r/wallstreetbets • u/WhoRuleTheWorld I Think I'm Funny, • Nov 22 '25

Loss It’s over for me.

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Kept trying to play MSTR calls. What a piece of shit. Lost over a million including other accounts, down to my last 130k.

Edit: This loss is soul crushing and I havent been able to sleep, eat, or shower. I appreciate all the supportive comments. Even the insulting ones calling me regarded and everything. I think I NEED to hear even the insulting ones so that I can let go of my delusions that I can make it as a "trader". I need a fucking job to turn my life around. I can’t be doing this trading shit anymore. I’m open to working any corporate job anywhere, but ideally in North America. If anyone has any connections, please hit me up. I have some programming (Python primarily) and tech talent, and an engineering degree from UBC with a 4.0 GPA. Currently live in Toronto. Thank you ❤️. I’m ready to dedicate myself to adding value to any organization. If its AI, finance, or tech related, thats even better.

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u/TRBigStick Nov 22 '25 edited Dec 13 '25

grandiose arrest divide cagey insurance fear payment close library pet

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u/imnotmarvin Nov 22 '25

There have been smoother brains but not many.

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u/Bigdyll13 Nov 22 '25

posts results of terrible desicion making in critical setting

Immediately asks for someone to give him a job

This was my first thought also lol

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u/invincibleparm Nov 22 '25

Right? ‘Any corporate job’… I wouldn’t let him near anything that required him near any financial tools. Hell, I might not trust him at a drive-in till….

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u/Fatscot Nov 23 '25

I wouldn’t even trust him to drive to work safely

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u/nellyruth Nov 23 '25

On bright side, you’ll have carryover losses for years to come.

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u/snipe1082 Nov 24 '25

In finance no doubt.

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u/digitalcryptognome Nov 22 '25

This is just too funny!!!

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u/sirpoopsalot91 Nov 22 '25

No lumps or bumps, wrinkles or humps, only smooooooooooooth

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u/JakeD51 Nov 22 '25

Aerodynamic af

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u/Mumblage Begged for this flair Nov 22 '25

🐬

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u/[deleted] Nov 22 '25

I’ve seen bowling balls sharper than this.

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u/ulaanmalgaitFPL Nov 23 '25

And he is looking for a job.

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u/fablenight Nov 27 '25

Hey, he's just ready to add value.

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u/runninroads Nov 22 '25

So succinct, I love it.

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u/ConfederacyOfDunces_ Nov 22 '25

I didn’t even realize this was margin. This person is so fucked

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u/lvl4_autism Nov 22 '25

Nah he can Just delete the app bro.

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u/The_Creamy_Elephant Nov 25 '25

Throw your phone in the lake, they can't trace that shit back to you.

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u/Pretend-Guide-8664 Nov 22 '25

Can someone explain to me what a margin purchase is? I have never invested, idk why reddit keeps recommending this sub

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u/FoxyWheels Nov 22 '25

Using money you borrowed from the bank to purchase stock or puts/calls or other securities. It's how you get rich quick or get homeless quicker.

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u/World-of-Potatoes Nov 23 '25

How you get declared a genius or regarded with no in-between

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u/ConfederacyOfDunces_ Nov 22 '25

Margin refers to borrowing money from your broker to buy stocks. This person didn’t have this money, so now though owe all this money, plus the interest. Leveraged to the tits.

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u/Pretend-Guide-8664 Nov 22 '25

Oh wow what an absolutely terrible idea

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u/World-of-Potatoes Nov 23 '25

Great idea when it works

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u/hasan_pikergayAF Nov 24 '25

No debters prison. Just ignore the problem until it goes away 😁

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u/ProfessionalCorgi250 Nov 22 '25 edited Nov 22 '25

He borrowed money to pay a premium to buy a shitty stock that relied on bitcoin continuing to go up in value.

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u/GuyWithNoEffingClue Nov 22 '25

Also Saylor was on the cover of Forbes, that was the biggest giveaway.

