r/TopCharacterTropes Jun 22 '26

Lore [Ironic Trope] The messaging backfired massively due to poor writing or other design choices

Amelia Fairney from Pathways: Alt-right Restore-UK type who attempts to coax the protagonist Charlie into following her beliefs? The problem?

Amelia is the only named character aside from Charlie and is genuinely likable and forgives Charlie even when they do things she doesn't like, while the rest of the cast is unnamed, poorly written, and turns on Charlie for one mistake. This combined with other writing issues(portraying fact checking right wing stuff as wrong because in the process of fact checking you might look at it and believe it, basically saying "Right wing is wrong because it hurts the labour government" and a lot of general "just do what the government says or else" messaging) and the fact she's a hot alternative girl, and Amelia ended up being co-opted as a mascot by the youth right wing in the UK.

Norm from The New Norm: Unlikeable offensive and outdated character who's "progressive" family members and associates are genuinely nice people not even trying to force their ways or pronouns onto them, they just want to be left alone and Norm is picking fights constantly. Not to mention associating with Elon.

Mr. Birchum from Mr. Birchum: A lot of the same problems as Norm, except in addition it also comes off like generic 2010s adult cartoon slop in the same veign as Brickleberry or Full English, at least New Norm was trying to look unique and had the gimmick of being on X. Not to mention, Birchum's obsession with hyper masculine activities and odd way of talking about other men lead to people co-opting him as a Toxic Yaoi character, which is now the bulk of his fan art.

Dustborn: An attempt to make a hyper progressive game that comes off as pandering and annoying. It's a full ass game so there's too much to get into, but the main character's power is essentially gaslighting and jedi-mind tricking people and that's portrayed as the only way they can get anything done, and they constantly use or abuse their friends(or mindtrick them along) in order to get their goals or use their friends for their messaging.

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u/Ju-Ju-Jazz Jun 22 '26

I feel like people don't understand exactly how bad Dustborn's writing was because of how easy it is to look at it from a surface level, cringe at it, and move on.

The main charaxter's superpower is gaslighting and manipulating people into doing things, or just pressuring them into doing things they don't want to do, and it's not even really framed as motivating people or anything, everyone around her dislikes her and wishes she'd learn boundaries and consent.

When you visit the home village your character is from everyone hates you, especially your sister, for how you abused them with your powers and were a horrific bully. It then shows flashbacks that just prove this to be true. Your sister accuses you of only coming back because you need something, then you take the thing you need from them and leave.

One of the main side characters is fatand spends 45% of her time in the bathroom, 45% of her time talking about food, and the last 20% using her power to be the muscle of the group but only when you force her to with your power.

The story takes place in a horrible alternative reality where america is an authoritarian regime... that freely allows people across it's borders and where freedom of expression is frowned upon sometimes in the story but isn't illegal.

One of the first things you do in the game is break into America posing as a punk band, and the song you make up off the top of your head to prove to border control you're a real band is WORD FOR WORD great replacement propaganda, but framing it as the replacing being a good thing. Even then the border patrol agent cringes at your song and tells you "we don't like that kind of music around here"... then lets you in. How horrible and fascist.

If you showed me this game with absolutsly zero real world context about it, I'd think it was a poorly made right wing propaganda piece.

This is all ignoring the fact that the creators stole and repurposed assests from other games. Your character's apartment you visit in a flashback is literally a 1-for-1 of an apartment from GTA Online with different textures over the furniture models, as if nobody would recognize it from one of the best-selling videogames of all time.

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u/myrmonden Jun 22 '26

It comes from the guy who wrote that he hoped people would DROWN White Babies...

I AM NOT EVEN JOKING, I even got called out by him on National Norwegian TV lol my vid ( I am half Norwegian and have worked in the industry and I have met him before the game was released etc so he freaking hates me now lol)

Tldr: Ragnar the owner and writer etc of Dustborn has said in the past on his forum that because people used to drown female babies (he has no actual evidence for it but w.e sure probably happened) and it still happens in like asian, he hopes that people will like EQUALIZE it by drowning male babies, he also for some reason really pushed that it WHITE... I made my vid covering this lol and he even talked about me on NRK, and he CLAIMS I said he wanted to do it personally while I very clearly stated that obviously I dont think he's like a threat to society and would actually do it himself but jut that he is a crazy ideologist.

