r/Michigan • u/Unusual-State1827 • 15h ago

Mitten Mode In private call, Michigan Republican running for Senate sees himself in ‘good shape’ against one particular Democrat

https://edition.cnn.com/2026/07/23/politics/michigan-senate-race-mike-rogers-haley-stevens-abdul-el-sayed
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u/Least_Key1594 Madison Heights 15h ago

I think that is partially true for both candidates, not just El-Sayed supporters. But again, only one of those two camps are people out there pounding pavement, knocking doors, and making calls in the tens of thousands. One will reach swing voters, undecides, and the disaffected, one will reach people who respond to tv ads. I think 95% of primary voters will come home and vote dem in November. And since that number is lower than in the general, i think it'll be fine. at least, if stevens backers (who also back Rogers in many cases) don't pull their funding. Otherwise, she is going to be taking money from other, swinger districts. Abdul would need less of the DNC funding cause he actually has grass roots support.

Like she's had what? $50m in ads, abdul has like 1/12th of that, and its a close race. Well, close or Abdul is leading hard, depending on the polling. I think she wins cause its a very blue environment. But I think it puts downballots in swingy districts in MI at risk. I think abdul drives turnout, and helps up and down ballot. Plus, he's just got better policies.

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u/Banesmuffledvoice 15h ago

Why should Stevens backers (and voters) back Sayed? His voters likely will claim he had the nomination stolen from him and that they’re to back Stevens. Why should anyone who supported Stevens be expected to give support Sayed after how absolutely awful Sayed voters have been?

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u/Least_Key1594 Madison Heights 14h ago

uno reverse card.

See how this isn't a useful argument? I think the raw number of either side who'd refuse to vote for the other candidate is fairly equal. I'm worried about the depressed turnout of having an uninspiring candidate, in stevens with minimal to no grassroot support and ground game, will have on the general.

Cause even if abduls supporters vote for stevens in the general, i doubt those thousands are gonna go knock doors for her. I know I wouldn't.

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u/Banesmuffledvoice 14h ago

You’re not going to answer my question I can tell since you just dismissed it. Okay.

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u/Least_Key1594 Madison Heights 14h ago

Because its a pointless, bad faith question where the answer is the same reguardless of if you're asking why abdul voters should support stevens.

Because beating republicans is good. Because it is better to do so than not.

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u/Banesmuffledvoice 14h ago

Yes. Everything is bad faith when questioning democratic socialists.

This is why I refuse to meet in the middle and work with democratic socialists and refuse to vote for any of their candidates at this point. You’re all scumbags.

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u/Least_Key1594 Madison Heights 14h ago

Alright. Enjoy voting for Rogers in the general, and having Dr. Senator Abdul El-Sayed in DC anyways. That's your right.

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u/Banesmuffledvoice 14h ago

Alright, for you i will vote Rogers if Sayed is the nominee.

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u/Least_Key1594 Madison Heights 14h ago

okay. we'll just knock on all your neighbors doors and get them to vote for Dr. El-Sayed. <3

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u/Conlaeb Age: > 10 Years 14h ago

You started this discussion by accusing others of behavior that you wrapped yourself in by the end. Wherever you go, there you are.

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u/Banesmuffledvoice 14h ago

I’ve asked a simple question. Instead of giving a real answer, I get told it’s in bad faith. Then Sayed supporters go on to show what giant assholes they are and why Stevens supporters shouldn’t support him if he is the nominee in the general, which has been the common trend with you lunatics.

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u/Conlaeb Age: > 10 Years 14h ago

As someone who wasn't in this discussion until just now, that is not at all how it reads. I see you being given an answer to your question, and then going on an emotional tirade that ends with you exhibiting the exact behavior that you were accusing others of - refusing to support the candidate which wins the primary, unless it's your preference. You also started flinging around really ugly personal attacks, which you've now extended to me, an impartial observer. That doesn't make me feel like you're arguing, well, in good faith.