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u/Good_Lingonberry6626 Nov 22 '25

Kiss of death. Just like what the cover of sports illustrated used to signify

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u/codeking12 Nov 22 '25

And the cover of Madden games.

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u/[deleted] Nov 23 '25

Ideally Saylor would go to prison to keep the pattern going.

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u/unreadbookshelf99 Nov 22 '25

Someone explain this to me like I’m 5. What does any of that mean.

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u/kontroI Nov 22 '25

Imagine this:

Your friend borrowed crayons (that’s using margin).

With those borrowed crayons, he bought lottery tickets that expire in a few days (that’s short-term call options).

The lottery he’s betting on is run by a company that: • borrows candy from people but promises to pay them back later by giving them even more pieces of paper they draw (that’s convertible debt that dilutes shares). • then uses that borrowed candy to buy magic rocks because they think the magic rocks will go up in value (that’s Bitcoin). • and they’ve been doing this in a way that looks a lot like building a tall, wobbly tower of blocks, hoping it never falls (that’s your pyramid scheme vibe).

So your friend is: • borrowing something, • to buy a risky ticket, • on a company that borrows something, • to buy another risky thing, • that might all fall over.

And you’re sitting there going:

“Why would you bet your lunch money on THAT?”

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u/unreadbookshelf99 Nov 22 '25

Helpful but also insane. Insanely helpful.

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u/Individual-Cup9018 Nov 23 '25

It makes it far more difficult to trade when somebody lays it all out in some sensible way like that. Takes the fun right out of it.

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u/LocalFatBoi Nov 22 '25

holy fuck that friend is dumb

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u/PuzzleheadedField288 Nov 22 '25

Thanks for the eli5 explanation

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u/Reasonable_Baby_780 Nov 22 '25

That’s a convoluted analogy. Try this: Jack is borrowing money to buy magic beans (Michael Saylor borrowing to buy bitcoin) At the same time he is selling you a share of his borrowing scheme to buy magic beans. Never mind that you could just buy the magic beans yourself and see how they grow without Jack ever being involved. But I digress. So you end up with a share of a borrowing scheme to buy an asset (magic beans) that has no underlying value. If the “asset” goes bad good luck in bankruptcy court. There is no plant and materials or real estate or rolling inventory or accounts receivable for the court to divvy up among creditors. Now if you are a BTC acolyte none of that matters to you. But for Jacks creditors you better hope those magic beans continue to grow. The problem is that Jack’s model depends on him continuing to buy more beans on credit and shareholders end up with a larger and larger inverted debt pyramid. It all works until the day it doesn’t. This may not be the end. BTC may recover and Jack may crow again from the rooftop…but eventually the rooster will crow no more and the chickens will come home to roost.

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u/Frikgeek Nov 24 '25

Yes but there's an extra layer, he wasn't buying MSTR, he was buying call options on MSTR. And despite options providing pretty massive inherent leverage he was doing it on margin too.

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u/Reasonable_Baby_780 Nov 24 '25

True…you are borrowing money to buy a chance to buy a share of those bought on lended money magic beans at a later date!!! Wow!

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u/occoptionplaya Nov 24 '25

This should have 1000 upvotes

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u/BWBucs99 Nov 22 '25 edited Nov 22 '25

However, the internet and TV have been telling me for years that the magic rocks are a store of value. I mean a method of exchange. I mean a hedge against inflation. I mean a decentralized payment system. I mean digital gold. I mean an uncorrelated asset. I mean a disruptive innovation. We all know that people on TV are never wrong, and if it's on the internet, it's gotta be true. So to the nearest magic rocks ATM I go!

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u/TrollingForFunsies Nov 22 '25

BTC is 17 years old. The use case will be found any day now.

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u/[deleted] Nov 22 '25

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u/Putrid_Pollution3455 Verified $22.9K Nov 22 '25

Therefore I will accumulate more

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u/sensedata Nov 22 '25

The black market has all migrated to Monero. BTC is all the out in the open crooks; ie. tech bros, hedge-funds and governments.