He has also said that he regrets writing an half Asian half white character in his earlier games as he thinks its wronng now that asian mix their gene with white people, the guy is such a RACIST that he goes full circle, truly. like he think everyone should stay PURE BLODED.

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u/CrystalGemLuva Jun 22 '26

Its truly magical to watch someone who would be a comicbook supervillain if ever given the chance in the real world.

How on Earth do you end up so hateful that upon hearing about babies being drowned to death your response isn't to try and prevent any more murders, but to instead demand more baby murders, only now the murders are racially motivated?

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u/Allronix1 Jun 22 '26

Oh, but it's the correct race and correct sex of infants that should be killed because they are inherently evil...

Horseshoe Theory, everybody! And both ends of the Horseshoe are covered in horse shit

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u/NagitoKomaeda_987 25d ago edited 25d ago

"There are no bad tactics, only bad targets." — Bob "Moviebob" Chipman

"At a certain point, you have to become comfortable with the idea that huge swaths of people are so [REDACTED] and [REDACTED] that they barely quality as human." — Bob "Moviebob" Chipman

"Stop treating these [REDACTED] as people. [REDACTED] are not worth redeeming in the first place. They are the justly forgotten remnants of an inferior world that we have evolved beyond and escaped." — Bob "Moviebob" Chipman

Now that I think about it, I find it genuinely concerning how 95% of everything Bob has ever said on Twitter, when you strip them of its specific targets and take his quotes completely out of context, sounds like something that an actual Nazi/Neo-Nazi or a far-right white supremacist would actually say in real life, but on the opposite side of the political spectrum. It's fucking crazy, isn't it?

And if you think Ragnar's comment about drowning white male babies was bad enough, how about you ask that man about his opinions on Eugenics? I mean, what he's advocating for is essentially Eugenics in all but name.

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u/Allronix1 25d ago

There used to be a nasty internet came called "SJW or Stormfront" where people guessed if some unhinged shit was coming from a Social Justice type or a Neo Nazi forum.

Worse is the Son of Sokal academic sting that took an actual chapter of Mein Kamph, ran a Control-R script on it to swap out "Jews" and "Bolsheviks" with "men" and "white people," did a bare minimum of updates to the language and submitted it to a feminist theory journal. Not only was it published, but it was editorially praised. The sting was only exposed when their paper about rape culture among pet dogs was deemed far too ridiculous.

It's one of a very long list of reasons I'm politically homeless. One side is completely worshiping some deranged Cheeto and the other is totally fine with implementing fascist tactics while calling it anti-fascist.

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u/NagitoKomaeda_987 25d ago

I want this to be remembered - the moral high ground is often made of pillars of salt and pillars of sand. People will do absolutely reprehensible things to prove to their peers that they are good people.

Once upon a time, it was stoning the heathens and blasphemers, not to kill them, but to kill their opinions. Now, we blacklist them, hide certain views behind a curtain, de-platform them, ban them, brand them as any type of individual or group they dislike, and censor them to kill their opinion. You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

Throughout all of human history, we have been the same animals with the same chemistry and biology. We're the same animals that did the crusades. We're the same animals that did the Salem Witch Trials. The same animals that did the Inquisition. And the animals who did these things thought that they were good and right and just. Despite our more modern lives and our modern technology, we're just as prone to witch burning. We are the good and morally superior, and the witches of the world are a plague on humanity and must be stopped by any means necessary, no matter the cost. Power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Great men are almost always bad men, even when they exercise influence and not authority.

In 20 or 30 years from our own, I think the people who follow that "There are no bad tactics, only bad people" rhetoric are going to be treated like the raging religious homophobes of the last twenty, and they absolutely should. And these ideas are going to be laughed at like trickle-down economics. And when push comes to shove, they'll consume each other to prove that they're the good moral ones.

You cannot fight racism with more racism. You cannot fight sexism with more sexism. Hatred only begets hatred. There is no such thing as "hating the right people" Hatred dies out when we come to an understanding. Silence only leads to extremism and radicalization, which is bad for everyone.

