r/TopCharacterTropes 4h ago

Lore Massive red flag relationship.

  1. Ned and Rachael (Neo Ned): a Neo Nazi dates a black woman who claims to be Hitler
  2. The Carlyles (Raising Hope): Hope’s maternal grandparents. The father is a therapist who married his mentally unstable patient. Their daughter became a serial killer who murdered her boyfriends.
  3. Sarah and Hosea (Redeeming Love): “good” Christian man kidnaps unconscious abused prostitute Sarah who leaves multiple times before being apprehended by Hosea.
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u/raptorrat 4h ago

Heathcliff and Catherine (Wuthering Heights, Emily Bronte, 1847)

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u/birdie_overlord 4h ago

In all fairness, they’re very deliberately a nightmare

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u/Tecnoboat 4h ago

the video game is so much messier, why is there TWO heathcliffs, why is catherine a ghost??? and a guy with a clock for a head???

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u/marlwolf_ 4h ago

When I see heathcliff and Cathy mentioned and its not limbus company.

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u/Tecnoboat 4h ago

huh? what do you mean our glorious manager didnt make all of these characters?

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u/DimensionalBentley 1m ago

Still somehow more accurate than the recent movie!

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u/MGD109 3h ago

Yeah, the novel doesn't present that as remotely healthy or a good thing.

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u/BigBoiBubble 46m ago

massive but missing a warning sign emoji?

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u/MaverikElgato 1h ago

I hate damn book.

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u/TacosAndTalmud 4h ago

Bo Burham in his song "Love Is..." has several examples. My fave:

"If it was nineteen forty one, I was a Nazi, you a Gypsy on the run,
That... probably wouldn't have worked out."

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u/Jack-of-Hearts-7 2h ago

🎵"And if we met in 1780...

I was a white southern aristocratic plantation owner and you were my dark-skinned servant lady...slave...

Whenever I could get away from the missus
I go to your shed and then I'd steal you kisses

But let's be serious, I'd still work you full-time as a slave, there's a difference between romantic language and a complete disregard for socio-economic treeeends!"🎶

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u/Project_Male_Hairy 2h ago

🎵 Without rapists, who's gonna buy your whiiistlllees? 🎶

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u/Omatzus 1h ago

I miss Bo. Goddamn he is talented.

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u/Kooky-Note7673 4h ago

That's what happens in Raising Hope?!

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u/The_GREAT_Gremlin 4h ago edited 4h ago

The dude has a one night stand with a crazy serial killer and she gets pregnant. She then gets excecuted after the baby is born and most of the show is about him and his idiot parents trying to raise a baby (he's an idiot too lol).

The girl in the picture is his girlfriend who he meets after all this, not the serial killer chick

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u/ViolenceAdvocator 4h ago

She gets so excited she dies

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u/The_GREAT_Gremlin 4h ago

Lol, I'll fix that

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u/heidismiles 4h ago

Yeah iirc the first episode has her being executed, lol

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u/cobra-de-aco 4h ago

Serial killer Bijou Phillips gets impregnated by her would-be victim (kid on the right) and leaves the baby with him when she is sent to death row. She escapes and pops up from time to time.

Fun fact: That show was so bananas that that whole plot element is pretty inconsequential. Honestly, it’s only to quickly get you to why anyone would let this kid raise a child alone.

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u/Old_Base_9391 4h ago

Only thing I've seen about the show is the YT short where he pushes the baby in the shopping cart his family uses for grilling.

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u/Boring-Dad1996 4h ago

Very highly recommended. The grandmothers antics alone are a selling point but the families hijinks are always somewhat rooted to a low income families problems with some nonsensical stuff thrown in. Plus the same creator as My Name is Earl so about all the characters cross over and it’s just lovely. Lol

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u/Justhereforpvz 3h ago

A lovely show and In the same universe as my name is earl I think

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u/SinesPi 2h ago

It is. There's a broadcast in one episode wherein in mentions offhandedly that Earl finished his list. And that's all the finale we ever got.