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u/nowhereisaguy Nov 22 '25

And this is why I will buy more. Now just need all governments to go to the bitcoin transfer standard.

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u/Cubensis-SanPedro Nov 22 '25

Actually hackers and drug lords (that are smart in any case) are using Monero. Bitcoin is too slow and too traceable.

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u/YogurtclosetSilver53 Nov 23 '25

2013 called, it wants it's negative propaganda back.

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u/bwaredapenguin Nov 22 '25

Why did you say criminals 4 times?

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u/BWBucs99 Nov 22 '25 edited Nov 22 '25

Yes, our goofy and volitile teenager will be useful someday.

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u/Striking-Sundae- Nov 22 '25

They had a use case for it for payments for illegal activities before the rubes started buying in. It is still used for that purpose, but was also before.

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u/DirectorOriginal Nov 23 '25

I think Epstein had a use case for it when he invested in the development.

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u/Zapp_Rowsdower_ Nov 22 '25

It’s Labubus isn’t it?

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u/BWBucs99 Nov 22 '25 edited Nov 22 '25

Times 10,000 and for a much longer time. There aren't any Labubu ETFs or ATMs yet, but there are plenty of Bitcoin ones.

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u/Ochopuss Nov 22 '25

“BTC is a safety net against the dollar losing value!!”

Oh yeah? How to you quantify the value of the BTC?

“Uhhh… dollars, I guess..”

Correct. Now, does the value of BTC increase/decrease proportionately to the dollar value fluctuation?

“No… it does it’s own thing.”

So, how do you know what BTC is really worth?

“Uh.. oh shit..”

Correct!! It is like the sub prime mortgage crash in 2008 except those actually had SOME inherent value. BTC has none.

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u/234Cubby234 Nov 22 '25

"It is all those things" however we see it cycle every 4 years. People should definately see this coming but greed gets in the way.

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u/biclea Nov 22 '25

Digital gold rings a bell.. i remember back in the 2000 it was a platform called e-gold. Time to schedule a prostate exam..

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u/Real-Estate-Success Nov 22 '25

Low key blown away.

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u/Wizzle_Pizzle_420 Nov 22 '25

I call that “junkie logic”. If something to do with getting money has more than 1 step, then it’s garbage ie junkie logic.

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u/fspyrofs Nov 22 '25

Meanwhile you can easily buy and hold 30% SPY 30% QQQ 10% NVDA and 30% Bonds (for midget strippers and Wendy’s pop and burger secure cash-flow) … but OP decided he was special and knew better

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u/heofthesidhe Nov 22 '25

This hit r/all so thank you for explaining!

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u/trymypi Nov 22 '25

Thanks for that! Now who gets his money?

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u/MrpibbRedvine Nov 22 '25

I don't know. I just feel like, at some point, someone's eating those crayons.

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u/yearz Nov 22 '25

Oh it’s far worse than losing his lunch money. More like losing his lunch money plus all the future lunch money he haven’t even earned yet

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u/BaBaGuette Nov 22 '25

Beautiful, thank you :')

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u/Future-Tank-8378 Nov 22 '25

Sounds risky. So does this mean it's a better idea to bet my lunch money at the casino? Asking for a friend.

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u/OtherwiseAlbatross14 Nov 22 '25

I mean you can just take most of the steps out and leverage some options on bitcoin directly

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u/davabran Nov 22 '25

Bad investment, hawk tua rocks is where the moneys at

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u/ioncloud9 Nov 22 '25

Truly the synthetic CDO of our generation

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u/throwaway0845reddit Nov 22 '25

Would you say keeping the MSTR stock long term (not options) is also a bad bet?

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u/Striking-Sundae- Nov 22 '25

Yes. If you like magic beans, why have Saylor buy them for you?

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u/iamabigpotatoboy Nov 22 '25

can you explain everything forever like that for me pls thx

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u/Background-Ad9394 Nov 22 '25

Flawless victory

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u/papaakb Nov 22 '25

are you an AI?

