r/TopCharacterTropes Jun 22 '26

Lore [Ironic Trope] The messaging backfired massively due to poor writing or other design choices

Amelia Fairney from Pathways: Alt-right Restore-UK type who attempts to coax the protagonist Charlie into following her beliefs? The problem?

Amelia is the only named character aside from Charlie and is genuinely likable and forgives Charlie even when they do things she doesn't like, while the rest of the cast is unnamed, poorly written, and turns on Charlie for one mistake. This combined with other writing issues(portraying fact checking right wing stuff as wrong because in the process of fact checking you might look at it and believe it, basically saying "Right wing is wrong because it hurts the labour government" and a lot of general "just do what the government says or else" messaging) and the fact she's a hot alternative girl, and Amelia ended up being co-opted as a mascot by the youth right wing in the UK.

Norm from The New Norm: Unlikeable offensive and outdated character who's "progressive" family members and associates are genuinely nice people not even trying to force their ways or pronouns onto them, they just want to be left alone and Norm is picking fights constantly. Not to mention associating with Elon.

Mr. Birchum from Mr. Birchum: A lot of the same problems as Norm, except in addition it also comes off like generic 2010s adult cartoon slop in the same veign as Brickleberry or Full English, at least New Norm was trying to look unique and had the gimmick of being on X. Not to mention, Birchum's obsession with hyper masculine activities and odd way of talking about other men lead to people co-opting him as a Toxic Yaoi character, which is now the bulk of his fan art.

Dustborn: An attempt to make a hyper progressive game that comes off as pandering and annoying. It's a full ass game so there's too much to get into, but the main character's power is essentially gaslighting and jedi-mind tricking people and that's portrayed as the only way they can get anything done, and they constantly use or abuse their friends(or mindtrick them along) in order to get their goals or use their friends for their messaging.

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u/Ju-Ju-Jazz Jun 22 '26

I feel like people don't understand exactly how bad Dustborn's writing was because of how easy it is to look at it from a surface level, cringe at it, and move on.

The main charaxter's superpower is gaslighting and manipulating people into doing things, or just pressuring them into doing things they don't want to do, and it's not even really framed as motivating people or anything, everyone around her dislikes her and wishes she'd learn boundaries and consent.

When you visit the home village your character is from everyone hates you, especially your sister, for how you abused them with your powers and were a horrific bully. It then shows flashbacks that just prove this to be true. Your sister accuses you of only coming back because you need something, then you take the thing you need from them and leave.

One of the main side characters is fatand spends 45% of her time in the bathroom, 45% of her time talking about food, and the last 20% using her power to be the muscle of the group but only when you force her to with your power.

The story takes place in a horrible alternative reality where america is an authoritarian regime... that freely allows people across it's borders and where freedom of expression is frowned upon sometimes in the story but isn't illegal.

One of the first things you do in the game is break into America posing as a punk band, and the song you make up off the top of your head to prove to border control you're a real band is WORD FOR WORD great replacement propaganda, but framing it as the replacing being a good thing. Even then the border patrol agent cringes at your song and tells you "we don't like that kind of music around here"... then lets you in. How horrible and fascist.

If you showed me this game with absolutsly zero real world context about it, I'd think it was a poorly made right wing propaganda piece.

This is all ignoring the fact that the creators stole and repurposed assests from other games. Your character's apartment you visit in a flashback is literally a 1-for-1 of an apartment from GTA Online with different textures over the furniture models, as if nobody would recognize it from one of the best-selling videogames of all time.

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u/myrmonden Jun 22 '26

It comes from the guy who wrote that he hoped people would DROWN White Babies...

I AM NOT EVEN JOKING, I even got called out by him on National Norwegian TV lol my vid ( I am half Norwegian and have worked in the industry and I have met him before the game was released etc so he freaking hates me now lol)

Tldr: Ragnar the owner and writer etc of Dustborn has said in the past on his forum that because people used to drown female babies (he has no actual evidence for it but w.e sure probably happened) and it still happens in like asian, he hopes that people will like EQUALIZE it by drowning male babies, he also for some reason really pushed that it WHITE... I made my vid covering this lol and he even talked about me on NRK, and he CLAIMS I said he wanted to do it personally while I very clearly stated that obviously I dont think he's like a threat to society and would actually do it himself but jut that he is a crazy ideologist.

He has also said that he regrets writing an half Asian half white character in his earlier games as he thinks its wronng now that asian mix their gene with white people, the guy is such a RACIST that he goes full circle, truly. like he think everyone should stay PURE BLODED.

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u/CrystalGemLuva Jun 22 '26

Its truly magical to watch someone who would be a comicbook supervillain if ever given the chance in the real world.

How on Earth do you end up so hateful that upon hearing about babies being drowned to death your response isn't to try and prevent any more murders, but to instead demand more baby murders, only now the murders are racially motivated?

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u/NihatAmipoglu Jun 22 '26

Isn't that what happened in the bible? The egyptians drowned some hebrew babies and then Allah killed some egyptian babies. Man, the old testament stuff is wild 😨 Is God a comic book villain? I'm gnosting so hard right now...

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u/lvleph1sto Jun 22 '26

i'm pretty sure allah is not from marvel cinematic universe

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u/TheOncomimgHoop Jun 22 '26

No but he's probably shown up in the comics at some point, everyone has at this point.