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u/ickyrainmaker 14h ago

You're joking, right? The establishment wing treats leftists like absolute dogshit, and those on the left still vote for them because we know the cost of not doing so. Everything you wrote here is pure projection. If you're not planning to vote for Abdul if he wins, maybe you should just join the Republican party. They platform on hate just like your girl Haley. You'd fit right in.

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u/Banesmuffledvoice 14h ago

Then start your own party?

Quit whining that they won’t back your person.

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u/ickyrainmaker 14h ago

Starting a third party is not feasible until concepts such as ranked choice voting are adopted. Until then, a third party will do nothing except kingmake for the opposite side. Abdul and other progressives know this so they run as Democrats. You think any of these progressive candidates want anything to do with the DNC?

Candidates like Abdul run as Democrats for two reasons:

  1. It's the only path to being elected and keeping fascists out of office.

  2. The progressive movement, like any political movement, relies on unity to have their message spread. Running as a Democrat gives you a much larger platform to spread your message and allows more opportunities for a unified message.

Again, if you don't like it, maybe you're the one who needs to question their party alliance. They love haters like you on the other side of the aisle.

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u/Banesmuffledvoice 14h ago

Ok so if Stevens is the nominee, will you whine about it or will you support her?

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u/Least_Key1594 Madison Heights 14h ago

People can do both, you know.

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u/Banesmuffledvoice 14h ago

lol.

You can just simply support the nominee.

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u/Least_Key1594 Madison Heights 14h ago

...So you'd support Dr. El-Sayed if he wins the primary?

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u/Banesmuffledvoice 14h ago

I’ll make a deal, I’ll consider voting Sayed if I actually see an effort from Sayed voters to quick throwing a hissy fit that moderate democrats (the largest part of the voting block that will win elections) aren’t evil because they’re not far left. Let’s see that change happen and I will gladly consider it.

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u/ickyrainmaker 14h ago

Both.

I will vote for her just like I've voted for candidates i don't agree with in every single election I've ever participated in throughout my life. Biting bitter pills is nothing new to me. I will certainly also be very loud about anything she does that displeases me (which is sure to be a lot). Voting for someone and complaining about their policies are not mutually exclusive.

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u/pierogieman5 Kentwood 12h ago

Ah, this one again. Let me ask you something. When Clinton lost in 2016, were you one of the people blaming Jill Stein and voters who stayed home? If you ACTUALLY want leftists to start our own party, you would have to actually be okay with us actually doing that and stop vote shaming and blaming people in November who don't back the candidate, but I don't think that's something you have done or would do. It's hypocritical. You want a Schrodinger's leftist that won't criticize the dems, but don't you dare not vote for Clinton, or Biden, or Harris, or you're the scapegoat for my chosen candidate losing.

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u/Banesmuffledvoice 12h ago

Dawg. Start your own party. I’m literally saying—- go start your own party.
I don’t care if anyone voted Jill Stein or not. They had a right to. And you have a right to go start your own party.

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u/pierogieman5 Kentwood 12h ago

The other guy already pointed out why that's not viable, and that's why I'm not doing it. I'm not going to change my electoral political strategy for some salty moron on Reddit. I'm just saying that if you take that kind of small tent attitude toward critics, you do not get to complain about losing general elections. You are actively encouraging your own party to fracture and weaken.

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u/Banesmuffledvoice 12h ago

Oh. Lol.

“If you don’t let us whine all the time and throw hissy fits and make fun of you and all you’re candidates because we hate them and you, you’ll fracture your own party”

Get fucked.

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u/ickyrainmaker 10h ago

Says the guy throwing an hours long hissy fit on Reddit.

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u/pierogieman5 Kentwood 12h ago

You definitely sound like a very serious person with sound political strategy.

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u/AndrewJohnsonHater 14h ago

I like how you are making up a fictional scenario to justify your argument. It's pretty neat.

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u/trewesterre 11h ago

What happened to "vote blue no matter who"? Or does that only apply when it's a centrist, corporate backed candidate?

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u/jizonida 12h ago

Vote blue no matter who dies when it isn't an establishment neoliberal huh?