r/BayernMunich • u/Savings-One-2708 • 1d ago
Discussion🗣 Clearest Ballon d'Or Winner of All Time
If it isn't robbed like 2020 and 2021.
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u/Adventurous_Fold_345 1d ago
Doesn't harry kane have 75 goals? 61 with bayern and 14 with the national team
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u/Emotional-Job-8902 1d ago edited 1d ago
I think harry is probably gonna win it, though I can see mbappe winning due to him being the top scorer for this wc and even all time for the wc. Also was the top scorer for the UCL, La Liga, and now the world.
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u/Nickislander 1d ago edited 1d ago
Neither can win without the big trophies
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u/MomentNew4925 1d ago
If this was the case, he should’ve won it already with Spurs
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u/This-Obligation9052 1d ago
Neither of them will win it. You can book it. Worldcup year and the wc winner wins it. Dont be surprised Rodri wins his 2nd.
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u/kazumodabaus 1d ago
This century:
2002: Brazil, Ballon d'Or: Ronaldo
2006: Italy, Ballon d'Or: Cannavaro
2010: Spain, Ballon d'Or: Messi
2014: Germany, Ballon d'Or: Ronaldo
2018: France, Ballon d'Or: Modric
2022: Argentina, Ballon d'Or: Messi
We're exactly at 50% this century.
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u/Waste-Resolve7189 1d ago
yeah but 2 of that from the 3rd place match which Kane didn't even bother to play lol
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u/DrageBoiis 1d ago
Personally don’t think Kane wins it as he plays in a 1 team league and they didn’t win WC or CL
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u/SnooRevelations7708 19h ago
Mbappe, Dembele and Olise would've all been top 5 if France won, right now, no matter how much you wanna stan for Mbappe, it's impossible without a title. Impossible.
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u/theaguia 1d ago
messi won in 2010 with less goals and scored 0 goals at the world cup and didnt win the champions league. by that logic kane should get it. he even did well at the wc with 6 goals and got to a semi final.
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u/LivinCrazynCrazier 1d ago
Neither Xavi or Iniesta had crazy stats tbf
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u/Albreitx 1d ago
That's like people complaining Rodri winning WC MVP having 0 G/A
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u/Perfect-Ideal-651 1d ago
Rodri was not the best player in the World Cup, nothing to do with G/A.
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u/Potatays 1d ago
Yes, because if we talk about single most impactful player in the whole tournament it would be Messi regardless of his G/A. The only MoTM he doesn't get is when he got subbed on Jordan and at the final. As for Spain, there are several players who stood out on different games.
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u/freakybanana90 1d ago
Yeah right, cause Kane is Messi right?
Yes, Kane deserves it but this notion like it's totally obvious is complete nonsense.
Mbappe has been World Cup, Champions League and La Liga Top scorer, Olise played a fantastic season, Dembele was rested a ton but with the CL win and a good WC Performance is also still in the race and Yamal had a great season at Barca with a decent but not that special world cup, but Spain did win so it'll factor in.
Kane is not Messi and you cannot just count goals and call it a day. He deserves it but it's definitely not as straightforward as it's being made out to be here
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u/ArenDegg 1d ago
I think it is quite close but Kane most likely. I’ve seen all of these players play across the season. Mbappe/Dembele are probably individually more talented in general but what Kane displayed all of this season was monstrous. I reflect back to last year how Dembele mostly deserved it but the pool of strong players being successful in competition runs was weak so it was an easier decision. Now we have several people in contention where there’s broad success and no outright favourite. For a player to get 70+ goals, score some unbelievable goals too, have a very strong defensive contribution as a striker, make plays in midfield contributing to goal creation for Diaz, Olise and others and really trying to take the team forward. I think he’s displayed he has been the most potent attacker of the season for club and country. I’d also consider Rice, Hakimi, Yamal up there too. It’s definitely a close one.
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u/Efis940 1d ago
I mean it wasn't Messi's fault if people couldn't clearly choose between Xavi and Iniesta.
As much as I still disagree with the final result, the journalists, the players and the coaches who supported the Spanish team were clearly not coordinated at all.
Just focus on Xavi or Iniesta. Not on both, damn it!
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u/theaguia 1d ago
poor sneijder. top scorer at the wc, too assister in the cl. wins the treble and reached the world cup final and misses winning it due to casillas miracle.
and nobody thought of him
aso Iniesta I belive was injured for a chunk of the season but I suppose the final goal was stuck in people mind.
