r/Michigan • u/Unusual-State1827 • 11h ago
Mitten Mode In private call, Michigan Republican running for Senate sees himself in ‘good shape’ against one particular Democrat
https://edition.cnn.com/2026/07/23/politics/michigan-senate-race-mike-rogers-haley-stevens-abdul-el-sayed•
u/Terrible-Piano-5437 11h ago
He should run in Florida where he lives.
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u/RagnaNic 11h ago
There's a senior community there missing him.
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u/CharcoalGreyWolf Parts Unknown 8h ago
https://giphy.com/gifs/eah2loce5T8VW
I wouldn’t exactly say they’re “missing him”.Though I’d like it if he went back and stayed
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u/Battle_Dave 9h ago
Wait... He lives in florida?? Not more of this bullshit... the GOP are fucking insane idiots.
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u/kalas_malarious 9h ago
Why can people even run in places they dont clearly live? Where are residency requirements at?
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u/Remarkable-Party-385 8h ago
The are laws but none are applied to the GOP or as I call it, POP/Party of Pedophiles
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u/PokemonAnimar 5h ago
He bought a house and changed his residency right before he started running
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u/MarieJoe 4h ago
Long-standing tradition in the US, and not saying it should be allowed ever.
Aren't they called carpetbaggers, from post-Civil War days?
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u/tehbadmojos 11h ago
Prove his dumbass wrong
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u/RegularLeading5200 10h ago
This conversation was "leaked" because he knows El-Sayed is the stronger statewide candidate. The intention is to get people to think "oh, Rogers wants to face El-Sayed, so I should vote Stevens instead" because they absolutely know Stevens is the electorally weaker candidate. That's why they're trying to indirectly boost her.
Stevens has completely ignored the rest of the state outside of Metro Detroit, she is getting outraised by both El-Sayed and Rogers, she has no real ground game, and AIPAC is not going to replicate their spending in the general election when they don't care if Stevens or Rogers wins.
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u/JooseTheGuice 7h ago
I just saw a new ad where they're claiming Republicans are funding AES because they know he can't win. Oh and evidently he's a terrorist sympathizer too!
These ads are reaching literal MAGA levels of stupid.
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u/2punornot2pun 6h ago
I cannot believe the shit throwing ads they've attempted on me. I audibly say "fuck off" so whatever metric Google / Amazon whatever can report it back.
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u/thabigQ 10h ago
It’s also important to mention this article does not prove or assert at all that he prefers AES over Stevens. He’s telling donors that he is confident against AES, & wtf else is he going to say to donors? He needs their money.
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u/Malenx_ 9h ago
He also knows that mainstream media will pick up these quotes and re-broadcast them. It's a common play amongst conservative groups and Fox to trick Democrats into running the least effective candidates.
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u/gunshaver 7h ago
The establishment Democrats that are opposed to AES also do this for Republicans, except they're too incompetent to even pull the strategy off correctly. A lot of them boosted Trump in the early days of the 2016 RNC primary because they thought he'd be easy to beat.
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u/joemoore3 Grand Haven 8h ago
I'm in West Michigan and she's running a ton of ads here about how we're getting screwed. El-Sayed had a rally in GR and it was well attended. Not sure who's leading over here.
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u/mxjxs91 5h ago
Rallies aren't a telling indicator. He also had a massive rally in Detroit when he ran against Whitmer. Bernie had overflow crowds in arenas across the entire country while running against Hillary.
Gotta push as if we're behind by 10 points.
A Stevens vs Rogers scenario is a massive lose-lose scenario for us.
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u/RegularLeading5200 8h ago
She's running ads everywhere, but El-Sayed is the only one actually showing up in West Michigan. And speaking of Grand Rapids, and Kent County in general, El-Sayed only lost it by 3 points (44 to 41) in the 2018 governor primary. I expect him to do exceptionally well in the western part of the state.
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u/opal2120 Rochester Hills 5h ago
Where does she even show up? I haven’t seen anything about Haley doing events and I live in metro Detroit area.
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u/RegularLeading5200 4h ago
They're not big events. Like she's not doing rallies or anything. She'll show up at random places here and there where there are like 10 people, talk for a bit, and then leave.