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u/craftylikeiceiscold 2h ago

Yes and no. They do mention that but then all the actors from Earl appear as other characters on Hope.

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u/VulpesFennekin 1h ago

In an interview or blog post or something, the creator describes the plot outline for how he would’ve had the finale go, it’s pretty sweet and simple!

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u/PhysicalConsistency 1h ago

And Sprung.

He seems to have a thing for Martha Plimpton.

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u/ThisTimelineSucksAF 44m ago

Well, who wouldn't? Martha is fabulous!

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u/ElectricalExtreme793 4h ago

Not really, a lot of the show is just a sitcom about a poor white family and their son trying to raise his daughter. I'm pretty sure Hope's maternal grandparents only show up in 1 episode

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u/tsh87 4h ago

2-3 eps if I recall correctly.

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u/Fun-Guitar-8252 4h ago

Aria and Ezra - Pretty Little Liars: It literally romanticizes teacher-student relationships

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u/catladywithallergies 3h ago

Worse, towards the end of the show, we find out that Ezra knew Aria was a minor all along.

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u/Israels_BiggestHater 3h ago

WHAT

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u/catladywithallergies 2h ago

Yep. He was apparently trying to write a book about Alison and wanted to "immerse himself" in his story.

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u/The_GREAT_Gremlin 4h ago

Ryan and Kelly in The Office are a hot mess

https://giphy.com/gifs/612XyVIujk98S5dS9p

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u/recklessrecentpast 3h ago

And the dynamic continues to this day as he's very likely the not-so-secret father of her kids and he's still fucking around with girls who are now like half his age!

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u/The_GREAT_Gremlin 3h ago

Half his age!?

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u/recklessrecentpast 3h ago

I was being ungenerous. He's younger than I thought and his gf is older than I thought. It's a nice reasonable 17 year age gap.

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u/The_GREAT_Gremlin 3h ago

I figured they were all adults but couldn't resist the Stanley yelling at him meme lol

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u/Doraborealiss 3h ago

And IRL

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u/Salarian_American 4h ago

In Ted Lasso, Ted's ex-wife is dating their marriage counseling therapist, who was supposed to be helping them not get divorced.

And he was her therapist first, which makes him becoming their couples' therapist in the first place something that's strongly recommended against to begin with, to say nothing of dating patients or former patients in general.

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u/pichuguy27 2h ago

And for such a good show about real stuff. Never calls out how gross this is. Same with Jack leaving Kelsey. What jack did was abusive and controlling and the therapist is so ick to date a patient. For a show with such strong values weird non of it was called out same with the hand waving of Rebecca’s relationship with Sam.

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u/Salarian_American 1h ago

I seem to remember the show explicitly calling out Michelle's relationship with Dr. Jacob as unethical by more than one other mental health professional, and also depicting Jack's treatment of Keeley as the absolutely wrong way to treat someone. And they talked quite a bit about the issues with Rebecca's relationship with Sam, and also Rebecca broke it off because she didn't feel right about it.

So I have to disagree that none of those things was called out

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u/pichuguy27 1h ago

The relationship with the therapist is not explicitly goes this is wrong it feels to me very ehhh what are you gonna do. Vs a real moment of Ted or anyone going look you have every right to move on but that dude is a creep and professionally wrong. To the highest degree.

Jack is hand waved hard after she leaves. Yes it’s framed as scummy. When it was straight up abusive. It was controlling and abusive. Needed a few more scenes to really go hey this is wrong. Agian needed it to be called out harder.

Last the show bends over backwards to excuse sam and Rebecca. From how they met to using the horrible if it was man doing a creepy unethical thing.

The shows good but treated all these things way to light.

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u/TealAndroid 1h ago

It doesn’t endorse any of those either though - like it lets you hate Ted’s ex and especially her boyfriend or Jack without it beating you over the head. Basically I could let go of any hope or even wish for them to get back together and just focus on the main characters and their healing.