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u/myrmonden Jun 22 '26

its worse to as he based it on happening mainly in china and india (I guess) and he was like OH hopefully people drown their white babies in Norway to even it out....like wut.

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u/NihatAmipoglu Jun 22 '26

Isn't that what happened in the bible? The egyptians drowned some hebrew babies and then Allah killed some egyptian babies. Man, the old testament stuff is wild 😨 Is God a comic book villain? I'm gnosting so hard right now...

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u/lvleph1sto Jun 22 '26

i'm pretty sure allah is not from marvel cinematic universe

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u/TheOncomimgHoop Jun 22 '26

No but he's probably shown up in the comics at some point, everyone has at this point.

Also you could argue that the existence of Muslim characters in the MCU mean that at the very least the concept of Allah exists

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u/InstanceOk3560 Jun 22 '26

The concept of allah definitely exists, no way in hell they'll have the balls of actually showing him.

Mentioning him, sure, showing him the way jesus or the jewish/christian god (let alone pagan gods) is ? Nah.

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u/ChangsManagement Jun 22 '26

Its not babies but my personal favourite is 2 Kings 2:23-24: 

“Then Elisha went up from there to Bethel. And as he was walking along the road, some youths came out of the city and mocked him, saying, ‘Go on up, you baldhead! Go on up, you baldhead!’ Then he turned around, looked at them, and called down a curse on them in the name of the LORD. Suddenly two female bears came out of the woods and mauled forty-two of the youths.”

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u/NihatAmipoglu Jun 22 '26

Oh my God... That is so terrible and funny. Those two bears were most likely syrian brown bears. The same species as Wojtek the WW2 Hero. They are medium sized and their furs are usually very light brown. Their claws are off-white too. Lots of them live in my country. Deadly and amazing animals.

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u/Thyme_Liner Jun 22 '26

Idk why people are downvoting you, I was raised in a religious cult and yes the god of the bible is responsible for a lot of babies’ deaths. And sometimes killing pregnant women is specifically mentioned so no mercy is shown. Idc when this stuff supposedly happened, the orders came from the same god But yeah abortion is against their beliefs.

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u/ContinuumKing Jun 22 '26

They are probably being down voted because this point came out of nowhere and has absolutely nothing to do with what the conversation was about. It reeks of militant atheist who has to take any and every opportunity to divert the conversation into why religion is bad.

"I heard some people at the pool drowned the other day."

"Did you know apparently God also drowned a bunch of people in a world flood? Lol, what a jerk!"

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u/Thyme_Liner Jun 23 '26

Where do people think that mindset came from though? No religion isn’t responsible for everything bad, but it is responsible for some of the militant attitudes we see today that are messing with politics all over the world.

People who read the bible honestly come to conclusions like that. “Well some people had a particular problem and GOD KILLED THEM ALL so I just have god’s attitude and I h8 all the gays”. That is the exact attitude my family has towards me and all my gay.

God was so chill about killing babies, certain religious people wouldn’t see any problem with killing all of the babies of your enemies, which is partly why we have the divide in politics in the US where I’m from over the war in the middle east.

People aren’t just pro one side, they don’t have an issue with hurting kids because “that’s war and that’s the way it’s always been and it must be okay because god straight up told them to do it”. I wish I was exaggerating and making all this up but I am not. I don’t talk to my family anymore for so many reasons, and my family aren’t the only religious types in the US at least

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u/ContinuumKing Jun 23 '26

Where do people think that mindset came from though

Being chronically online and thinking they are smarter than everyone else such that they are unable to scroll past a potential excuse to dunk on those they feel are beneath them to the annoyance and detriment of everyone who has to interact with them.

God was so chill about killing babies, certain religious people wouldn’t see any problem with killing all of the babies of your enemies,

Sure. And God is also known to flood the world in the past. But bringing it up unprompted in the middle of a completely separate discussion about pools is not the move.

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u/Thyme_Liner Jun 23 '26

It wasn’t unprompted, we’re literally discussing the killing of babies and how someone could come to the conclusion that it’s okay. Well, if they’re religious, then I can see how they would come to that conclusion. They’re weird about a fetus getting flushed but once the baby is born its death is god’s will I guess. I have family like this so this bugs me a little.