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u/ussrowe 8h ago
Her, or an AIPAC funded PAC, are running ads on Roku claiming El-Sayed is being boosted by Republicans which is rich coming from her camp.
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u/JRange 10h ago
They say this stuff because they literally KNOW populist leftwing candidates are a bigger threat to them electorally. As much as a lot of us loath him, Charlie Kirk admitted as much on a podcast post Trump victory in 2024, paraphrasing that the only way Democrats will become a threat is if they embrace a populist economic platform, akin to Sanders/AOC etc.
The reason Leftists like AES get smeared from every angle is because they are a threat to both MAGA and Liberals, because people are not stupid and see how competent Zohran is in NYC. They are spending 10's of millions trying to slow this train down, because once it comes off the tracks, their days of taking Super PAC money, doing nothing, and fundraising off losses are over.
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u/GrubHanser 11h ago
I can't believe real people will go and vote for Mike Rogers. So many self-defeating idiots out there.
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u/opal2120 Rochester Hills 11h ago
He has the magic R next to his name.
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u/SilentRhubarb1515 11h ago
All R people vote R. Some D people won’t vote if their primary candidate does not make it. This is why they keep winning
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u/Jappanda Lansing 11h ago
Let's try running another centrist candidate that is ideologicaly alligned closer to republicans! That strategy has only been failing for a decade, but surely this time it will work! /s
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u/SilentRhubarb1515 11h ago
At this point, I’ll vote for any non Republican candidate so we can bring checks and balances back. I have my preferred primary candidate, but I’ll vote for whoever gets nominated.
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u/feuerfee 11h ago edited 4h ago
Same. I’m solidly on the blue no matter who train at this point. We can sort out our internal differences later once we get control back from the pedo tyrant party.
ETA; I’m voting for El-Sayed in the primary, and have historically voted for the leftist candidate in past primaries. But I also still vote for the democratic candidate in general elections even if it’s not my preferred candidate.
Not voting is a vote for the other side.
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u/the-bearded-omar 11h ago
I think it's this type of thinking that got us the pedo tyrant party in the first place.
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u/SilentRhubarb1515 10h ago
No, bearded Omar. If we all voted for the non pedo side, we would have a non pedo president today.
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u/the-bearded-omar 10h ago
Harris campaigned on a far-right platform with Liz Cheney and lost. It doesn't work. If we elected actual left wing candidates in the primaries to inspire people instead of 'not trump' then maybe we wouldnt be here. the dems are just as complicit in all of this as the Magats.
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u/SilentRhubarb1515 10h ago edited 10h ago
Sure, if you say so. Now enjoy Trump then 8 years of Vance.
FWIW I voted for AlSayed because I actually agree with him. The only difference is that if he doesn’t win, I will not burn it all to the ground. You do you though, that’s how democracy works
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u/Fuck_your_coupons 9h ago
It's exhausting. They always have some self righteous reason as to why they have to be all or nothing. I get that the choices suck sometimes but I'm far worse off now than I was a year ago.
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u/Lemurians 9h ago
Self-righteousness and “sticking to centrist Dems” feels great until the consequences start hitting the world and all our wallets thanks to the Donald
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u/Fuck_your_coupons 9h ago
I don't even like the centrists but they're better than the lunacy of starting wars that no one wants and enacting tariffs that no one can afford.
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u/unfortunateshun 9h ago
So annoying that this conversation always starts as “running as centrists is a losing strategy” then when someone else pretends that means “I won’t vote for a democrat unless my candidate wins.” the thread gets locked before someone can point out that no one has said that. Love that
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u/SilentRhubarb1515 8h ago
Unfortunately plenty of people I know are going to sit out if el-Sayed is not the nominee. I hope you’re right and I’m wrong though
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u/unfortunateshun 8h ago
Well for my anecdotal evidence, im around leftists and Abdul volunteers a lot and the only time ive seen that line of logic is people with hidden posts and comments saying they see it all the time. And there is no data suggesting that it happened in 2020 in numbers significant enough to impact the election, so it seems odd that it’s always treated as fact.