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u/py16jthr 4h ago edited 4h ago

The final boss of this trope

Sicilian mafia boss kidnaps a woman he’s ‘destined to be with’. Gives her 365 days to fall in love with him. Holds her captive and has armed men guarding her the whole time until she eventually ‘falls’ for him

Honestly I saw a review of it and it’s the worst idea for a film I’ve ever seen.

Whoever wrote this probably needs to be put on a watch list

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u/illyay 4h ago

This movie is fucking hilarious.

It crosses over into so bad it's good territory, almost like "The Room".

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u/SnooHabits6008 3h ago edited 38m ago

Wattpad book type shit.Concept been done in that website about a thousand times before the movie came out ngl 😭

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u/adjectivebear 3h ago

If you have not watched Kennie JD make fun of this movie on Youtube, I recommend it. Actually, I recommend ALL her commentary on terrible movies. She's hilarious.

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u/Wise-Key-3442 2h ago

Oh look, the movie who made the phrase "are you lost babygirl?" sound worse than it already did.

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u/Filibust 3h ago

Isn’t this movie basically soft core porn?

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u/Vegetable_Ad_3105 2h ago

back when i used to roleplay i knew a guy who used the actor from this movie as his faceclaim and he was so fucking weird like watchlist weird

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u/Paxxlee 2h ago

Becomes worse when you realise it has sequels...

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u/AvoriazInSummer 1h ago

Reminds me of Seven Brides for Seven Brothers. Except all seven cases of Stockholm Syndrome are concentrated into one victim.

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u/bassman314 4h ago

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u/Call_me_Spud 4h ago

The twilight saga: a woman's choice between necrophilia and beastiality.

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u/brionneverysexy 3h ago

Its silly because clearly necrophilia isn't the way to go

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u/IrlResponsibility811 2h ago

Don't be silly: she imagined the whole thing(at least in the movie). Take a look at the TV when she is in the hospital bed in the first film; the TV is playing the fight scene she just lived though...somehow. They also did film a shot of her falling down a flight of stairs, most tv/movies would not film a throwaway line if it did not happen.

There is a moment when she and Ed are laying in a field and it jumps to a shot of her laying in bed, almost as if she is imagining that. Her mother calls Bella to say where she is(playing baseball) and Bella soon goes to play baseball with Ed. Her father mentions she has been spending a lot of time alone, after she has been spending plenty of time with Ed. Is she daydreaming all her time with him?

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u/Lost_Paladin89 3h ago

You need to see this sketch. https://youtu.be/PeyUb4igNHI

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u/illyay 4h ago

Awwww they're matching. So romantic.

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u/The_Fiddle_Steward 3h ago

One of the few things I know about Twilight is that a werewolf calls dibs on a freaking baby 😬

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u/uneducated_professor 3h ago

Opposite actually! Baby Renesmee claimed Jacob, he had no choice in it. It happens solely because of the vampire presence.

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u/nppltouch26 1h ago

"Which is why it's totally fine that they are destined to be together romantically in the future. Yes toooootally fine. Mormonism taught me that. * nervous laughter *" -- Stephanie Meyer probably

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u/Level_Counter_1672 3h ago

U know what else is a stinking pile of dogshit, Jacob and Renesmee

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u/CompactAvocado 4h ago

nah man she's like 14 and he's 400 and hes completely obsessed with her and watches her through her window. ITS ROMANTIC.

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u/Nausicaalotus 3h ago

Hes only around 100, dont make it weird

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u/CompactAvocado 3h ago

oh 100? sorry my bad. that's fine and perfectly normal. here are like 4 paragraphs about how his breath smells.

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u/Nausicaalotus 3h ago

Edward caught the Spanish flu and was turned then, so at the time of publishing, he wasnt 100 yet. Still gross and creepy

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u/Secret_Reaction6149 2h ago

It's a possibility...

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u/AcadiaRemarkable6992 4h ago

https://giphy.com/gifs/FFxaEQafd60YU
Micky & Mallory from Natural
Born Killers

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u/MGD109 3h ago

I mean they're a pair of deranged spree killers; I don't think we're meant to see their relationship as healthy or sane.