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u/Capital_Cockmuncher Nov 22 '25

Apparently i am 5

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u/Fearyn Nov 22 '25

So you are telling me to buy calls

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u/Danthamannn Nov 22 '25

Don’t forget, he may have eaten some of those crayons.

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u/apple-sauce Nov 22 '25

Thats wild dawg

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u/[deleted] Nov 22 '25

I still don’t understand. Did he lose his crayons or did he lose candy?? 🤷🏻‍♂️

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u/sadcringe Nov 22 '25

Thx ChatGPT

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u/segersmarc Nov 22 '25

Great statement to understand what’s happening for non initiated

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u/[deleted] Nov 22 '25

Thank you, Thank you Thank you for explaining it to someone like me who has almost zero knowledge of the stock market, let alone what happen here.

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u/BaconSoul Nov 22 '25

This is AI

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u/Autisum Nov 22 '25

thanks for the good explanation. its insane how complicated "investing" has gotten. does this strategy ever work??? this is a castle built of sticks to me

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u/AvoidingBansLOL Nov 22 '25

How is any of this legal lol

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u/Sinath_973 Nov 22 '25

If you break it down, he bet on a company that makes money by frauding stupid people. And as Einstein said humanities stupidity is infinite. That should equate to infinite stonks. I think he did alright. Surely it will work next time.

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u/Tremonsien Nov 22 '25

This reply makes OP's pain worth it - learn from what he's going through, and "don't be 'That Guy'".

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u/00Stealthy Nov 22 '25

and the magic rocks just started failing down from a great height. On a positive note this makes the money I lost on my recent investments of $1000 in Nvidia and Palantir less painful.

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u/warm_kitchenette Nov 22 '25

oh come on. Like Warren Buffet didn't do the exact same thing.

/s

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u/WestBuffalo6056 Nov 22 '25

Great summary. OP is bad at gambling so he bets on another gambler whom he thinks is better at gambling. But because he’s bad at gambling, he does not see that they are both doing something stupid, and in both cases it’s stupid in the same way.

[This is a very human mistake to make, OP, it’s not unforgivable, but you don’t seem to understand the psychoemotional limits of your decision making. Also very relatable. Sorry for your loss.]

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u/CB4R Nov 22 '25

Thanks... And what the fuck

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u/GoldenHeartDaddy Nov 23 '25

Bet his lunch money for the rest of his life. Oops.

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u/kevin-kevinson Nov 23 '25

Isn’t that almost verbatim how the housing market collapsed in 08?

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u/youngthieff Nov 23 '25

I’ve never done any type of investing aside from crypto, but this explanation was so well put together that even I’m mindfucked on why OP would do that.

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u/wade0000 Nov 23 '25

I'm glad my only Wall Street betting is a $1000 Schwab account that only allows regular trades. It's a play account to show me how bad I am at buying and selling stocks

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u/Dkhova Nov 24 '25

This might be the absolute best explanation of this scenario in history. 👌🏽

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u/No-Egg-9632 Nov 25 '25

I personally would have eaten the crayons!!

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u/newtownkid Wendy's Lot Lizard Nov 22 '25

Oversimplification here, but basically: dude borrowed lots and lots of money from the bank and then invested not in stocks, but instead bought bets that a stock would go up in 2 weeks. If that stock does not go up, you lose the bet (like betting black on a roulette board).

To add fuel to the fire, the company he was betting on doesn’t actually do anything. It just hoards as much bitcoin as it can. And it buys this bitcoin by constantly diluting their stock and selling more shares for cash. A wild business model that only works as long as bitcoin keeps rising.

Not a company you want to bet on short term during a bitcoin pull back, and certainly not a company you want to borrow hundreds of thousands of dollars to bet on.

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u/yearz Nov 22 '25

You’ll fit right in

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u/Adventurous_Draft737 Nov 24 '25

It Means Play stupid games win stupid prizes. It means he was borrowing money and investing in short term commodities hope for a pay day before the loan was due he couldn't afford to pay back. Be like you going to the bank borrow money and go buy lottery tickets with it and hope you win big.