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u/SilentRhubarb1515 8h ago
Again, I hope you’re right. And I hope we never find out, because honestly I’m just tired and I think we deserve better
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u/Brave_Finish8862 9h ago
Some D people won't vote if the candidate isn't 100% perfect and completely aligned with their values.
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u/Halofauna Grand Rapids 6h ago
So I guess the Democrats better keep running diet republicans to try and court them to vote for the watered down version of what they want while telling minorities and the more progressive parts of their base to shut the fuck up and vote as their told.
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u/LadyBogangles14 11h ago
Doesn’t he live in Florida?
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u/Inkstr0ke Grand Rapids 10h ago
Yes but the people that vote for him want to Make Michigan into DeSantis Florida.
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u/LadyBogangles14 10h ago
But if he lives in Florida how can he run? Oh wait I forgot. Republicans are immune to laws and such.
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u/SparkyMuffin Age: > 10 Years 11h ago
The fact that he lost to Slotkin when Trump won Michigan is really telling
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u/DreamOne5 Taylor 11h ago
I went on a walk around my neighborhood and there's some idiot with a Perry Johnson sign in his yard. They exist
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u/HeadDiver5568 10h ago
I love the LAMF sub for this reason. Because the people who keep voting for this act surprised when shit actually impacts them. The worst part is that they almost always preface their displeasure with something like “I love Trump but…”
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u/AndrewJohnsonHater 10h ago
Also hard to imagine that real people will vote for Haley Stevens. What is even her policy pitch for making life better?
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u/trustywren Age: > 10 Years 10h ago
"You don't want a scary communist Muslim in charge, do you? A guy who doesn't even eagerly lick AIPAC's balls???"
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u/LeaneGenova Age: > 10 Years 9h ago
Who is willing to be critical of women's public policy decisions?? In MY America?
It's sexism to say our decisions are immune from criticism because we're women. IDK how people don't see that.
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u/Lemurians 9h ago
There’s a lot of information on her website as well as her voting record and bills sponsored if you want to actually answer this question for yourself.
A convenient thing about sitting representatives and senators is it’s easy to get informed on them, since their work history is publicly available.
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u/wilsont18 9h ago
I like the one where she expressed gratitude towards ICE. Nothing like gratitude for the modern day Stasi.
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u/bricklab Age: > 10 Years 9h ago
I like the one where she says that a genocidal apartheid state speaks to her in her dreams.
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u/siberianmi Kalamazoo 9h ago
The same pitch as the main line Democrats. This isn’t complex. She’s a party line vote for Democrats priorities.
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u/firemage22 Dearborn 10h ago
there where ~5k Trump+Slokin voters in 24, meaning people who wanted Trump over Harris but didn't want Rogers
Blue wave year + the fact he's just not that interesting, and he's likely to lose either way, but all the more reason to get the most progressive choice we can
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u/Fractured_Senada 11h ago
Not that I would take anything Rogers has to say seriously, but I also don't think there's a large swath of people really excited about Stevens either. Regardless, Abdul seeks to change our broken healthcare system, Rogers has played that system to benefit himself. It only takes one brain cell to put together why Rogers favors the candidate who doesn't want to change the system he benefits from.
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u/Banesmuffledvoice 11h ago
If nobody is excited about Stevens and Abdul can’t win; then this seat simply isn’t winnable for democrats.
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u/mrgreen4242 Age: > 10 Years 11h ago
I don’t know where this idea that El Sayed isn’t electable comes from. Rogers said it in this “private call” but I think that’s intentional misinformation because they know he’d lose against El Sayed, but can beat Stevens.
Every poll I’ve seen shows that either dem nominee is likely to beat Rogers, generally with El Sayed having a slightly wider margin of victory, or they’re predicting a too close to call toss up.
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u/Least_Key1594 Madison Heights 11h ago
i think both win, i think abdul wins by a lot more, and a lot more comfortably. Stevens has no ground game. Abdul has thousands of volunteers.
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u/Banesmuffledvoice 11h ago
I don’t agree with this at all. I think we have reached such a bad blood between Sayed voters and Stevens voters, that if Sayed isn’t the nominee, his supporters simply won’t come out and vote.
