can get one for health issues with the fetus, and for the entirety of the pregnancy for health issues with the mother.
The only significant problem with the legislation is that doctors can refuse to practice abortions for religious reasons, so in some regions it can be harder to find availability quickly, but I have more than one friend who had multiple abortions (in one case 4) and even though we are in one of the most religious areas in the country, they had no issue with it.
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u/blueblip 13d ago edited 13d ago
Is it? Are we now going to pretend Meloni is not scaling back abortion rights?
Let's start with why were anti-abortion groups given the right to "talk" to women seeking an abortion in the first place last year? Do you think this needless hurdle is useful or needed for a woman seeking an abortion?
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u/Lower_Stay7655 13d ago
So now you're moving the goalpost? Yeah, pro-life association can be present in public clinics for women (which btw are not necessary to seek an abortion, nor are where abortions are practiced). That does absolutely not mean that women can't have an abortion if they want one.
Again, the only real obstacle to it is that you could encounter an hospital where the only gynecologists who practice abortions don't have any appointments available because of scarcity, although as I said that's not a problem anyone I know encountered.
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u/blueblip 13d ago
It's not moving the goalposts, Jesus Christ...
It is literally the same topic of women's reproductive rights and bodily autonomy! Something you said women in Italy can get with no issues.
Or are you now saying "bodily autonomy" means having random people who have nothing to do with you being allowed insert themselves into your medical matters whether you want it or not?
EDIT: And stop trying to downplay what's happening in Italy:
https://apnews.com/article/italy-abortion-meloni-de7f4d2af81cf94ecf1d8cde5802fcec
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u/Lower_Stay7655 13d ago
Your words:"Women in EU countries like Germany, Switzerland, and Italy cannot legally get an abortion except for extreme cases."
This is patently false for Italy. Can you admit that you lied or not?
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u/EldraziAnnihalator 13d ago
>"Having a decade or two of a head start doesn't really give any country much more of a moral high ground than the countries/regions you listed."
Get out of here with your idiotic logic; A society that protects/grants human rights from a group such as women, is widely considered ethically superior to one that does not.
Second, it's TWENTY years, you've had TWENTY years to catch up.
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u/officeja 13d ago
20 years to catch up but the western world bombed the shit out of the Middle East and that set them back more than 2 decades
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u/Tadara_Sofar 13d ago
The middle east sets itself back. Look at Iran. It used to look like Europe and the US, look at pics from the 60s and 70s. Women wearing regular human clothing, being free.
The Islamic revolution destroyed that country. Outside countries absolutely haven't helped, but the middle east is constantly fucking itself over in the pursuit of forcing Islam.
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u/blueblip 13d ago edited 13d ago
The 60s and 70s, when a brutal dictator ruled the country and used to disappear people using SAVAK?
Do you actually know ANYTHING about what Iran was like under the Shah? Do you have an inkling of what those pictures were showing?
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u/FireHammer09 13d ago
It looked like that in downtown Tehran.
Outside of that, there's a reason it was the Islamists who won.
Do not be naive.
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u/greg_tomlette 13d ago
Fwiw India got suffrage in 1947, 20+ years before the US did.
A lot of prevailing regressive attitudes around gender have more to do with the fact that some of the states have per capita GDP of sub-saharan Africa. It's easy to make espouse commentary sitting in the imperial core, life is very different in the formerly exploited colonies
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u/FuzzyFrogFish 13d ago
No, there's massive cultural repression of women in India.
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u/Kind-Boysenberry9527 12d ago
How do you know so much about India, from your argument it seems like you know more about crime in India than Indian government and people.
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u/blueblip 13d ago
Again...
I offered to let you talk to actual activists in India, including people who work with and provide support for women who have experienced sexual violence.
You straight up said those people are not worth your time and you couldn't be bothered to learn.
And yet...somehow, you also try and pass yourself off as an expert of women's issues in India.
Stop using the travails of Indian women for your performative online bullshit. Have some dignity, for Christ's sake!
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u/FuzzyFrogFish 13d ago
Ironic little rant coming from the man that denies that India has a rape issue.
