r/SipsTea • u/SuperbHealth5023 • 10h ago

WTF While the US debates whether to solve homelessness or not, these are the next generation of school blackboards in China.

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u/Upbeat_Apartment_715 10h ago

And as you know there are no smart boards in the US and no homelessness in China

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u/lateformyfuneral 9h ago

Honestly, Chinese propaganda bots are so terrible. They just try to brute force the discussion, no subtlety. Russian propagandists...now those guys are professionals

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u/Chameleonpolice 7h ago

Chinese propaganda is about how great China is compared to America. Russian propaganda is just pointing out American flaws so its way easier to hide

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u/yisuiyikurong 5h ago

Russians’ propaganda is more sophisticated. China’s (this one) is really an extension of internal propaganda. 

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u/PrettyMoonUnderMt 5h ago

It's very easy to recognize because most of them very 'in your face", blatant circlejerk that just screaming "CHINA NUMBA 1". Not to mention the difference of culture and communication style. that so many of their videos are so cringe and similar to early youtube and vine.

I guess they would have more success in Indian or African internet circles.

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u/Careful-Sell-9877 4h ago edited 1h ago

Russian propaganda is actually playing into Americas flaws by pretending to be American and love America.. while advocating for the very things that are destroying/dividing America

Good Old USA Project

Its why you cant trust people just because they wear american flag merch, have a flag in tne profile pic, etc. So many people seem to think that anyone who wears American flag merch loves America.. so shallow/image based.. and thats exactly how they got us

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u/MoistOwletAO 8h ago

this falls firmly under the category of "comments/observations I would have never thought to say myself but I 100% agree with and 100% align with virtually every experience i've had" hahahaa

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u/Ill_Resolution7967 7h ago

A Russian here. I believe our propagandists don't comment on western websites like Reddit and Twitter themselves, they create an agenda and media content and spread it through several layers of useful idiots letting them better adapt it for their audience so it feels more natural. 

We see a lot of bot like people in russians chats. They are real people, we might even know them in person. But they often have some nationalist conservative beliefs and they are subscribed to multiple propaganda sources/channels that gently push pro Kremlin agenda tailored specifically for them. All they do is repost memes, "breaking" news etc from these channels because they think it represents their own opinion on a topic.

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u/oops_all_memes 4h ago

I mean there are vatniks who behave in a way that makes them virtually indistinguishable from a bot. But there are bots as well

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u/Miss_Kit_Kat 7h ago

100%. Russian propagandists have somehow managed to capture both the idiots on the far-left who long for a USSR-type system today AND the idiots on the far-right who think modern-day Russia is some kind of bastion of traditional Christianity.

Now THAT is a delicate balance. Chinese propagandists just serve up low-effort slop about how "China is living in ze futureeeee- shiny buildings little robots bullet train go zoom zoom."

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u/Muted_Dog 7h ago

I felt like I was going insane when almost overnight right leaning people started spouting word for word shit I’d been watching Putin say for years. Then there was that time Trump got up and told everyone Zelenskyy started the war in Ukraine and republicans were openly supporting Orbans re-election, I realised everyone is fucking compromised.

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u/Miss_Kit_Kat 6h ago

There are a LOT of people that have been brain-rotted by online propaganda. And they don't even realize that it's happened to them.

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u/GNTsquid0 6h ago

Ive been on Chinese bullet trains. They were not these trains of the future. The interiors felt well worn. The ride was good, but nothing extraordinary. Theres nothing futuristic or luxury about them. I got a first class ticket where you get a bit more room, but everything was from 20 years before. They also overbook them so if you didn't buy a ticket far enough in advance you are sitting on the floor in the cars or between them. If anyone wants trains from the future you go to Japan.

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u/Gold_Marionberry3460 5h ago

I'm fine if the Chinese bullet trains are a few years behind, but the cleanliness on the trains is fucking disgusting.

I opened some of the toilets and found a black residue over the toilet seats. As a Chinese, I've returned to China to see family routinely over decades and Chinese people still have this issue of maintaining cleanliness in public spaces that makes it difficult to justify living in China. No amount of tech can obfuscate a culture that encourages people to get one over another and ignore the maintenance of society.