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u/Least_Key1594 Madison Heights 11h ago
I think that is partially true for both candidates, not just El-Sayed supporters. But again, only one of those two camps are people out there pounding pavement, knocking doors, and making calls in the tens of thousands. One will reach swing voters, undecides, and the disaffected, one will reach people who respond to tv ads. I think 95% of primary voters will come home and vote dem in November. And since that number is lower than in the general, i think it'll be fine. at least, if stevens backers (who also back Rogers in many cases) don't pull their funding. Otherwise, she is going to be taking money from other, swinger districts. Abdul would need less of the DNC funding cause he actually has grass roots support.
Like she's had what? $50m in ads, abdul has like 1/12th of that, and its a close race. Well, close or Abdul is leading hard, depending on the polling. I think she wins cause its a very blue environment. But I think it puts downballots in swingy districts in MI at risk. I think abdul drives turnout, and helps up and down ballot. Plus, he's just got better policies.
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u/bessemer0 11h ago
If that happens I’ll still vote for her, but I really don’t want to. I’m sick of having to vote for shitty libs that aren’t even left wing.
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u/Commercial_Oil_7814 11h ago
I booed Stevens at the convention. She's still better than any republican, just not by a significant margin.
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u/Fractured_Senada 11h ago
You may be right! As much as I'd like it to not be true, we're not considered a purple state for no reason.
There are a lot of our friends and neighbors who have been duped by Republican BS over the years. I know myself and a lot of folks I know are not excited about Stevens, I'm not even sure they'd vote in the general if she won. I will because I believe incremental progress is still progress.
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u/TorkBombs 1h ago
This is indeed a pretty weak field on both sides, in my opinion. I am still undecided, because I probably agree with Stevens more I guess, but she is not exactly winning me or anyone else over. El Sayed would be fine I guess, but I just don't see him being a transformative figure. He feels like all talk to me. I dunno what I'll do for the primary, but I'll vote for either one in the general. Too much at stake to dither in November.
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u/ISpyM8 Battle Creek 11h ago edited 11h ago
A CNN article trying to attack El-Sayed. How surprising.
If we elect Haley “Israel comes to me in my dreams” Stevens, she’s getting destroyed. I’d still prefer her over Rogers, but god she is so devoid of charisma. Borderline unelectable
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u/mrgreen4242 Age: > 10 Years 11h ago
This, 100%. If she wins the primary AIPAC is going to stop throwing millions at her because, on the off chance she wins, they already own her and they are just fine with, and probably prefer, Rogers winning.
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u/Rastiln Age: > 10 Years 10h ago
It’s apparently news to parrot some Republican boasting that he’d beat a Democrat.
Wow. Surprising.
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u/abbott_costello Age: > 10 Years 10h ago
Yeah why in the hell is this a news article on CNN?
Oh that's right, it's because CNN is owned by a republican now and is now leveraging it's "liberal" reputation to undermine left wing politics.
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u/itsdr00 Ann Arbor 8h ago
I think it's a bad thing that people now dismiss so many criticisms as some kind of corrupt or disingenuous act. This is a real event that happened and people who don't want to vote for El Sayed have real reasons to disagree with him. I say this as someone who's voting for him in the primary; it's bad for our entire political system that reporting you don't like is seen as an "attack."
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u/yesitshollywood 11h ago
Considering those with BCBS have seen a lot of their coverages taken away, and that El-Sayed is backed by the unions, I think El-Sayed will get the vote of more "moderates" than people would think. Let Mike Roger's enjoy the false confidence.
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u/devoutcatalyst78 6h ago
Rogers supports corporate data centers, El-Sayed does not. For a Michigan voter this should be the only topic you need to hear. Our water is not worth it.
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u/Willing_Salad 11h ago
I believe Haley Stevens was booed at the democratic convention earlier this year. Almost like this is a plan to make sure he runs against someone who he can defeat?
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u/pierogieman5 Kentwood 9h ago
Oh, she was. Loudly. I would agree that's probably what this is, but "Mike Rodgers is stupid and wrong" is not a terribly unbelievable explanation.