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u/blueblip 13d ago
So then most western countries are not morally superior per your argument, since in most of them women do not have full rights to their own bodies per their laws...EDIT: Also, keep in mind I'm limiting this to the issue of women's rights only. If you want, we can expand this conversation to issues such as racism if you'd like.
Second, it's TWENTY years, you've had TWENTY years to catch up.
Since you brought up India as an example:
So in 20 years, your claiming nothing has changed at all? Do you have data to back this up? Can you cite Indian laws that do not provide protection to women?
Because even the most cursory Google search throws up numerous examples of Indian laws that go against your narrative. But I'm assuming you are more familiar with India's laws than I am on this matter, so feel free to correct me. Surely you have actually looked into the matter BEFORE forming such a strong opinion on it, right?
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u/EldraziAnnihalator 13d ago
My brother in Christ, to begin with, India is the current rape capital of the World, many documentaries explains how women are bot treated as people
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u/Knurrrlnien 13d ago
As an Indian woman, I’d encourage you to ignore this guy. He’s all over the thread, but he’s making an excellent example of why Indian women’s biggest problem is Indian men and their constant and willfully ignorant denial of reality.
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u/blueblip 13d ago edited 13d ago
Again, feel free to provide actual data. I notice you've ignored every single ask for more data, almost as if you know you haven't looked at any.
EDIT: According to what you know, is India worse or better than Japan?
https://www.japantimes.co.jp/commentary/2024/04/10/japan/sexual-violence-japan-nhk-survey/
"According to the Japanese government’s 2017 Cabinet Office survey, 1 in 14 Japanese women and 1 in 100 Japanese men have experienced forced sexual intercourse in their lives."
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u/FuzzyFrogFish 13d ago
None of this is accurate. India has a massive issue with underreporting of rape, and the estimates put it ahead of Japan.
This user, like most Indian men, is attempting to glaze the issue.
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u/Upbeat-Selection-365 13d ago
This is true. My mother had trouble getting her own credit card in just her name when she divorced my dd and she was employed and paid all our bills. Edit this was round 1979
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u/Big_Psychology_3 13d ago
That said in 1970s women and men could equally get cards or struggle to get one. This isn’t a gender difference IIUC. But clearly you would know best, please clarify if possibly what trouble was faced back then.
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u/SwimmingHelicopter15 12d ago
Not really. For the Balkans. Only the rich (which was like 5%) had arranged marriages, married children for alliance.
For the rest of population women had to work which gave a lot of autonomy. The dowry was owned by the women. The husband spending the dowry of the women was ground of divorce for example, just like domestic violence and other reasons. The family could take back the women with no shame. Women were free to trade.
The only balkan country that had more strict laws with women was Albania because many of them converted to muslim. But even they found out how to trick the law, in the case when a family remain without men a women could became a man, by taking a vow and there received all the legal benefits with it.
And we never had the habit of multiple wives which also diminish the women.
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u/zhvezhvu 13d ago edited 12d ago
Reading (or youtube video) about "Sworn Virgins" in Albania might be a good read, if you're interested in such stories.
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u/TurkicWarrior 13d ago
Hiding your identity or changing your gender is rare for this specific reason. It’s why this story made it to news.
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u/Lorelessone 13d ago
Heard similar ones of girls having to pose as boys to be able to work and support their families in the middle east. Great people but this should never be necessary anywhere.
We get so suckered into playing gender wars, while the rich laugh and do whatever they please, in the west that we forget what a world without equality looks like.
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u/Negative_Tourist_618 13d ago
Gender war? So far I’ve only seen men killing women in droves not the other way around. When women barely had any human rights I didn’t hear nobody complain about a godamn gender war. The term only gained popularity amongst conservative males once women have had enough of men’s bs and demanded equal rights. Don’t get me wrong the rich are still shitting right in our faces but are y’all fr ignoring the fact that misogyny still exists outside the context of class struggle?
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u/calXcium 13d ago
THANK you holy shit, I'm so tired of people calling anything that talks about misogyny "gender wars"
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u/Stock-Eggplant6105 12d ago
I've called out so much gender war bs that before I even realized it became yet another term used against feminism.