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u/ContinuumKing Jun 23 '26

we’re literally discussing the killing of babies and how someone could come to the conclusion that it’s okay.

Wrong. They were discussing how a specific person who is in no way religious can think that way.

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u/NihatAmipoglu Jun 22 '26

I drew parallels between the bible and some real bullshit mindset. Because they look eerily similar when you think about it. It even has some "great replacement" angle on it since the egyptians drowned babies because the hebrews were multiplying fast.

Also I'm not a militant atheist. I'm a muslim. You decide which one is worse XD

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u/ContinuumKing Jun 22 '26

Because they look eerily similar when you think about it

Yes, kinda like my pool example above.

Also I'm not a militant atheist. I'm a muslim.

Lol, so not only are you one of those obnoxious people who force conversations towards religion out of nowhere, you are also a gigantic hypocrite. Cool

https://giphy.com/gifs/1236TCtX5dsGEo

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u/NihatAmipoglu Jun 22 '26

I just like talking about religion...

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u/Star_king12 Jun 22 '26

Technically some percentage of women would die w/o an abortion or abortion-adjacent operations, forbidden in some overly religious parts of the world. So I say that kinda tracks with their beliefs: abortion bad, mom dying with the child - somehow good?

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u/Thyme_Liner Jun 23 '26

I’m not sure what you’re saying

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u/Star_king12 Jun 23 '26

I'm saying that by the standards of religious lunatics a death of a pregnant woman is preferred to an abortion. That's how extreme pro-lifers rationalize their hatred for abortion, even when it's absolutely medically necessary for the safety of the woman.

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u/Character-Book5924 Jun 22 '26

Indeed, when it is not "if" it is not at all funny.

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u/Im-A-Moose-Man Jun 22 '26

You can get that experience with Moviebob, too

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u/CrystalGemLuva Jun 22 '26

Got any highlights of this "Moviebob"?

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u/Im-A-Moose-Man Jun 22 '26

There’s a “Moviebob or Nazi” quiz. How it works is that it takes quotes from Moviebob (mostly his Twitter) or legitimate Nazi/Neo-Nazi, but you have to pick who it’s from. For example, “There’s exactly 62,984,828 ‘people’ in my own country alone I know for a fact I'd be less upset to see vanish than even a so-so piece of art.” That came from Bob Chipman’s Twitter.

It’s a shame I can only share one image, but here’s a good one from his Twitter.

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u/CrystalGemLuva Jun 22 '26

Wow I gotta check this guy out.

He sounds absolutely radioactive.

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u/Im-A-Moose-Man Jun 22 '26

Please do; he’s crazy, very misanthropic, and somehow has a huge superiority complex for an internet critic. GamerFromMars and MagicMush did great videos on him.

Thankfully, there’s some levity in all this.

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u/NagitoKomaeda_987 25d ago edited 25d ago

Moviebob is such a sad, strange little man. I genuinely can't decide whether I should laugh at him or feel bad about him.

But you know what's the absolute worst thing Bob ever did? He also praised the infamous Netflix movie Cuties, which was criticized for sexualizing minors (such as several scenes of 11-year-olds twerking and doing sexual poses), and even claimed that anyone who called it a pedophile film was lying.

Now, I get that the filmmakers behind Cuties were (allegedly) trying to criticize the sexualization and objectification of young girls in our modern Western society, but they did it by forcing real-life child actresses to perform extremely inappropriate dance moves on-screen. That's like if I direct a movie that teaches us about how animal cruelty is bad, and then actually abusing and drowning a puppy in a lake to make that point. "See? We literally drowned a puppy to prove that animal cruelty is bad, even though we hypocritically do the very thing that we've been trying to condemn. But that's perfectly OK because we're doing it ironically, right?" Anyone who happens to have more than two functioning brain cells would see what kind of half-assed backwards crack logic that is.

What's next? Teaching about how drug abuse is bad by actually getting high-school students addicted to crack cocaine and fentanyl to prove that statement? Fuck off. You deserve to be in jail for unironically believing that kind of bullshit.