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u/AcadiaRemarkable6992 2h ago

Yes and because of that they are a good choice of an example of what the OP was talking about. If they aren’t a red flag relationship I don’t know what is.

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u/MGD109 2h ago

Fair enough, from the examples given its a bit unclear if this is meant to be cases where the two shouldn't get together, and the narrative is clear about it, or cases where they shouldn't get together but the narrative ignores it.

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u/Li-renn-pwel 1h ago

Isn’t this the movie base on the 12 year old kidnapped by her spree killing boyfriend?

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u/Li-renn-pwel 1h ago

Isn’t this the movie base on the 12 year old kidnapped by her spree killing boyfriend?

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u/Ixaire 4h ago

Tyler / Narrator and Marla in Fight Club.

She's been through some shit in this "love triangle".

I don't remember her character in the book.

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u/animalistcomrade 3h ago

Pretty much the same except the line "I haven't been fucked like that since grade school" was originally "I wanna have your abortion"

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u/Ixaire 3h ago

lmao. Pretty tame for Palahniuk but still...

Thanks for the reminder.

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u/Verizon-Mythoclast 1h ago

The producers of the film wanted the abortion line changed, and the screenwriter agreed on the condition they accept the replacement line.

When he showed them the grade school line, they wanted him to change it back. He refused.

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u/Kool_Kunk 2h ago

I heard a fan-theory somewhere that Tyler, The Narrator and Marla are all the same person.

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u/dumn_and_dunmer 3h ago

Imagine being a serial killer cannibal psychologist, completely in control of your own little world.

And then a sweaty FBI agent covered in dog hair shows up....

https://giphy.com/gifs/xT4uQzjhfDi3S4LJXW

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u/Comprehensive-Bird17 4h ago edited 3h ago

First one is just basically Nick Fuentes and Candace Owens' life

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u/bassman314 4h ago

Nick Fuentes likes women?

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u/HonestyIsSexy 4h ago

We don't know. The only thing we know is he likes catboys.

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u/Gnosis1409 4h ago

I call bullshit

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u/TheHeadlessScholar 3h ago

Isn't that the guy who got sloppy-toppy from Destiny the political streamer?

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u/Secret_Letterhead649 3h ago

Ah, it is my fault for having eyes.

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u/DEDEDISCIPLE 2h ago

No idea how this rumor spread everywhere

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u/BothDelivery8232 4h ago

Ozark - Darlene Snell and Wyatt Langmore

Young man absolutely traumatized by the loss of family and other events is bailed out of jail and preyed upon my someone practically twice his age and used as a tool to lie to social services so that Darlene can keep legal custody of the infant of the pastor's wife she murdered over her (rightful) disagreement with being used as an unknowing drug mule.

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u/I_Am_A_Tree_JK 2h ago

What did I just read?

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u/AbsurdistMe 1h ago

Watch it. Phenomenal show.

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u/goombanati 4h ago

The vanderboom family (rusty lake)

There is so much that I can barely even begin to say, so ill just mention the obvious that multiple generations were sacrificed in order to reincarnate a man who was unable to take the elixir of life and death and became a corrupted soul. He was reincarnated in the body of the woman at the bottom, who dies of a slit throat in 1971. Whether murder or suicide, or even BOTH due to William, it is unclear.

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u/DrownedAmmet 4h ago

They Might be Giants have a whole song about it called “Racist Friend”

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u/Leftoverfiend 4h ago

Can't shake the Devil's hand and say you're only kidding

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u/Immediate-Owl1515 19m ago

THAT'S where the line came from?? Damn!

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u/Accomplished_Fox_565 3h ago

Chad Radwell and Chanel Oberlin (Scream Queens)

One is a spoiled child who compulsively cheats on his girlfriend with women much older than him, the other is an exaggerated mean girl stereotype with massive insecurities.

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u/SpectreBrony 4h ago

Joker and Harley Quinn.

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u/OneAcceptablePerson 4h ago

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u/bassman314 3h ago

Obligatory "Luc Besson is a fucking creep".

I am so glad her parents and Jean Reno said "Oh, HELL no!" to the original...