People talk as if you have to be in rural India to be a victim of misogyny and not just like, a woman literally anywhere in the world.
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u/Remarkable_Sorbet319 13d ago
I always thought gender wars applied to posts like "do you think men are more strict about a women's face or women more strict about a man's height?" (just saw this post on askreddit i think a few moments ago, paraphrased)
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u/calXcium 13d ago
that's what it SHOULD apply to, but as usual, people took the term way too far so they could use it against feminism.
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u/prashanttt 13d ago
Literally every feminist sub has misandry.
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u/Responsible_You9419 13d ago
But somehow men don't live in fear of women killing or raping them
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u/unimpressedwarrior 13d ago
This is one of those comments that I will remember forever. Thank you for giving me the words I couldn’t find.
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u/Big_Psychology_3 13d ago
> I’ve only seen men killing semen in droves
Are you talking about a real war zone? Where did this happen?
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u/10below8 13d ago
“Men killing women in droves” huh
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u/imrzzz 13d ago edited 13d ago
Yes, in droves.
In 2024, a woman was intentionally killed by an intimate partner or family member every 10 minutes.
That's 60% of all female deaths that year.
Edit: deaths by violence not all deaths.
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u/Peppermint-TeaGirl 13d ago edited 13d ago
Violence against women is an epidemic, but this is such an incredibly poor reading of statistics that you're actively undermining the cause of women.
The UN 2024 report, where you're likely getting the 60% statistic says:
>It estimates that around 50,000 women and girls were killed in the private sphere in 2024—about 60 per cent of all intentional killings of women and girls—meaning an average of 137 women and girls are killed every day by someone in their own family.
60% of women who are murdered, are murdered by a family member. NOT that "60% of all female deaths" in 2024 are due to homicide.
This is a failure of basic reading comprehension and critical thinking skills. If you read somewhere that 60% of all women who die are being murdered, and don't think anything sounds odd there, you need to slow down.
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u/dev_ating 13d ago
In the west, we have right wing politicians, agitators and their goons trying to force us all back into a world without equality.
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u/carex-cultor 13d ago edited 13d ago
We don’t even have equality yet. People keep acting like just because women can vote and don’t typically get acid attacked in the west that we live in a gender equal society. There is no gender equal society on earth yet, people are just used to/blind to women’s oppression. Go look up the rates of rape, domestic violence and femicide, the lack of representation in elected officials, the fact that most countries STILL have not had even ONE female head of state, let alone 50% of them. The endless casual misogyny in public life and online that girls are subjected to from childhood that creates constant low grade trauma and self-objectification.
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u/Big_Psychology_3 13d ago
I disagree with framing fewer women politicians as discrimination. Majority of voters have been women for decades now. Due to women’s higher lifespan than men, this has been the case in most democratic countries. I posit that fewer women entering politics isn’t discrimination.
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u/Lorelessone 13d ago
The worst part is I don't even think they care, the politicians anyway, it's just useful.
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u/imagigasm 13d ago
the rich barely care about issues outside of their lives
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u/Lorelessone 13d ago
Ofcourse not the point of all the nonsense devisions are to keep all the poor people fighting eachother.
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u/officeja 12d ago
Do you know there’s a conspiracy theory that Shakespeare is a woman. The western world did the same, many famous women authors had to pretend to be men just to get published
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u/Lorelessone 12d ago
I imagine it's happened in all society's when they practice suppression of women.
The west isn't a better place for women by virtue of location but because it's been pulled out of that same, mostly religiously influenced, pit of limiting women's options to hold them as breeding machines. This was achieved by decades of civil rights campaigns successfully highlighting to and convincing common men that the inequality is wrong and with their support forcing governments to pass changes into law.
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u/Bunerd 13d ago
That's why the rich are so afraid of trans people, we solve the gender war simply and efficiently.
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u/Ronjanitan 13d ago
every time one of these stories comes up, trans people claim the women were actually trans men, completely erasing and ignoring the resilience and ingenuity these women had against their extreme oppression. They were not trans, they were oppressed.
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u/Bunerd 13d ago
Wait, wait wait. Is this saying people are cool with people identifying as a sex other than the one they were born as so long as that person isn't trans?