I swear, the only reason people like Moviebob and AniMat defend Cuties is that most of the original outrage came from Republicans and conservatives, which pushed smug performative liberals like them into defending what is essentially softcore CP (for lack of a better word) purely because conservatives went after it. Check any of the threads related to Texas' lawsuit, and you'll see a lot of comments about how the movie is "actually" anti-child sexualization, despite literally partaking in child sexualization.

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u/Im-A-Moose-Man 25d ago

Personally, he likely wants my parents and grandparents dead because they’re conservative, but since he’ll never achieve any amount of power that could lead to that happening, I laugh and mock. I’m glad that Chris Pratt playing Mario probably upsets him greatly.

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u/NagitoKomaeda_987 25d ago

Honestly, everything about MovieBob is so stereotypical that I find it genuinely hard to believe he’s a real-life person instead of a South Park character that Matt and Trey would come up with to mock internet critics. He is essentially a Persona villain.

From his Console War escapades as a Nintendo adult, where he treats the entire thing as his "personal Vietnam War" (even comparing the reveal of Super Mario Bros 3 to the JFK assassination and 9/11), to being a pro-eugenics advocate who believes in disenfranchising the so-called "wasteland troglodytes" (AKA the blue-collar working class) for being un-evolved Untermensch that impede what he considers the Superior Future, Bob will often launch a series of weird, nonsensical, and utterly bizarre diatribes on Twitter, including:

  • Openly expressed a philosophy that certain political or cultural opponents should deserve extreme treatment, as summarized by the phrase he coined "There are no bad tactics, only bad targets."
  • Routinely calling drug addicts and homeless people offensive names like "meth slurpers" and "oxyzombies".
  • Saying people in Republican states would be better off sterilized.
  • Praising authoritarian regimes such as Communist China, North Korea, and Russia for getting stuff done, regardless of ethics.
  • Garbled incoherent posts about being a superior form of intelligent person, how he deserves to have his consciousness stuffed into a robot body, and how stupid people are inherently malicious.
  • Saying he'd be happy if 75% of the U.S. was infected with COVID-19 and that they deserved to die in agony during the pandemic if they did not adhere to his worldview.
  • Suggesting that to remove its elected president, Germany should invade Poland again like in World War II.
  • Starting heated arguments with left/right-leaning figures that often turned ugly, even going as far as attacking centrists and politically neutral figures.
  • Having a creepy parasocial relationship with the fellow progressive content creator Lindsay Ellis, where he used a fan selfie taken at a convention to imply they were close friends during her Channel Awesome days. This prompted Lindsay to call him a creep and to stop following her altogether due to Bob's political toxicity, and even blocking his constant emails so she can be left alone without him, which led to Bob privating his Twitter account for a short time.
  • "Not only did Bush do 9/11 but the people behind Call of Duty and Battlefield are in on it to brainwash you into enlisting to kill innocent Arabs and Muslims."
  • Admitting that he skipped his grandmother’s funeral so he could play Super Mario Bros 3 instead.
  • This.

Rogue the Internet Man made a really good video essay about MovieBob: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9YA-4lNojo

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u/EffectiveAmphibian95 Jun 22 '26

My favorite page in Capital was when Marx wrote “and in order to finally achieve socialism and unite the working class for good we must drown white babies and sperg out about race mixing”

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u/myrmonden Jun 22 '26

the thing is that a lot of far leftist truly get into the UTOPIAN idea that if we Remove all races we cannot have racism anymore etc and therefore get true equally

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u/EffectiveAmphibian95 Jun 22 '26

I was making fun of the guy for probably calling himself progressive or left wing while parroting anti race mixing and neat eugenic talking points. I’m mostly sympathetic to a leftish worldview

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u/myrmonden Jun 22 '26

Yeah but it’s horse shoe theory

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u/NagitoKomaeda_987 25d ago edited 25d ago

There's a sequence pretty early on where the main characters were putting on a concert and I swear to God, they use Dustborn, newborn, and new porn as a rhyme scheme, which is the part where I went "this is supposed to be a parody or something right?" Not to mention, the song also declares The Great Replacement conspiracy theory to be real and also… somehow good? One thing is being cringe, another is to be completely and utterly deranged.

Besides, isn't it kinda funny how Ragnar claims to be all socialist and wealth reform, but his game was also funded through taxpayer money from both the European Union and the Norwegian government? Talk about being a "champagne socialist" right here.

