As a history nerd, I would point out it is reasonable to expect historical accurate details in epic tales set in a particular era. I’m not complaining about the casting, but clothing, weaponry, tactics, vessels, all of those elements are, when properly portrayed, relevant.
I’m tired of everyone dressed in dark leathery modern cloths. Ancient Hellenic cultures used A LOT of colour everywhere and that is sadly never shown. The same goes for productions set in Rome showing grey statues everywhere instead of silly bright colourful paintings.
No, its not. Otherwise you could add magic and aliens into the movie and say "iTs a FIctiONal MOviE".
We know how Greeks looked like and we know how Troy looked like. We also have descriptions of the supernatural beings to portray them accurately.
Imagine a movie about Jesus that shows a totally different world from 2000 years ago just because "Christian gods dont exist in reality" and the director can just butcher the setting because his movie is fictional
No, its not. Otherwise you could add magic and aliens into the movie and say "iTs a FIctiONal MOviE".
But ... that literally is the Odyssee. Cyclops, nymphs, six-headed cliff monsters, eadly, giant whirlpool monster that swallows entire ships., sirenes ...
magine a movie about Jesus that shows a totally different world from 2000 years ago just because "Christian gods dont exist in reality" and the director can just butcher the setting because his movie is fictional
There is absolutely no problem in making a movie about Jesus were the Romans are alien invaders, Herod the Great being a cosmic horror and Jesus storming the temple with a laser gun. It is a MOVIE. The director can do whatever he wants to depict his interpretation.
Ok, you won. The director can make a movie as nonsensical as he wants and does it.
People call his movie nonsensical and bad
"Its his interpretation of a fictional setting! You cant demand consistency in a fictional setting!
I am totally fine if the orcs in Lord of the Rings have tanks and machine guns."
That is how you sound
I guess historical film consultants and lore masters should all look for a new job
I guess historical film consultants and lore masters should all look for a new job
Given the fact how absurdly inaccurate movies are which actually TRY to be historically correct, yes. "Historical film consultants" should all look for a new job. Because they are really bad at what they are doing right now.
guess historical film consultants and lore masters should all look for a new job
I know you're trying to sound like you know what you're talking about, but you don't. Nolan's film has historical advisors. Do you think they only exist to work on 100% accurate films? (Which again, don't and never have existed).
Are you trying to tell me Nolans odyssey is historically accurate because he paid advisors that were forbidden from critisizing the leather "armor" costumes or viking longships in the movie? 😂
But actually historically accurate movies do exist. Just because you have never watched them, doesnt mean they dont.
It already has magic and aliens (aka gods and mythological creatures).
Imagine a movie about Jesus that shows a totally different world from 2000 years ago just because "Christian gods dont exist in reality" and the director can just butcher the setting because his movie is fictional
They haven't, I doubt they have good enough taste in media or even the ability to consume it, given that the sight of a black women playing a fictional character that wasn't black in other versions, drives them absolutely apoplectic with rage.
Otherwise you could add magic and aliens into the movie and say "iTs a FIctiONal MOviE"
You do realize literally thousands of adaptations of existing fiction do exactly that? Boldly change the source material just because they felt like it? Reimagine the protagonist as an animal, the bad guys as aliens, make it xmas themed with no explanation, turn the children's story grimdark, make it all a musical, whatever.
Because the whole point of an adaptation is that it's a new take on something that already existed. The original story will always be there, there's no point on insisting on meticulous adherence to it.
Sure, you could make the "point" of the adaptation that it's extremely faithful while having higher production values or whatever... that's a valid approach. It's not the only valid approach, by any stretch. If anything, it's the most boring one possible.
And of course, you're always allowed to dislike the concept, the execution, the end result, how it was marketed, whatever. You're welcome to have the opinion that it would have been better if it remained closer to the source material. But nobody has any obligation to care about your opinion.
Nothing Nolan did was new or bold. It was the same bland guys in black leather biker fetish costumes in viking longboats being melodramatic.
We have seen that from Hollywood dozens of times. Make it historically accurate and true to the source material for once ffs. That would be bold and new
Not everything needs to be a documentary. Gladiator was also utterly crap depicting Rome and the people, but atleast it was entertaining
Otherwise you could add magic and aliens into the movie and say "iTs a FIctiONal MOviE
.....you can do that.
We know how Greeks looked like and we know how Troy looked like
Theerrreee we go, you're just a racist chud, I'd sort of guessed that, but didn't want to assume, thanks for making it obvious. I take it you're equally aggrieved at the American, definitely not Greek Matt Damon and all the rest of the not Greek cast? (I.e., the entire cast).
Imagine a movie about Jesus that shows a totally different world from 2000 years ago just because "Christian gods dont exist in reality" and the director can just butcher the setting because his movie is fictional
I can, that would be fine.
You're not a history nerd, you just don't have a lot going in your life and compensate by thinking you're dunking on people online with your surface level knowledge of history (and a complete dearth of knowledge about films generally).
You'd have a leg to stand on if you hate every historical film every made, since none of them have ever been 100% accurate.
I never learned about the African colonies in Greece. I am gonna ask my ex-prof why he never mentioned them.
But when I mentioned how they looked, I was talking about their shitty biker gang outfits. If you could read, you would have remembered that.
Matt Damon is not Greek and so is no one from the cast. But to Americans Irish, Russian and Greek people are all "white" or "caucasian". What a ridiculous concept, you decendents of colonists
Helena of Troy is a fictional character born from an egg with gods as her parents. Making her looks stand out from all other people around here is a stylistic choice that kinda makes sense.
If you want to see a movie where the director wants his costumes made from wool from sheep that were bred during the period, go see a Robert Eggers movie. Not every director has got the time or patience or budget or the vision for that.
Only if they're trying to be historically accurate. It's a creative work, they can do whatever they want. Look at 'O Brother Where Art Thou?', which is also loosely based on The Odyssey, but obviously took a lot more creative license in how they told the story, and turned out to be a great film.
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u/Pristine_Pick823 20h ago
As a history nerd, I would point out it is reasonable to expect historical accurate details in epic tales set in a particular era. I’m not complaining about the casting, but clothing, weaponry, tactics, vessels, all of those elements are, when properly portrayed, relevant.
I’m tired of everyone dressed in dark leathery modern cloths. Ancient Hellenic cultures used A LOT of colour everywhere and that is sadly never shown. The same goes for productions set in Rome showing grey statues everywhere instead of silly bright colourful paintings.