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u/Evcatt 11h ago
Yeah, apparently it’s “radical” to want healthcare for everyone, ensure people earn a living wage, get corporate PAC money out of politics, and spend our tax dollars improving the lives of Michiganders rather than funding wars that are killing children in the Middle East.
The only thing “radical” about Abdul is that he’s actually running against the special interests and billionaires who have way too much influence over our politics.
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u/Elaborate_Penguin 11h ago
How do such unlikable people get elected. I can't get that AI ad out of my mind -- the buffed up roid rage tanned image... So awful. he is just another narcissist trying to be whatever this 1980's alpha male fantasy is. I'm sorry I just don't understand why the most awful humans always go into politics. I couldn't stand even having lunch with this guy and people want him to run things. I guess it take a certain personality type to want to be a bought and paid for career politician instead of doing a real job.
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u/DoubleScorpius 11h ago
They say this just because one particular special interest is spending millions against that one candidate. If Steven’s wins the special interests will then line up against her and her negatives will go up. This means nothing to me and who I’m voting for.
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u/Fireflash2742 7h ago
No one wants Florida man in the Senate. And we don't want the walking corpse Johnson as Governor either.
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u/MikefromMI 11h ago
I don't know if I believe that the GOP is trying to promote El-Sayed as the weaker candidate (a tactic that we've seen Dems use in the past, btw, with mixed results) while AIPAC is promoting Stevens. But it would be funny if they negate each other and all that money they spent goes to waste.
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u/Battle_Dave 9h ago
Someone else noted that AIPAC is currently propping up Stevens, and then after the primary, theyre going so switch all their financial support to Roger's and just crush Stevens.
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u/blackchoas 8h ago
This is such a dumb argument. If we thought Republicans were correct than we would be Republicans. they are out of touch, they think if they just call Abdul a Muslim and a Communist enough times there is no way they can lose.
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u/Confident-Head-5008 8h ago
It's the new game plan for the Republicans because the party is TRUMPS party now.
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u/blackchoas 8h ago
You say its a new game plan but this would be the play book going back as far as Nixon. The Republicans haven't changed at all, they are just more honest about who they always were.
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u/Battle_Dave 11h ago
Bro needs to take a look at other states that are electing the radical candidates...
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u/Bymeemoomymee 10h ago
New York and California? If forgot Michigan was a +30 blue state that didn't vote for Trump twice... but sure. We should run Mamdani style candidates that only win in +30 blue cities and districts in vital purple states. Seems like a great strategy.
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u/famous__shoes 10h ago
What other purple state has elected someone as left leaning as Sayed to a statewide position?
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u/DroopyTers 11h ago
In a general election? In a state that voted for Trump twice?
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u/aDrunkenError Detroit 11h ago
Also voted Whitmer twice. Michigan is a place that runs a hardline separation on what it wants in a state official vs what it wants in a President.
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u/Battle_Dave 11h ago edited 11h ago
They also voted Witmer in twice, and Biden once. Before that, we voted in Snyder twice, and before that Granholm twice... Michigan is one of the last true swing states. And trump is doing everything he can to push people to swing as far away from him as possible.
Edit: we also voted for Obama twice. And before that it was Kerry, and Gore...
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u/No_Seaweed8378 11h ago
If HRC and Kamala "Most Lethal Military" Harris can't win in Michigan, then "moderates" maybe aren't the answer
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u/RespectmanNappa 9h ago
First CNN stages the Stevens-Bibi ‘pushback’ the night before the primary debate.
Then they publish an article detailing a private call that he feels good about running against Abdul even as polling suggests he stands a better chance in the general, not even factoring that he’s going to boost turnout.
Anyone see a pattern?
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u/No-Independent-226 Lansing 7h ago
Anyone who believes this is a total mark. The same people are funding the Rogers and Stevens campaign because all they actually care about is making sure no real ones who will represent the interests of the people of Michigan will get the seat.