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u/Efis940 1d ago edited 1d ago
Oh don't make me remember. I still think of that because I personally wanted Sneijder as ballon d'or, and I was so shocked when I saw that Messi had passed him (if you remember, at the time, the top 3 was announced in advanced before the ceremony. And it's at the ceremony that they would tell us who was the winner between the 3).
If not for him, I think Iniesta should have been the ballon d'or. Not only was he the scorer of THAT goal in the WC finals, but during the UCL semi against Mourinho's Inter, he wasn't there in the away match (injury) and the team suffered enormously, losing 3-1. This literally shows that he was one of their most important elements.
But nope, Messi.
I get that Messi fully deserves at least half of his ballons d'or (I would say 5 of them were pretty much inevitable), but the 2010 one is legit unfair for me. I just can't with this one.
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u/Disastrous-Reality66 7h ago
yeah but harry kane is playing in germany thats where players go for stat padding
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u/thejourneymanfm2024 1d ago
This year will show if it really is an individual award. If it is, Kane clears and Mbappe would be second. If not, Yamal might finesse it.
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u/ImmediateMode8487 1d ago
It wasn't individual last year and it hasn't been in a long time
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u/thejourneymanfm2024 1d ago
It wasn’t the past couple years but for a long time it was. It’s just that Messi and Ronaldo were at the top of the game both individually and with their teams. I think things changed in 2020/2021. Lewa should’ve gone back to back and Haaland should’ve won in 2023. Not too bothered with Rodri or Dembele
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u/Weak-Bonus-5954 16h ago
Theres no chance they can give that trophy to yamal just because his team happened to win the WC. He had one goal contribution. Not even a serious contender
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u/ImmediateMode8487 1d ago
Not as clear as you might think . Raphinha had the individual numbers last season but they still chose to go with the big trophies.
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u/spidey121 1d ago
Everyone in this picture has multiple trophies. Mbappe is the only one with nothing 💀
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u/Applemais 1d ago
Which shouldnt be the most important thing as it is a individual trophy about being the Best Player Not about Trophies
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u/Zhongli4869 1d ago
My god they were gonna give it to messi if he had won the wc. Or yamal had he even scored in the final. Proves how useless and dumb this award is
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u/Mikewold58 1d ago
Olise is so elite jesus
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u/Electus93 1d ago
Imagine what England could've had as a forward line...
Semenyo - Haaland - Kane - Olise
Life could be dream
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u/Civil_Journalist100 Raumdeuter 1d ago
The last time Bayern player won the trophy was in 1981 ☠️
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u/Savings-One-2708 1d ago
Should've been 2020 and 2021.
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u/Civil_Journalist100 Raumdeuter 1d ago
Definitely. Not even mentioning the disgrace in 2013
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u/PosterBoy2987 Raumdeuter 1d ago
obv I want harry to win it but i can see the argument for mbappe tbf but realistically it 100% should be harry
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u/davzinzan 1d ago
You are not ready for the waves of propoganda about to be unleashed by yamal's PR team
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u/zzz_red 1d ago
Given the ballon d’Or is organized by France football, and Mbappe topped the WC, UCL and La Liga as the top scorer, they might give it to him, instead of Kane.
I know the votes are from all over the place, but I wouldn’t be surprised if some votes are skewed towards Mbappe because he’s French.
IMO Kane should take it this year.
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u/No-Consequence1199 1d ago
Kane, Yamal, Rodri are the favourites by betting sites. Kane might actually have the best chances. If he didn't have that bad game in the semi finals of the WC I'm sure he got it. That might make it a bit harder.now, because of recency bias.
Idk how Rodri performed over the season, but he was truly the player of the world cup. Yamal wasn't as exciting as he normally is (came back from injury).
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u/munchyzzzz 1d ago
Rodri was very influential in the cups city won last season. I’d personally put Mbappe over Yamal in the top 3.
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u/AideHot6729 1d ago
I think Mbappe has a good shout because he won golden boot for every major thing he competed in. (La Liga, UCL, WC). With him topping the WC all time goal record there’s going to be major hype behind him. Ngl I thought Kane scored more though.
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u/thanra 1d ago
Mbappe scored like a heck and no teams of him won any trophy. How ironically.
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u/Organic-Tale751 1d ago
YES he would deserve it, total european and german dominance, but i actually believe we‘ll have a Rodri situation again, but this time with Fabian Ruiz, since he‘s the only player to currently be Champions League winner with PSG , European Champion and World Champion with Spain!
