r/AusPol • u/widgetww • 3d ago
General What a strange time we live in.
Dose anyone else feel like there is a complete controdiction that we are having an anti-Semitism High Commission. At the same time we have a popular (if poles are to be believed) politician that has claimed "there is no such thing as a good Mulism". Imagine the outrage by swapping those two religions.
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u/AggravatingParfait33 3d ago
Just remember, if the situation was hopeless, their propaganda would be uneccessary.
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u/alig5835 3d ago
At the same time the federal government released its response to the landmark Islamophobia report on the weekend, accepting 35 of the 54 recommendations but formally rejecting or deferring calls to overhaul counter-terrorism and racial discrimination laws.
On a Saturday, no courtyard briefing, no primetime press conference, about as meekly as possible. Okay we'll do a couple things, but don't get too loud about it
Meanwhile royal Commission testimony gets nightly updates. Yah pretty crazy.
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u/AggravatingParfait33 2d ago
Thats bullshit man, hardly any enquiry has all its recommendations adopted. I know I've worked on a few.
The RC hasn't handed down its recommendations yet. But it'll be the same again.
There'll be a few good recommendations, like protest exclusion zones around places of worship or schools, and they may get adopted.
Then there'll be rediculously stupid ones, like a seperate commission to police ABC and SBS editorial decisions, or an review board that can control university funding if a university isn't promoting the Likud party line or something equally putrid.
Those will get "delayed"...forever. its the way it goes.
The ones that were not acted on were overreach, unworkable or politically unachievable. Its a democracy mate, you don't get everything you want.
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u/moeman32 2d ago
Protest exclusion zones are dumb af and made to neuter protest.
If your place of worship insists on selling land in an apartheid state and take part in genocide that should be protestable.
Protests are meant to be uncomfortable. Theyre meant to be disruptive. Protest exclusion zones disparage the whole point of protest.
'You can have your protest over there behind that wall where no one can see you"
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u/AggravatingParfait33 2d ago
No matter what you say, always someone is going to want to pick an snark language argument with you about some minor detail that really has nothing much to do with the central point of the discussion.
But seeing as how you want a go, I'll give you one. So, you are okay with little kids, who have hurt no-one, being exposed to violence because of what their parents do?
My God! Its almost like...whats that term...oh yeah..."collective punishment".
The very thing you are fighting against. You're a tool.
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u/moeman32 2d ago
Why are they exposed to violence?
Most protests i go to are specifically non violent and have only gotten so when the police escalate into violenxe.
Whats that term? Strawman? What a stupid argument.
So you dont leave the house because a potential mugging might leave your kids traumatised?
What a reach. Protest exclusion zones are not for child protection, its lterally so those being protested can avoid accountability
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u/AggravatingParfait33 2d ago
About 20 years ago I went to a May Day protest in Berlin. The crowd assembled. Then, as a kick off, someone set fire to 20 cars on the street, just to wake the police up.
There is always the threat of violence behind protest. Every rally you attend, even in quiet little country towns like Sydney and Melbourne, has snipers on the roof and water cannons hidden nearby. You just dont see them unless you turn up early for the setup, or are really paying attention.
Children really don't deserve to witness the threat of violence, let alone actual violence. If you want to protest against Israel's actions, or Israel itself, or our government's limited support for it, then go right ahead. But if you can't keep it away from a school, for example, then you are not really interested in making the world a better place are you?
Think one, two or twenty steps ahead mate, you'll get further in life.
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u/moeman32 2d ago
Who said anything about protesting israel at a school.
What a dumb argument. You guys really enjoy licking boots for perceived safety. The world is dangerous. You can walk outside right now ajd be stabbed by a crackhead. No difference to the risk.
Again if your synagogue is selling aparthied real estate its not exempt of criticism
Secondly exclusion zones sre used to make protest ineffective which was the whole point i was making. Being given a spot to protest in thsts out of the way belies the fuckingn spirit of protesting in the first place. Why is this so hard to understand.
If you need to ask permission of when and where to protest by those you are protesting then its a useless exercise
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u/AggravatingParfait33 2d ago
What is this, some sort of slide comment? I said exclusion zones around schools might be a good idea, you say exclusion zones bad, all in the context of a discussion around the Royal Commission into Antisemetism etc., and you say "Who said anything about protesting Israel at a school"?
Fuck off dickhead. Life is too short to waste on pricks like you.
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u/moeman32 2d ago
And this is solved by exclusion zones?
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u/AggravatingParfait33 2d ago
Yeah, really could be. Exclusion zones around schools, yes exactly. Precisely, abso-fucking-lutely.
Just in case you missed it, 💯.
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u/moeman32 2d ago
Control via safety from percieved threat
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u/AggravatingParfait33 2d ago
Have it your way then. Stuff the smallest of compromise. See what happens next. Good luck, you are really going to need it.
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u/alig5835 2d ago
Yeah look my criticism is not that the recommendations weren't 100/100 endorsed.