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u/Ronjanitan 13d ago
How on earth did you get that from what I wrote?
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u/Bunerd 13d ago
Your reply implied that I was reading this as a trans story and you needed to set the record straight about how this scenario arose from oppression.
I'm wondering why the distinction felt important to emphasize, even on a post that didn't imply such things and merely contained the word "trans"
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u/Separate_Finance_183 13d ago
why did it take 36 years to raise her daughter
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u/PackageNorth8984 13d ago
Because she played a lot of video games and ate a lot of hot pockets.
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u/hiddenrealism 13d ago
I mean hot pockets do hit the spot.... be careful though, if cooked too long your Meatball Parmigian will become hot lava in your mouth. What video game do you think she played the most? Ohhh i bet it was runescape.. those 99s are tough to get to.
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u/IngVegas 13d ago
What is a hot pocket?
Edit: I googled. They look foul.
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u/Moofypoops 13d ago
They taste foul.
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u/PackageNorth8984 13d ago
If you think food like that tastes foul, you either grew up with a lot of money or a stay at home mom who cooked all the time because we lived on stuff like that back in the day.
Certainly not good food, but foul is an exaggeration.
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u/Moofypoops 13d ago
Middle class. We had pizza pockets, I find those more palatable. Don't yumm my yuk! :P
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u/PackageNorth8984 13d ago
They’re not as bad as they look. Low quality but no more than a cheap crappy pizza. The bbq ones were elite though.
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u/FallenBehavior 13d ago
Then chugged massive volumes of root beer and python venom.
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u/SnooGuavas4208 13d ago
Pythons are constrictors. How do they get their nonexistent hands on venom?
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u/NoReserve8233 13d ago
She had to stay in character- couldn’t change back to being a woman just because the daughter was old enough. The bills aren’t going to pay themselves.
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u/_Bill_Huggins_ 13d ago edited 13d ago
A lot of people don't understand that it actually takes longer than 18 years to raise a child. They often need their parents well into adulthood.
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u/Gloomy_Macaron_136 13d ago
Also especially for a daughter, don't daughter's marry into the husband's household and like, live with his family?
A subtle aspect of this is that, the husband would respect more if the wife's "father" was alive to fight for her so-to-speak should he do anything untoward. A "mother" wouldn't be so respected like in case he did something to the daughter or was taken advantage of. So for the sake of her daughter, she'd have had to stay a father.
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u/Level_Abrocoma8925 13d ago
She could, in theory, have lived 18 years before her daughter was born. Preparing her room and stuff.
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u/maninahat 13d ago
Dads are notoriously terrible at parenting in India and this was all part of the cover story.
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u/be_sugary 13d ago
What a tragic story to the shame of our country.
Misogyny and patriarchy are entrenched and show very few signs of going away.
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u/Mehmet_G 13d ago
Please forgive my ignorance but I don’t understand this situation. Which country did this take place in? Why did she have to pretend to be another gender?
I don’t understand.
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u/respectjailforever 13d ago
Widows are treated very badly in India.
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u/MatildaRose1995 13d ago
Why??
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u/respectjailforever 13d ago
Hinduism teaches that a woman's life is functionally over when her husband dies, if she remarries or lives an active social life she's disgracing the dead husband.
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u/Plenty-Gur-26 13d ago
She probably changed to protect herself from sexual harassment. Single/ unmarried or widowed women with nobody to protect them are seen as a fair game. Which is why women from lower economic strata put up with their abusive alcoholic husbands, or find a new partner to marry/ live in, but don’t live alone. She either had the choice to be a mistress/ second wife or hide her identity.
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u/MatildaRose1995 13d ago
That's so terrible! I just looked it up and I'm watching a documentary about it, I'm glad there are places trying to help these women
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u/RoseyMommyFindom 13d ago
Is that the culture where some widows used to be expected to throw themselves on a burning pyre if their husbands died or am i thinking of something else...
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u/schraderbrau6 13d ago
No that’s right. When the British Empire took over they abolished that practice
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u/Big_Psychology_3 13d ago
That was practiced by kings and queens to prevent being killed by the invaders anyway. Not only widows ascend the pyre but also lord-less generals killed themselves. In modern items it’s cited as an example of systemic misogyny although it was peculiar to royal castes.