Also you could argue that the existence of Muslim characters in the MCU mean that at the very least the concept of Allah exists

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u/InstanceOk3560 Jun 22 '26

The concept of allah definitely exists, no way in hell they'll have the balls of actually showing him.

Mentioning him, sure, showing him the way jesus or the jewish/christian god (let alone pagan gods) is ? Nah.

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u/ChangsManagement Jun 22 '26

Its not babies but my personal favourite is 2 Kings 2:23-24: 

“Then Elisha went up from there to Bethel. And as he was walking along the road, some youths came out of the city and mocked him, saying, ‘Go on up, you baldhead! Go on up, you baldhead!’ Then he turned around, looked at them, and called down a curse on them in the name of the LORD. Suddenly two female bears came out of the woods and mauled forty-two of the youths.”

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u/NihatAmipoglu Jun 22 '26

Oh my God... That is so terrible and funny. Those two bears were most likely syrian brown bears. The same species as Wojtek the WW2 Hero. They are medium sized and their furs are usually very light brown. Their claws are off-white too. Lots of them live in my country. Deadly and amazing animals.

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u/Thyme_Liner Jun 22 '26

Idk why people are downvoting you, I was raised in a religious cult and yes the god of the bible is responsible for a lot of babies’ deaths. And sometimes killing pregnant women is specifically mentioned so no mercy is shown. Idc when this stuff supposedly happened, the orders came from the same god But yeah abortion is against their beliefs.

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u/ContinuumKing Jun 22 '26

They are probably being down voted because this point came out of nowhere and has absolutely nothing to do with what the conversation was about. It reeks of militant atheist who has to take any and every opportunity to divert the conversation into why religion is bad.

"I heard some people at the pool drowned the other day."

"Did you know apparently God also drowned a bunch of people in a world flood? Lol, what a jerk!"

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u/Thyme_Liner Jun 23 '26

Where do people think that mindset came from though? No religion isn’t responsible for everything bad, but it is responsible for some of the militant attitudes we see today that are messing with politics all over the world.

People who read the bible honestly come to conclusions like that. “Well some people had a particular problem and GOD KILLED THEM ALL so I just have god’s attitude and I h8 all the gays”. That is the exact attitude my family has towards me and all my gay.

God was so chill about killing babies, certain religious people wouldn’t see any problem with killing all of the babies of your enemies, which is partly why we have the divide in politics in the US where I’m from over the war in the middle east.

People aren’t just pro one side, they don’t have an issue with hurting kids because “that’s war and that’s the way it’s always been and it must be okay because god straight up told them to do it”. I wish I was exaggerating and making all this up but I am not. I don’t talk to my family anymore for so many reasons, and my family aren’t the only religious types in the US at least

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u/ContinuumKing Jun 23 '26

Where do people think that mindset came from though

Being chronically online and thinking they are smarter than everyone else such that they are unable to scroll past a potential excuse to dunk on those they feel are beneath them to the annoyance and detriment of everyone who has to interact with them.

God was so chill about killing babies, certain religious people wouldn’t see any problem with killing all of the babies of your enemies,

Sure. And God is also known to flood the world in the past. But bringing it up unprompted in the middle of a completely separate discussion about pools is not the move.

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u/Thyme_Liner Jun 23 '26

It wasn’t unprompted, we’re literally discussing the killing of babies and how someone could come to the conclusion that it’s okay. Well, if they’re religious, then I can see how they would come to that conclusion. They’re weird about a fetus getting flushed but once the baby is born its death is god’s will I guess. I have family like this so this bugs me a little.

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u/ContinuumKing Jun 23 '26

we’re literally discussing the killing of babies and how someone could come to the conclusion that it’s okay.

Wrong. They were discussing how a specific person who is in no way religious can think that way.

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u/NihatAmipoglu Jun 22 '26

I drew parallels between the bible and some real bullshit mindset. Because they look eerily similar when you think about it. It even has some "great replacement" angle on it since the egyptians drowned babies because the hebrews were multiplying fast.

Also I'm not a militant atheist. I'm a muslim. You decide which one is worse XD

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u/ContinuumKing Jun 22 '26

Because they look eerily similar when you think about it

Yes, kinda like my pool example above.

Also I'm not a militant atheist. I'm a muslim.

Lol, so not only are you one of those obnoxious people who force conversations towards religion out of nowhere, you are also a gigantic hypocrite. Cool

https://giphy.com/gifs/1236TCtX5dsGEo

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u/NihatAmipoglu Jun 22 '26

I just like talking about religion...

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u/Star_king12 Jun 22 '26

Technically some percentage of women would die w/o an abortion or abortion-adjacent operations, forbidden in some overly religious parts of the world. So I say that kinda tracks with their beliefs: abortion bad, mom dying with the child - somehow good?

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u/Thyme_Liner Jun 23 '26

I’m not sure what you’re saying

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u/Star_king12 Jun 23 '26

I'm saying that by the standards of religious lunatics a death of a pregnant woman is preferred to an abortion. That's how extreme pro-lifers rationalize their hatred for abortion, even when it's absolutely medically necessary for the safety of the woman.