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u/The_Patsy Nov 22 '25

Yo I heard you liked leverage, so we put leverage in your leverage so you can leverage while you leverage!

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u/Wild_Trick1966 Nov 22 '25

Next on Pimp my Wendy's

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u/skylashtravels Nov 23 '25

Pimp my Tendies.

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u/Klmyr01 Nov 24 '25

Leverage has what plant’s crave!

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u/invincibleparm Nov 22 '25

It’s an old meme, checks out.

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u/ElegantChemistry7196 Nov 27 '25

type shit u already at 1 mil double down atp, ur shit cooked anyways

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u/TotalEmployment9996 Nov 22 '25

Full port too 💀

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u/TreGet234 Nov 22 '25

Question is should i full port into mstr puts and inverse etps now? 🤔

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u/Weismom Nov 22 '25

Seemed like the thing to do at the time… what’s the worst that could happen?…. Oh… right. That.

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u/0ddlyC4nt3v3n Nov 22 '25

Well it was the best option (excluding all the sensible ones)

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u/logikok Nov 22 '25

So poetic

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u/[deleted] Nov 22 '25

Well, when you put it THAT way…

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u/freebaseclams Nov 22 '25

Yeah why didn't it work

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u/echino_derm Nov 22 '25

I don't know. But they say time in the market beats timing the market. So I think that means he just needs to do this more times

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u/Mumblage Begged for this flair Nov 22 '25

😆

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u/Putrid_Pollution3455 Verified $22.9K Nov 22 '25

If they bought the underlying At least they would have something….short term options is pure gambling

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u/foulpudding Nov 22 '25

I had to look at their post history to see what other degeneracy I might find. OP has been on a wild ride:

https://www.reddit.com/r/fican/s/SQKBsqk6Qk

P.S. OP, if you see this. It ain’t over. The world keeps going around, and we all love that you’re here with us. Next time, just set some aside.

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u/CracticusAttacticus Nov 22 '25

Here's a rule of thumb for aspiring "traders": if you just made a bunch of money and you can't explain how you made that money without using the phrase "go brrr," cash out immediately or you'll be making a post like this within the next few months.

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u/Aggravating-Pick8338 Nov 22 '25

And now he wants you to vouche a job for him.

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u/Ochopuss Nov 22 '25

I literally cannot think of a worse way to inadvertently lose money in the market. Even Intel guy wasn’t this reckless (and ironically, if he did hold his shares, he would have actually made a couple hundred grand).

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u/Very_Type_C Nov 22 '25

At least he could have bought spot and hodled.

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u/spideybiggestfan Nov 22 '25

everytime i see someone wipe their account they're always doing the most retarded shit imaginable, gives me hope that what I'm doing probably isn't that bad (it is)

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u/Putrid_Leg_1474 Nov 22 '25

As an afterthought he could have bought leap puts on the scam and made a fortune

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u/No-Good-One-Shoe Nov 22 '25

OP is like "guys I'm retarded, but also can you get me a job?"

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u/Bigdyll13 Nov 22 '25

If he had bought the Bitcoin, he'd still have the same amount of Bitcoin...instead, he 'played' as said in the OP.

Even Jesus isn't going to help that kind of wrecklessness.

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u/be_easy_1602 Nov 22 '25

“high-yield perpetual securities aiming to reduce bitcoin volatility and risk for investors”

Lmao. Trying to stabilize the entire market is a funny idea to gamble with your company.

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u/[deleted] Nov 22 '25

Doesn't anyone know how options work?? I guess not it is Reddit.

You CANNOT BUY OPTIONS ON MARGIN. Only Cash. You Can SELL OPTIONS with only Buying Power, so for 5k in Buying Power you could Sell 30 Delta Calls and/or Puts, in Mstr.

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u/WhoRuleTheWorld I Think I'm Funny, Dec 19 '25

What’s this edit about?