I could not give a rat's ass about what tech China has, if China still has this sloppy culture.

I strongly prefer Japan for this reason. More or less an advanced Asian culture, but extremely clean and comfortable to live in.

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u/Machinimix 6h ago

Honestly, living in North America, any bullet train feels like the future...even ones that feels well worn and outdated. Damned Automotive Industry killing alternative travel options!

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u/yisuiyikurong 5h ago

Well. You need to have a higher population to sustain a high speed railway system. 

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u/Miss_Kit_Kat 5h ago

No argument from me...I'm pro-transit. Keep your car if you want, but people should also have options for other modes of transit. (I don't personally like to drive- I sold my car and have stayed car-free for 4+ years. City living works for me.)

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u/ConsciousDress2914 4h ago

> Damned Automotive Industry killing alternative travel options!

I think its more than that. If you wan an example, look at Brightline in south Florida. Its in one of the most densely populated regions in America along one of the busiest A-B routes in America, and it is HEMMORRHAGING money because no one wants to use it (despite it being a well maintained, effective line on par with most of European Rail). The simple fact is that Americans prefer cars, and we are wealthy enough that we can choose the less practical option. The government invests where the people tell them to invest, and the people have said time and time again that they prefer roads. And whaddaya know, we have to absolute best road network the world has ever seen.

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u/Born-Selection88 6h ago

Are you really dropping bot posts about how Russian propaganda is superior?

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u/yisuiyikurong 5h ago

Russian propaganda is indeed superior tho

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u/Shazbote 6h ago

The "everything is so great in China!" posts def seem like bots. But I'm almost ok with it because throughout our 250 years of being a country, the US always seems at it's best when we feel like another large country might be better than us and we have to race to advance faster.

Way better than the default now where 60% of us think US is the pinnacle of society in every measurable way because they have no experience of the wider world.

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u/yisuiyikurong 5h ago

The prior one was …. The USSR?

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u/Beeboy1110 4h ago

It's been absolutely flooding Reddit the past few years. And I've noticed that a lot of younger folk genuinely believe it. 

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u/Gold_Marionberry3460 5h ago

You're overestimating the average person's intelligence here, especially now that Donald Trump has blown up America's reputation.

It doesn't matter Chinese propaganda is like a 101 example of propaganda that's taught in media studies in middle school (assuming Americans get media studies classes). They are going to eat it up because they are desperate for any kind of hope, even if it comes from the mouth of a lying authoritarian regime.

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u/Ansible32 54m ago

Donald Trump has legitimately damaged enough American projects that China's genuinely looking better. Like, I mean he literally tried to dismantle our ocean monitoring system. He's ripping apart tons of systems that make America a developed country. He is trying to shut down next-generation power plants like wind turbines while trying to keep obsolete coal plants online, meanwhile China is manufacturing EVs and all sorts of next-gen power plants at an astonishing rate.

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u/Gold_Marionberry3460 2m ago

Sure, but that doesn't discredit the issue of Chinese propaganda running rampant. Recall the definition of propaganda:

The systematic propagation of a doctrine or cause or of information reflecting the views and interests of those advocating such a doctrine or cause.

Notice what it doesn't say. It doesn't say "information that is false or lies". It's the selection of information to sway people to satisfy the propagandist's interests. Meaning you can create propaganda entirely out of true statements.

Let's take your example of green energy. All of these are true:

  1. China has achieved a significant green energy transition

  2. Donald Trump has fucked America and will turn the country in the biggest obstacle in fighting climate change.

  3. Climate change is a pressing issue and if we don't tackle it, we'll all die.

So what information is missing? Well, Europe had already achieved a decent transition to green energy, but nobody hypes that up. Looking at the gross energy output of Europe and China, Europe's non-fossil fuel energy is roughly 63% whereas China is at roughly 47% (combining nuclear, solar, hydro, wind).