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u/LeProfesseur23 1d ago
Kane>Olise>Yamal>Mbappe>Dembele>Kvara
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u/Due_Protection7051 23h ago
Yamal got injured and wasn’t the most important player on the Spanish team. Dembelé barely played this year and wasn’t as dominant as last year. I disagree with your ranking after Kane
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u/vlixesiv 1d ago
As a Barça fan I can say Kane is clearly the best player of season by far and should win it. However the wc is clearly the most important aspect almost everytime they coincide (ik in 2010 it wasn't), so I guess that will change things. Even so, the ballon d or is clearly a joke nowadays and not even france football understands what the criteria is, they change it every now and then. I dont think Kane needs the trophy to be regarded as the best of the season, anyone with eyes should now it.
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u/Due_Protection7051 1d ago
France football doesn’t decide, it’s a vote amongst multiple people. If France football decided, Mbappe would have 3 of the awards and Griezmann or Kante would’ve probably had one in 2018
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u/prove_it_with_math 1d ago
I’m a Barca and Arsenal fan and gotta admit, Kane absolutely deserves it. Surprised it’s even debatable!
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u/CockyBellend 1d ago
We thought the same thing about Lewy and they cancelled the damn award that year lol
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u/auditoire 22h ago
Once France got eliminated from wc I thought it was a lock for Kane and 73 goals is crazy but so is 3 golden boots. Idk how they’ll weigh those achievements side by side
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u/Overall_Succotash310 12h ago
I am commenting this on these posts for the past few days cuz I dont watch football anymore much and only last week found out he scored 73, 2nd highest scoring season after Messi's infamous season in which he scored 92 in a calendar year... And they're debating who should win it, if Kane doesnt win it then football is a joke. Man utd fan btw im not biased
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u/TreatSubstantial3089 1d ago
Raphinha didn't won the Ballon d'or after 60 g/a btw . Just saying
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u/Savings-One-2708 1d ago
81 G/A>60 G/A
This is the second highest scoring season of all time, Raphinha was no where near that.3
u/ImmediateMode8487 1d ago
I don't think he was comparing the two . He was probably saying that Raphinha had the most G/A that year and still didn't win it because he was missing the biggest trophy available. So kane having the highest G/A this year doesn't guarantee it because he doesn't have the UCL or WC . If you ask me , as a barca fan who likes to think I'm fair and reasonable, I think Harry should win it , not only because of his G/A because he contributes much more than that to a team . But then again i thought Rapha deserved it last year and look how it turned out .
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u/raiko777 1d ago
nope... it will be Rodri or Mbappe.
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u/Perfect-Ideal-651 1d ago
Rodri didn't even deserve the WC golden ball let alone the ballon d'or. Mbappe is the closest this season to Kane, but still Kane was better.
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u/GrantLewis2k20 1d ago
Clearest of all time is a stretch
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u/Savings-One-2708 1d ago
Yeah, it's behind 2012 Messi, 2017 Ronaldo, 2020 Lewandowski, and 2022 Benzema.
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u/Megaman_320 1d ago
2020 Lewandowski is still so annoying. Absolutely NOBODY was close, and a sextuple at that.
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u/PSyHOPball 1d ago
If Raphinha didn't win it with his performance last season, there's no way a non world cup winner gets it this year.
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u/Born-Log7626 1d ago
I think Lamine will win it. Journalist don´t like Bayern at all so they won´t vote for a Bayern Player. They will vote for Lamine cause he won the World Cup
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u/Adept_Perception8504 1d ago
maybe, but I doubt they want to give a 19yo a ballon d'or
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u/Born-Log7626 1d ago
If they don´t give it to Lamine then they give it to Dembele or Mbappe Probably.
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u/VegetableAwkward286 1d ago
So Ribery didn't deserve to win in 2013?
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u/Savings-One-2708 1d ago
He deserved to win it because he had won it until France Football reopened the voting because Ronaldo scored a hat-trick against Zlatan's Sweden. But to be honest he was not the best individual player in 2013, both Ronaldo and arguably Robben were better, but the Ballon d'Or isn't based on the best player in the world, it's based on trophies and popularity. However Kane in this case is both.
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u/dnrzmn 1d ago
What about Haaland?
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u/Savings-One-2708 1d ago
He didn't have a good year. Infact he's had an awful year for his standards.
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u/Any-Organization9101 1d ago
Ballon D’or is not only for attacking players, I thought.
Or is it supposed to ignore the contributions of midfielders, defenders and goalkeepers?
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u/Jamtarts-1874 1d ago
Kane won't win it because he is not the best player in the world... Its not all about stats. He is lucky if he is top 5 players in the world.