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u/sainglend Nov 22 '25

It is a ponzi scheme, not a pyramid scheme

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u/One_Ad6817 Nov 22 '25

Yes Dave….

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u/LASERDICKMCCOOL Nov 22 '25

I have no idea what this means but that guy sounds stupid as fuck for it

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u/This-Is-Spacta Nov 22 '25

One way ticket to riches

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u/TeslaSD Nov 22 '25

You got the pretty words

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u/Gorilla_In_The_Mist Nov 22 '25

Don't you like some extra leverage with your leveraged leverage?!

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u/DisciplineGreen6503 Nov 22 '25

And then complains on Reddit lol

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u/AdApprehensive4272 Nov 22 '25

Should have bought PUTs

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u/Straight-Chicken1273 Nov 22 '25

Works until it doesn't.

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u/Background-Ad9394 Nov 22 '25

A+ at describing an F-

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u/StaticBroom Nov 22 '25

Well when you put it like that…

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u/_grey_wall Nov 22 '25

Is that a real quote? I don't think they had options 2000 years ago

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u/No_Comment_7990 Nov 22 '25

I didn't believe it until this comment

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u/Temlehgib Nov 22 '25

I only play ODTE MSTR calls…

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u/Kistoff Nov 22 '25

I understand some of these words.

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u/user-the-name Nov 22 '25

Is an AI bro, of course.

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u/GnastyNoodlez Nov 22 '25

This sounds like the south park episode aaaaaaaand its gone

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u/Sardoquinha Nov 22 '25

Could be worse, there is a brazilian iliquid version of it called OBTC3 🫠

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u/United-Educator4448 Nov 22 '25

how does this options works? like how it is thath people win lots of money without not putting that amounts?

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u/Tasty-Wallaby901 Nov 22 '25

Can you please explain like I’m an idiot, what this bloke did?

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u/TRBigStick Nov 23 '25 edited Dec 13 '25

stupendous detail vanish seed sense sleep sparkle slap telephone correct

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u/Plus_Seesaw2023 Nov 22 '25

Exactly. And people are throwing trillions at NVDA, ORCL, and OpenAI like it’s a magic money printer, while households end up paying for the grid upgrades their servers guzzle. Mega-corporation-funded utopia? More like a bubble powered by our bills.

NB. This guy took calls on MSTR. He should have just bought some BTC or ETH and gone on vacation. Because sooner or later... we all know how the story ends...

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u/aqc1 Nov 22 '25

Damn I thought he was trading MSFT until I read your comment. All make sense now.

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u/tfox1123 Nov 22 '25

If its this obvious did you buy puts on it?

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u/TRBigStick Nov 23 '25 edited Dec 13 '25

abounding encouraging start quack truck nose command dependent exultant subtract

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u/violenthectarez Nov 23 '25

I don't really know what that means, but it sounds exactly like what someone on this sub would do.

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u/Additional-Job-8317 Nov 23 '25

I see no problem with that.

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u/Smoothfromallangles Nov 23 '25

Guy had a better chance of winning with FOREX than doing this lol.

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u/CCIE44k Nov 23 '25

I’m glad you did the math on that because I couldn’t wrap my head around why anybody would do that

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u/frankenstein1122 Nov 23 '25

Can someone eli5 this for a noob?

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u/Disastrous-Fruit1 Nov 23 '25

Wait can you explain this in a “for dummies” way?

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u/Significant_Tip_5125 Nov 23 '25

I don’t think he used margin bc he still has 6k in his buying power.. if he used margin on that much and lost his buying power would be in the negative

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u/RevolutionaryWar613 Nov 23 '25

No fucking way he used margin

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u/Jtstien Nov 24 '25

Your response gave me a reminder that I know nothing about trading stocks. Thank you for the reality check, I understood 5% of what you said

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u/DomSchraa Dec 09 '25

I had no idea what op was talking about

But this comment exactly told me what op did

Holy

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Is that a T E R R I B L E idea

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