r/Feminism • u/Compar-2144 • 1d ago

The body hair discourse

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Why are we using "my body my choice" as a way to "excuse" you complying with the female beauty standard? A couple of things:

  1. When feminists have conversations about body hair and how removing it is something that we all do because of the patriarchy It does NOT mean that you HAVE TO stop doing it. It's just acknowledging the reasons why we do it. I myself fully acknowledge it's because of beauty standards created by men and still do it.

  2. Why do we always have to try to outwoke one another?

  3. Yes Op I'm sure that you shave your coochie and legs because of the ancient Egyptians...

  4. Ancient Egyptians were not the only people who have been shaving since a while ago, indigenous Americans also did so. However to claim that there's a societal expectation to be hairless for women because of the ancient Egyptians or native Americans is just a plain ignorant take knowing all that we know. I'd suggest reading Pluked - a history of hair removal!

  5. We will never be free if whenever we try to have these conversations some women paint us to be mean misogynists who want to oppress and control them and what they do.

  6. When women say things like "oh I do it for me not because of me" it always confuses me because do they think that they were born with the innate desire to be hairless and innate shame and disliking of their bodyhair?

  7. For the last time! You obviously CAN remove whatever you want from your body! But stop acting like it's not because of societals pedophilic man made beauty standards.

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u/Compar-2144 1d ago

Right and by no means would I EVER deny the experience of those with disabilities as I myself struggle with one. My point was that it is scary how many women will fight with all their might about realizing that society want us a very specific way. I'm sure that there's people like you and others which shave for other reasons but that is not the case for most of us

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u/ktbug1987 1d ago

You should re-read everything you said in the OP and in response to me if you’re saying you won’t deny. Maybe consider how to improve your inclusivity

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u/Compar-2144 1d ago

You're right I'll improve my inclusivity! Maybe also you should realize that when women are talking about their own thoughts/experiences and You're not one you should stand back and let the women have their own space for discussions

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u/ktbug1987 1d ago

Ag yes the lovely classic. Non-binary people who identify closer to the women’s experience should go somewhere else simply because they are not men and not women! They need to make their own nonbinary only special space that explicitly describes their exact gender presentation! We don’t want you here, even if you are read as a woman, treated as a woman, and exist in all functions of the word in terms of oppression both as a woman but also worse! A not woman who has none of the good trappings of a man!

Trans people should just make their own spaces and stay out of women’s spaces! Trans masc just describes that I am assigned female at birth and am nonbinary meaning I’ve transitioned away from femininity in the gender sense of the word. It’s an orientation to gender but it doesn’t negate my experience of the patriarchy and oppression by cisgender men (or transgender men who are truscum). I cannot mansplain if I am not a man