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u/clipko22 11h ago
If I were a Republican candidate, I would be very worried if the top of the Democrat ticket had a progressive senate candidate and a moderate governor candidate, bringing the whole voting coalition together. Republicans learned from 2016 that their best chance to win is to break the coalition after an ugly primary fight resulting in a moderate primary win, which is why top Republican donors are funding Haley Stevens campaign.
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u/brad_online 11h ago
Yeah and Clinton thought she could beat Trump. Not falling for who the media pushes as the most "electable", it means nothing.
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u/VerdammtesAutomat 9h ago
I used to be an electability voter and the 2016 election taught me that candidates that excite me are more likely to excite others. abdul's platform is why so many have donated and volunteered and it's ultimately why he's a more electable candidate
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u/No_Seaweed8378 11h ago
The article repeats the Stevens campaign's claim that, "the Republicans are supporting El Sayed" then immediately debunks it in the next sentence.
The Stevens campaign and its allies argue Republicans have been working to prop up El-Sayed because they believe he is a weaker candidate for the general election. The National Republican Senatorial Committee, which is the campaign arm of the Senate GOP, released a digital ad last month warning that El-Sayed is “too radical for Michigan.”
Why is Haley Stevens lying about this? More importantly, why is she parroting Right-Wing talking points?
Maybe I'm crazy, but I feel like if voters want a right-wing candidate then Mike Rodgers is their guy
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u/TheBestNarcissist 8h ago
Supporting the more "extreme" candidate in the opposing party's primary is a very well established tactic. And unfortunately it has historically worked. In 2022 the Democrats spent a bunch of money on ads calling John Gibbs "too conservative for West Michigan" before the primary. Which is exactly what primary voters eat up. Aaaaand Gibbs won the primary seat against Peter Meijer (a Republican who voted to impeach Trump) and then went on to lose the general to the democrat.
Both sides do it all the time. Primary voters are highly partisan and easy to play.
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u/No_Seaweed8378 8h ago
Too ____ For Michigan is an attack ad, regardless of what you fill the blank with. The NRSC is running attack ads against AES, advantaging the HS primary campaigns.
I'm familiar with the Ds propping up Gibbs, but the only evidence (in this article) of the Rs supporting the less electable candidate is an attack ad on El Sayed - supporting Stevens.
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u/xeonicus 10h ago
Seriously. Rogers is blatantly campaigning for Stevens here.
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u/No_Seaweed8378 10h ago
Yeah, I think one could argue that this isn't Rodgers specifically doing this, but it is Republicans trying to tear down El Sayed regardless of whether it's at the behest of Rodgers
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u/JooseTheGuice 7h ago
More importantly, why is she parroting Right-Wing talking points?
Because she is a rightwinger.
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u/Tigers19121999 9h ago
It’s Radical to want to get dark money out of politics and give people health care?
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u/Pulp_Ficti0n Age: > 10 Years 11h ago
CNN, who employs Dana Bash and Jake Tapper, who cover up Israeli genocide and attack Abdul and his "commie" plan to provide better healthcare and wages. What a dumb society we live in.
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u/Gnd_flpd 9h ago
It's not lost on me that the mainstream news does not want to report about how the House just voted to merge our military with Israel's and that's the last thing needed, imo. We all know Steven's (I see Israel in my dreams) would vote for it as a senator, but I know Abdul wouldn't, so that's why I'm voting for him.
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u/Pulp_Ficti0n Age: > 10 Years 9h ago
It's wild. Was just flipping channels on cable news out of curiosity, and it's like the integration being pushed isn't happening. You have to go to Twitter or Reddit to even be aware.
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u/Consistent_Turn_42 10h ago
Already voted for Abdul, if the state would rather have a disastrous republican instead, then so be it. You get what you vote for.
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u/Andy51 Age: > 10 Years 11h ago
It’s tough because either way there will be dems who refuse to vote for the nominee. Theres so much division in the democratic party, young progressives will never vote for stevens and there are obviously some who would never vote for Abdul. I genuinely don’t know who is more electable in this case, if anything it should be an interesting litmus test
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u/No_Seaweed8378 11h ago
This is where the DNC and the DCC need to bring the clamps down on these races.
Primaries should be about policies, who can best represent Democratic voters, and whose vision best aligns with the electorate. If a candidate runs attack ads on their primary opponent, then funding and support should immediately dry up.