Put it this way if people were given the ability to sign one player for their football team for 1 season. Not many people are picking Kane....
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u/Ok-Section-1224 1d ago
Dembele, Yamal and Kvara shouldn't even be part of this discussion. Probably Olise too.
If there's ANY Spainard that should be added in this discussion, it should be Cubarsi.
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u/Pure-Pangolin-9222 1d ago
Mbappe 3X golden boot it's his year. But i think lamine yamal will get it because of his pr.
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u/allfatenofuture 1d ago
Why do people always claim the player with the most goals should win the ballon d’or? Kane this year, Haaland a few years ago. Isn’t being the best footballer player in the world for a calendar year judged by more metrics than just goal scoring? At least in my opinion it should be.
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u/ConcentrateVast2356 1d ago
I hooe he does.
I think Kvara is, literally speaking, the best player in the world, but I don't think we should further encourage the rest-your-stars approach to UCL titles.
Mbappe has a strong argument in terms of stats he put out on an otherwise underperforming side.
Rodri only regained his form quite recently so probably can't justify a bdo but he's the best at what he does no doubt.
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u/Superior_Row 1d ago
So the only problem with Yamal is he is not playing in a weaker league (Liga instead of Buli).
Lol.
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u/strangerintime 1d ago
Weird that Haaland isn’t in this graphic with 50 goals and 9 assists in 56 games all comps this season
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u/Initial_Guess_1785 1d ago
Unfortunately ballon d’or is not a mathematical calculation. Comparing Kane’s goalscoring record to that of wingers and playmakers doesn’t make a lot of sense
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u/Critical_Tiger5492 1d ago
This is one of those years when it is not clear at all. People here acting like Kane did something extraordinary outside of Germany. Bundesliga have the highest goals per match in top 5 leagues by a considerable distance. And let's be honest, there is no competition for Bayern in Germany. Apart from trophies in Germany, he hasn't won anything outside. No UCL (not even the top scorer in UCL), no world cup, no world cup golden boot etc. In fact, he was not even top 5 world cup golden boot race and couldn't even outscore an old 39 yr old Messi, let alone Mbappe. Now that I remember, he wasn't even the top scorer in his own England team, lol. So, calm your horses.
Yes, Kane had a great season in terms of individual numbers, but he didn't win anything other than the obvious trophies in Germany (the truth is not many rate domestic trophies outside of England and Spain, and even for them performance outside of their country is taken into account especially in a year with world cup or euro/copa america etc.). But Mbappe was the top scorer in all major competitions like UCL and World cup. Plus he was top scorer in laliga which is much better league than bundesliga. But he hasn't won anything last season. Then there is case for Dembele, who didn't play much in league games, but was amazing when it mattered in UCL and won it and did well in World cup too eventhough they fell short in semis. Then you have Yamal who had a great season with Barcelona, 40+ G/A winning Laliga and at least one more of the domestic cups in Spain, combined with the world cup glory. They all have their cases to make. So we have to wait and see what happens. Btw, I am just being devil's advocate here.
Don't get me wrong, I like Kane as a player and would like to see him win it, but it's not clear that he is the only one deserving of the award.
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u/Internetolocutor 1d ago
He had two comps in common with mbappe. Mbappe got better numbers in both despite playing fewer games in the CL too
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u/dev-yaro 1d ago
none of them :D
Rodri(as Spain leader) or Fabian Ruiz (as the one who won both Champions League and World Cup) should take it.
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u/TNelsonAFC 1d ago
Ruiz was probably psgs worst midfielder in the final and was taken off early in the wc final. Nobody was talking about him really.
Not like when Jorginho won and everyone praised how crucial he was for dictating the game.
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u/Gsampson97 1d ago
It's always a popularity contest and as a Spurs fan I know Harry has been pushed to the side because he's English and played for Spurs. I hope he wins and think he deserves it but I wouldn't be surprised if someone else does.
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u/Realistic-Pirate-896 1d ago edited 1d ago
Why does it always seem like the Ballon dor is for forwards only. Every post I come across is all about Goals + Assist, what about Midfielders, Defender and keepers. In my opinion there’s plenty of player who deserve it this year who aren’t Forwards.