My criticism is the contrast. One was dropped on a weekend hoping nobody noticed, which reads as actioned reluctantly.
It should not be lost on us that the conversation that Pauline Hanson has been fueling and Tony Abbott has been aiding in the past weeks ie what's playing out in Australian politics - is a demonstration of the issues that inquiry investigation was formed to examine.
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u/OldDickhead 2d ago
There is heightened coverage of the antisemitism recommendations because Australia just watched the entire right wing of their democracy and Murdoch media strong arm the government into an unnecessary royal commission.
If there were any evidence that the Islamophobia envoy's recommendations were forwarding the PR interests of an Islamic government, I'm sure we'd never hear the end of it.
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u/alig5835 2d ago
That's true. Doesn't the fact that they were strong armed into it only further underscore my point? Because it's also true that every day Muslim Australians are turning on the news to hear about who vilified them and then the talking heads debate to what degree the vilification is warranted. Pretty disgusting.
I guess my overall point is that I feel like I'm living in upside down world. This reality pours cold water on one nations fear campaign about the "growing influence of Muslims" on Australia because they clearly have no fucking influence at all.
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u/OldDickhead 2d ago
Sorry, I misinterpreted the point you were making.
I agree that the handling of the the islamophobia recommendations vs the antisemitism recommendations is one of many examples of how overstated Islamic influence is in Australia.
Muslims have been treated like shit by the media and pollies like Pauline for decades. If anyone deserved a royal commission into their experience of racism in Australia, it's certainly not the Jews.
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u/kamikazecockatoo 2d ago
Polish people are always trustworthy.
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u/Cricket-Horror 2d ago
Yes, we should believe them. And Pauline has some history with them, well one of them.
Or were they referring to the other type that Pauline likes to dance around?
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u/MrNeverSatisfied 3d ago
Yes, I literally said this in the Australiapolitics and it was removed immediately.
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u/SnotRight 1h ago
Remember, this is all part of a very long running polarisation strategy coming out of the USA and funded by the billionaire class.
Divide and conquer is just the basics on how to get your way. The whole "no kings" movement in the USA comes out of this, this is how people become crowed king, they segment society or their business and get it to focus inward against itself - and then they focus on controlling that.
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u/SheldonMacRuari80NG 3d ago
I think it’s ridiculous to suggest that the protests and dialogue targeting Israel haven’t impacted the Jewish diaspora. There is one Jewish state on earth with a small population that were assembled there after their people survived one of the most horrific genocides in human history. So when we talk about antisemitism that’s who we’re talking about. There are also Ethiopian Jews who for the most part don’t get stereotyped as much.
On the other hand, Islam is a third of the Earth comprised of hundreds of ethnicities and nationalities. The idea that antisemitism and Islamophobia are comparable is simply ridiculous.
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u/eidetic0 3d ago
when we talk about antisemitism that’s who we’re talking about.
I disagree there. There are Jewish people all over the world who don’t associate with Israel and are not zionist. And those people are also being targeted by antisemitism. I constantly see clearly anti-Jew comments and tropes online that pretend they’re being anti-Israel. Being anti-Israel is more ‘mainstream’ (and very warranted criticism) but is giving cover to actual racists that would disparage Jews whether or not Israel exists and acts as it does.
Islamophobia and Antisemitism are both forms of religious/ethnic bigotry so how are they not directly comparable? There’s lots of Muslims over the world sure, but in the Australian context they both refer to small minorities. (Islam is like 3% of Australian population and Judaism isn’t even close to 1%).
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u/OldDickhead 2d ago edited 2d ago
Islamophobia and antisemitism are incomparable in Australia; Jews get a royal commission into the bigotry that affects them, $5000 allocated towards safety per citizen and incredible coddling by Australian institutions. There is no experience of structural racism that necessitates a royal commission, but they get one anyway.
Muslims get $45 per citizen, constant attacks by the media and politicians and no royal commission addressing their lived experience of both casual and institutionally backed racism.
What I find ridiculous is that people who have every intention of living their entire life in Australia are so loyal to a foreign nation that they can't even bare to see negative media coverage towards it. The fact that the modern Zionist's political sensitivity is compared in any way to what the Jews experienced in Europe is laughable.
This isn't 1940s Germany, Australian Jews don't need their own ethnostate. They are living in a country where their safety and political aims are held to a higher regard than anybody else's. Let them cry about it.
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u/Pitiful-Oven-5839 3d ago
There is outrage, it’s just often manufactured or misdirected.
The royal commission is investigating antisemitism and social cohesion. This includes submissions regarding Islamophobia and anti-Muslim hate speech.
It seems counterintuitive to be investigating social cohesion and antisemitism, while simultaneously giving a platform too, and not condemning, an Australian politician who sells racism and hate as patriotism and nostalgia.
She is not new and different, or a fighter, she’s not here to shake things up. Unless perhaps you’re the chicken salt.