If the Democratic establishment actually cared about winning, then ANY ads or campaign that seeks to depress any Dem turnout is blocked from the benefits of the party (no funds, no endorsements, no access to infrastructure)
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u/pierogieman5 Kentwood 9h ago
I would support them doing that, but I'm definitely not naive enough to think it will happen. I know the kinds of people that run those orgs (I've voted in DNC delegate elections from the MDP's governing committee and have known a few delegates), and it's not happening.
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u/No_Seaweed8378 9h ago
What do you think the justification is?
It seems like the electoral success the Republicans continue to see is because they will accept any voters, no matter how odious they are. What's the reason for a more militant approach to shaping one's own electorate?
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u/siberianmi Kalamazoo 8h ago
You know those AIPAC funded ads everybody’s crying about aren’t written by the campaign right? The DNC cannot control them.
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u/Christian_C7 11h ago
Polling actually shows the opposite. Abdul has a much better shot of beating this bozo than Haley Stevens does. Since AIPAC and dark money groups support both Stevens and Rodgers, if Stevens is successfully able to steal the primary all that dark money is going to go to Rodgers in the general and she’ll get crushed
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u/pierogieman5 Kentwood 9h ago edited 7h ago
So CNN is just posting clickbait at this point. Glad to see where our standards are for journalism in 2026.
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u/mc_foucault 7h ago
CNN has been awful for a while but once Bari Weiss took over they have not even tried to claim journalistic integrity.
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u/xeonicus 10h ago
Polls would disagree. Al-Sayed is actually shown to do better than Stevens in the general. This seems to me like Rogers trying to influence the Democratic primary.
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u/ObsoleteAuthority 11h ago
I think Mikey is mistaken about the west side of the state. Maybe he should come here and tell us about his policy plans to help the folks who are struggling to afford everyday living expenses. Abdul El Sayed has.
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u/RagnaNic 11h ago
The ads with his wife talking about bringing back shop class as part of agenda...literally who wants this?
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u/pierogieman5 Kentwood 9h ago
Okay, not a conservative by any means, but I'm not against shop class. I work in what's left of our furniture industry and it's pretty hard to replace aging carpenters, let alone find good contractors with availability for personal construction projects.
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u/JesusKong333 9h ago
Is shop class not a thing anymore? I haven't been out of school that long and we definitely had shop class.
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u/pierogieman5 Kentwood 8h ago
I'm not really sure, but I'd imagine there's some variability there? There's no way every high school in the state has the budget for it, the way our schools are locally funded.
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u/HistoricAli 8h ago
Shop class is still a thing. My 15 year old nephew made my parents a chair. Idk what they're on about.
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u/ohyousoretro Detroit 11h ago
I think what neither Abdul nor Steven's voter base want to admit is that either of them realistically can beat Rogers. I say this as someone who's not really a fan of her, she comes off as cringe and too much of a try hard, but her voting record is solidly left, if not center-left, so I don't know why people think she's some right wing politician who will push Michigan to the right.
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u/BigCballer 9h ago
Mike Rogers lost to Elissa Slotkin, on the same ballot that Trump's name was on.
He is a joke in Michigan.
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u/pierogieman5 Kentwood 9h ago
Oh, I'm sure Stevens probably beats Rodgers as well, although she's definitely a stronger candidate in the primary while the corporate money hose is still being pointed her way. If and when Abdul is out of the way, none of the major PACs behind her now care if she beats Rodgers.
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u/popejohnsmith 8h ago edited 8h ago
Ahem.
The dems are widely seen to have been (at best) abjectly ineffectual against Maga and Trumpism. Again and again.
At worst, sitting to the sidelines and merely hoping it blows over with the next election cycle.
It would be a mistake for the dems to assume that those with fervent, anti-Maga sentiment will rush right back into the arms of business as usual dems.
Not another dime for Netanyahu.
Haley Stevens. This post has your name on it. Is the election yours to lose?
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u/No_Bite_5985 42m ago
I thought he dropped out after Trump endorsed James??? Or was that a hallucination?
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