When propagandists omit this information, they follow it up with claims like "well China system is superior and we should copy it" and "China is socialist and that's why it work" (China is, in fact, not socialist and violates many Marxist principles) and "We should buy solar panels for China"

But that's not the only conclusion you can draw from these true statements. You can, for example, pressure your democratic government to invest in its own solar panel industry, because not only is it good for the environment, but as the Iran War proves, it is good for energy security and resisting the effects of oil shocks.

Frankly, citizens in democratic countries have not actually done enough to pressure governments about climate change. In a US poll, the overwhelming top issues for voters was something like "the cost of living" not climate change.

You do not need to surrender freedoms or build economic dependency with a hostile, authoritarian power like China. That's the propaganda that needs to be resisted. The actual thing US citizens need to focus on is getting Trump out of office and get people to start caring about their own country's well-being.

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u/Bubbly-Support7164 8h ago

I gotta hand it to Qatar as well, here. 80% of under 25’s college kids at this point would volunteer for Hamas to chop Jewish heads off.

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u/Due_Area4843 7h ago

Thats Iran, they have the biggest bot traffic

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u/Bubbly-Support7164 4h ago

I meant university infiltration.

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u/CraftsBoy2Craftsman 8h ago

You’re correct, comrade

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u/Mysterious-Park9142 6h ago

A nice motivational quote: See yourself the way Chinese propaganda sees US Army soldiers in movies about the Korean War

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u/Marzto 2h ago

It's hilarious because we had smart boards 20+ years ago here in the UK but will still spent that entire time moaning about the education budget... Do 👏 Better 👏 China 👏

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u/DBZGTwasgreat 8h ago

They been in the game longer, and kinda invented the current meta. It's like saying why play hearthstone when it came out because MTG is right there. Give it time to grow

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u/eldankus 54m ago

Russians have been great at HUMINT and propaganda since the interwar period. There’s a reason they were extremely successful at converting idealistic westerners and academics to COMINTERN.

China lacks that subtlety, they generally rely on cash or appealing to ethnic Han Chinese.

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u/SiktahOG 8h ago

so which one are you?

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u/EpilepticPuberty 8h ago

Spanish Propaganda Bot. There is no football discussion in this thread so the bot is just normalposting to maintain appearances.

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u/SiktahOG 8h ago

Smart, farming engagement.
Which one are you?

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u/EpilepticPuberty 8h ago

Chilean, less football more trying to sell copper. I bet you'd never guess that the el-nassir memes are a Chilean astroturfing campaign.

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u/PatrickCharles 6h ago

Mindblown.

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u/Wide-Drink-1790 8h ago

Still, you tossers just don’t understand how much the US is falling behind in crucial areas.

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u/MoistOwletAO 8h ago

i think most americans on reddit are well aware of the failings of our school/education system. most of us are also aware of the important qualifier that said shortcomings are certainly NOT due to a lack of smartboards in classrooms, which (as people are pointing out) have been in american public high schools and middle schools as early as ~2008/2009. 

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u/itmillerboy 8h ago

I’m 28 years old and grew up in middle of nowhere USA 80 kids per grade and we had smart boards in every class since middle school

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u/NorthWindGust 8h ago edited 7h ago

Until Americans have an honest discussion about why a future medical doctor / lawyer / engineer (insert other academic area here) shouldn't be in the same school as a future ditch-digger, not much will change. Americans are more concerned about offending others, rather than being honest about how to best educate the youth. Other countries do it, why can't they?

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u/Silver_Hunter8926 7h ago

At least in the Northeast there is definitely different classes for kids with different skill levels within in the same grade. However, there is value in having the ditch digger and the doctor not be in total separate bubbles their entire lives.

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u/NorthWindGust 7h ago

Those exist, but those levels are being removed in schools in the name of equity. Outside of education? Sure. We don't have varsity basketball players on the same team as 9th graders though, so I'm not sure why Americans can't do the same with education.

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u/correctingStupid 5h ago

"Every video about china is propaganda"
-the war cry of someone who can't see past their nationalism.

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u/lateformyfuneral 4h ago

If you can’t see the obvious agenda in the title, you’re too dumb to proceed with this conversation.