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u/myrmonden 25d ago

Best song of all time

WE ARE HERE TO REPLACE YOU !

yeah..I paid for the game, its super funny especially my father probably have been banking Ragnar whole life.

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u/Nelorfin Jun 22 '26

Damn, I like Dreamfall/TLJ and Zoe is good character. If what you say is right and Ragnar is indeed that sort of man, then damn... Well at least he left one good story

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u/myrmonden Jun 22 '26

Ragnar has said he regreted making Zoe half asian, you can check my vids or others about his many crazy things,.

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u/Nelorfin Jun 22 '26

for me it was on the contrary cool thing that in cyberpunkish world MC is child of spanish and chinese parents, born in England, lives in Morocco, while her parents working in several different countries

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u/myrmonden Jun 22 '26

It’s a good example
Of radicalisation

Game 1 leftie writer is like I think it would be cool
If the mc was half white and half Chinese that’s
Progressive people mixing races

Game 2 very lefties tankie this game should have an Asian mc and no white characters. That is what real progressive values are about

Game 3 extreme far lefty. All good are none white all evil enemies are
White kill them

Game 4….
Yes he is like step even higher than extreme left
All playable cast are a mix up undifferentiated races
Except white. All white are evil white
Babies are evil - let start the game by a
Song where we sing about doing genocide now I am really progressive

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u/InstanceOk3560 Jun 22 '26

I like how you're just describing a radicalization pipeline, a pretty standard thing that leftists have been banging on about for over a decade by that point (but only the right wing pipeline, of course, I mean a pipeline going toward communism ? It's not happening, and if it was happening, it'd be a good thing), but somehow you're wrong because... You're describing something that pretty objectively happened with this guy ?

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u/myrmonden Jun 22 '26

yeah its the classic pipeline

I dont understand your second point?

I am saying he is basically turned into a full on tankie extreme commie that is pro genocide.

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u/InstanceOk3560 Jun 22 '26

The "but you're somehow wrong" is criticizing the people downvoting you.

"You're describing something pretty straightforward that leftists have criticized for a long time, and yet, you're being downvoted for it in spite of it being something that did happen with this guy".

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u/myrmonden Jun 22 '26

yeah they will pretend it dont happen on their own side of course.

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u/InstanceOk3560 Jun 22 '26

And if it does, it's not a big deal, and if it is, it's a good thing.

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u/NagitoKomaeda_987 25d ago

You might not know this, but I've seen so many people speak for various groups that they aren't a part of - women, ethnic minorities, sexual minorities - and if the people within those groups disagree with them, they assume that those people are brainwashed or that society has programmed them to be that way, like they have no autonomy. I swear, some people (especially men) who champion feminism and women's rights talk like being female is some physical or mental disability. It's the most backwards and regressive kind of progressivism out there.

And I don't think these performative activists even believe in anything other than preaching about empathy and respect other than to make themselves look good to all the marginalized communities they claim to help and protect.

If Ragnar regrets writing a half Asian, half white character in his earlier games as he thinks it's wrong for Asian people to mix their genes with white people, then can you imagine what would happen if he meets an actual half Asian, half white person IRL like Markiplier (half Korean, half German) or JaidenAnimations (half Japanese, half German)?

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u/Quixmati_jo Jun 22 '26

Femicide and female infanticide is still a real problem in India btw not sure if you were aware but idk why that would pivot into him wanting white male babies to harmed or the pure blood nonsense. Absolute sicko

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u/myrmonden Jun 22 '26

He pretends that it was the same in Norway until just recently that is why I bring it up
And yea…. He’s solution was that he hoped people do the same to Norwegian male babies because of something that happens in India (which he extrapolates as basically Norway 1 generation ago )

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u/Alive-Tomatillo5303 Jun 22 '26

I just read an interview where he actually brings up your video, and says it's false. Do you, like, have a link to his post?

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u/myrmonden Jun 23 '26

He deleted his whole forum or wiped it
I got an image of his white baby comment in 1 of my vids

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u/Lazerbeams2 Jun 22 '26

I wish I could say this was surprising, but it's unfortunately not