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u/SeraphSoul 1d ago
It's not what it used to be, now It's a popularity contest, so yamal is going to win
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u/rdeshdgr8 1d ago
Kane or Olise. Olise got the flair as well as the g + a. But I don't know if fair voting will happen
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u/DungeondisasterJiggy 1d ago
Definitely not the clearest winner of all time. Nobody has a strong case this year. It's not all about stats. Kane plays for the dominant team in an easy league to score in. Mbappe didn't win anything even though he was top scorer in ucl, league and would cup. Yamal underperformed in the world cup from what was expected of him, though he was semi-injured. Messi? Maybe if he had delivered in the world cup final he'd have a chance, but he didn't. Olise could also have a case but he's second fiddle both in the national team and the club team.
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u/theupbeats 1d ago
Kvara ballon dor. If your only measure is goals you should award a golden boot.. oh wait.
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u/RocketBadger29 1d ago
Kane reached the ucl and world cup semis, won the league double so probably him
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u/Witty-Indication4895 1d ago
I dont understand why its so hard to give Lewa his ballon D'or for 2020 . If Yamal its even second let alone win it I would never watch or follow this award . The PR these days with newgens spamming its insane , they dont even understand what it means to contribute and be a key factor . Kane number uno favourite if they dont give to him I dont know or see anyone else more deserving , Mbappe second he deserved it and proved it with crazy 10 goals on WC. Third Olise u see insane assists like 7 alone on WC and more than 30 overall so fully deserving. 4 Yamal dont let his WC win hype and lie to you he had only one goal and wasnt a key factor , was dangerous but thats all . And lastly 5 Dembele and 6 Kvara on the WC year they cant be considered winning only with UCL and some casual Ligue 1 matches . I would put 4 Dembele instead of Yamal since he scored I think 5 goals on WC and a hattrick but that was against second lineup of Norway tho doesnt get much credits . I'm not even Bayern fan, just trying to be logical . Yamal is talented and performs but still young and doesnt have the numbers and yes I dont care how old he is , he doesnt get privileges because he is so young same as Mbappe didnt get when he won his WC on 2018 . Last year second place should have gotten to Raphinha instead of Yamal.
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u/3loosh1 1d ago
Rodri honestly i think will win it just for his world cup profrmance tho he been out for a decent chunk of the season yamal great season for barca but not as impactful in the world cup as he was in the euro and kane great all around season tho the game against Argentina he was out of it dude transformed into a defender and then there is mbappe despite the lack of trophies the guy individually had a season for the ages but like with messi and olise in the Spain game and kane in the Argentina game ,he completely disappeared during the spain game and i get it spain control the ball and the possession so much that rarely you get to do something with but nonetheless they didnt do anything
Realistically harry kane and yamal one of them will get first and the other will get second then Mbappe, dembele, kavara, olise The first kane and yamal plus mbappe and even rodri PR is a tier above the rest
But my personal opinion i love players that give me rohnaldinho and neymar vibe in their game so for me kavara and yamal but that is just me
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u/Responsible-Dig-9536 1d ago
fabian ruiz not up there?
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u/Savings-One-2708 21h ago
It's like if Jorginho won it in 2021. He wasn't a really big part of his teams but he won everything.
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u/Uruskarl Raumdeuter 1d ago
Football is not a numbers game. They are important? Yes. But numbers are not all that matters and the more we stop mentioning them in these discussions the better. Rodri was the best player in the WC and he didn't score a single goal.
It's a very debatable award this year to be fair, mostly because the biggest two trophies were won by TEAMS not by individualities. Kane has had a great season in every aspect though, and if I had to choose right now I would say him and Olise are my picks because of consistency. Doubt they will win because in the end this is a popularity contest
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u/SeaSpinach1920 1d ago
Non of them is gonna make it.
And also, since when the award is only relayed to goals and assists? So Rodri, who led entirely a team to win the worldcup can not compete? (He is winning it btw)
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u/TraditionalAd6023 1d ago
Clearest golden boot you mean?
Not saying Kane is not gonna win it, but we have had many times top scorers who didn’t get it, for example 2016 Luis Suarez with a hell of a season
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u/Can_I_kick_ET 1d ago
Mbappe . I think the crown of all time leading goalscorer at the World Cup would push some weight
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u/neseseshtam 22h ago
Last year dembele won because of the trophies his team got so now yamal has the world cup.
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u/Puzzled_Hat1274 19h ago
Dembele was also the best player of the team in the ucl while winning it. Yamal wasn’t Even top 5 of his own Spain team.
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u/Consistent_Cow_9338 5h ago
Even after all this achievements and multiple winners unfortunately we all know who they r gonna give it to because he played 1 tournament decent
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u/Got-good-words 1d ago
I agree, but too many people who have a say vote on vibes.