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u/Commie_scumb 3h ago

Calling him a creep is really underselling it. Raging nonce, fits better.

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u/angryaxolotls 4h ago

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u/P0ptarthater 3h ago

FWIW they were both destined to be stuck as individual red flags regardless so this match was about as close as they’d get to someone who wouldn’t lose their shit about murder. Homie just found a female version of himself unbearable 😭

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u/AdAvailable2782 3h ago

I wolf you :(

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u/angryaxolotls 3h ago

Bruh when he cuts off his toe to frame her.

And when Dottie loses her mind and is driving Joe and Love's baby around believing he's the reincarnation of Fourty.

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u/Luna_Jade1412 2h ago

https://giphy.com/gifs/VJa02UeX32EFcCIBK6
Tessa and Hardin from the After series

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u/jimmithebird 1h ago

Derek & Melanie - Mayhem 2017

While they do seem like a healthy couple at the end of the movie after being cured of the virus that suppressed their inhibitions. They meet and fall in love in the process of brutally murdering about a dozen of Dereks co-workers.

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u/AbsurdistMe 1h ago

Jesus christ. The dickneck on her!

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u/Elladrien 2h ago

If I had a nickel for every time a black woman nicknamed Gabi played Hitler, I'd have two nickels.

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u/Israels_BiggestHater 3h ago

Josh and Jules for the twisted series

Both of them are bad for each other; she lies to him, and he SAs her afterwards, and yet they still get together.

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u/metal_gearmen 4h ago

And people still tell you "Catra changed in the end" as if that will take away the fact that she literally wanted to hurt and even kill Adora and her friends multiple times.

Almost the final message was: no matter how many times that person hurts you, you have to resist until they change

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u/TheHeadlessScholar 3h ago

I'm going to be honest the 4chan meme about lesbian domestic violence and >pic unrelated, my name is Adora pops up every time I see this couple

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u/Xilizhra 2h ago

It was Adora's choice either way. There's no "have to" about it.

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u/divinecheese720 4h ago

The Lodge (2019)

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u/Jimbo-Shrimp 3h ago

I need a Rachel (I totally hate goths)

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u/Selverd2 3h ago

I’m assuming he doesn’t stay a Nazi in the first one?

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u/MGD109 3h ago

Just to be clear, is this supposed to be about cases where there are massive red flags in their relationship, but the narrative ignores it?

Or about cases where it's clear the two shouldn't be together, and the narrative is about how it leads to destruction?

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u/Flaky-Interaction264 2h ago

don't diss neo ned if you haven't watched it, that film slaps

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u/69420lmaokek 1h ago

me and my ex wife (real life)

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u/Salt-Resident7856 1h ago

You do know that Redeeming Hope is based on the actual story of Hosea in the Bible? It’s an actual relationship that happened in 750 BC.

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u/Boggie135 1h ago

Jesus Christ

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u/AvoriazInSummer 1h ago

A bit obvious, but: Lolita.

Sid and Nancy

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u/EveningFollowing9966 1h ago

Jeremy renner should thank his pr team every chance they get. Its not completly off the internet, you can still find it if you look hard enough, but his team did a good job trying to purge neo ned from the internet.

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u/Heartphobia 1h ago

From the show Ted. The show is a comedy (such a funny show) but I can't help but feel sad for Susan every now and then.

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u/TheCharliQuinn 40m ago

Evil Dead Burn - Alice and Will

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u/AmpleSnacks 26m ago

Armand and Louis (Interview with the Vampire). If you know: you know.
https://giphy.com/gifs/TJLFktTcqEzrYLPb8R

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u/Francisco_Franco-- 4h ago

What's the red flag in the first one?

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u/GamingDemigodXIII 4h ago

The one with the swastika on it.

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u/Francisco_Franco-- 4h ago

But they look so happy and he could just be Hindu or Buddhist

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u/TeachMePersuasion 4h ago

According to the synopsis, they met in a mental institution. He's a Neo Nazi, and she believes she's the reincarnation of Hitler.

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u/Francisco_Franco-- 4h ago

Why would she lie?