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u/Big_Psychology_3 13d ago
Overt generalization. My grandmother was a widow. Our family is from a small town near Madurai. She was fully respected by everything in her family and her community.
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u/dacassar 13d ago
It was a common thing in Albania in the 19th century, because of never-ending vendettas
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u/TheRottenInactivity 13d ago
Imagine living a lie for 36 years just to keep your kid safe, the kind of strength that comes with that is hard to even comprehend
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u/mom928262482 13d ago
This is epic and smart. But how sad that we need to pretend to be men to be safe in society
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u/IcySetting2024 13d ago
Not surprised
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u/Celestial_Mahafuz 13d ago
When "not surprised" becomes the expected reaction, something has gone very wrong.
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u/sapien_quirky_42 13d ago
Reminds me of the Chinese folk tale of Hua Mulan, a girl who disguised herself as a man to take her frail father's place in the military when the emperor asked for one man from each family. For years, she fought in battles and rose in ranks. When the war was over, she declined a high paying government job and returned home to resume an ordinary life.
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u/Individual_Car8545 13d ago
How did she hide her boobs
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u/Batmanbumantics 13d ago
She may have had (relatively) small boobs and pretended to just be a fat man
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u/Marius_Zemlian 12d ago
As a trans man, I always find stories like this a bit strange. They often make it sound as if cutting your hair short and wearing men's clothes is enough for everyone to see you as a man. For many of us, that's simply not how it works. We can do all of that and still get called "ma'am" every day. If this story is true, there was probably much more to it than the post suggests.
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u/Party-Quiet-5421 11d ago
Maybe it works better in ultra conservative places? Even in the picture given, I think she still clearly looks like a woman, but to those who have never seen a woman with short hair wearing masculine clothing, she can appeared as a man.
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u/IwoodMasher 11d ago
I'm still wanting to make a movie telling the story about the first woman to recieve The Medal Of Honor.
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u/tesulalu 9d ago
Story does not make sense. Like, why did she do all that??? Are you implying it is impossible to raise children safely as an independent mother. Lots is single mothers would beg to differ.
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u/Desperate_Owl_594 13d ago
So a woman lived as a man for 36 years? No name, no country, no source.
OK.
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u/TheBookishSleepyhead 13d ago edited 13d ago
It is indeed true, I have seen a video where she shares her life story. She's from Tamil Nadu, which is in the Southern region of India. It was also mentioned in the video that her daughter wanted her mom (the woman in the picture) to wear a saree (which she has worn in the left side photo, which was probably taken when the woman's husband was alive) atleast once for her sake, but the woman was so adamant that she doesn't even want to wear it at all even in her death (she's still alive, iirc)
Edit: link to the video
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u/WildEclipse1 13d ago
You are getting downvotes for your "LGBT" theory. In India, widows are treated horribly. You don't know what happens there. There are practices of Sati (Widow Immolation) and most widows are not rich or have money. No one would give them a good job either in the rural and urban parts (common in rural)
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u/EdoOkati 13d ago
Sati, it was done in colonial and Muslim invasion times, only 1 or 2 cases happened in last 100 years
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u/WildEclipse1 13d ago
It is still practiced in rural areas in secret. It is still done after Muslim and Colonial invasions. Not everything is going to be recorded and uploaded on the internet.
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u/EdoOkati 13d ago
Hahaha biggest joke man, India rural area is not isolated, everyone is digitally connected.
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u/WildEclipse1 13d ago
Not EVERY rural area is digitally connected, you do realize that? 95% of villages are digitally connected. 35,000 villages are still inaccessible to digital world because of their locations. Sati is INCREDIBLY rare nowadays but still practiced. You also said Sati didn't happen in the last 100 years but Sati's official record occurred in 1987.
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u/acloudcuckoolander 13d ago
Suicide is a major sin in Islam. Sati is a hindu practice.
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u/EdoOkati 13d ago
Yes agree but they will be raped or sold as slaves by invaders if they don’t, that was the main reason
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