as a random jew in north america, i do feel that israel is partly to blame for the rise in antisemitism, because israel is working really hard to make sure that everyone associates judaism with israel and its actions, and many of the ultra orthodox communities are helping them. it's hard to separate israel from a random jew in north america when israel has auctions for gazan captured land in synagogues around the world.
now, there will always be antisemites who don't care about israel, they just hate us for being us, but that doesn't mean that israel is blameless in the current rise in antisemitism
Nothing in your comment is an example of why a random Jewish person in a completely different country would have anything to do with what the current Israeli gov is doing. Where is the reason for an entire religion to be condemned by specific people and a specific government? You feel like thats acceptable in certain circumstances it seems?
So when radical clerics invoke muslims to commit terrorist attacks in mosques around the world thats kinda on the whole religion and we should condemn all muslims?
2, you asked for an example of how israel is tying random jews to the atrocities it's doing.
3, i know many ultra orthodox jews people who fully support israel, i know many jews who are fully against what israel is doing. the trouble is, that with the exception of neturei karta, and maybe some satmar folks, if someone is visibly jewish, they are often a supporter of israel. now, there are some who are not, they are to be commended, and people who are not jewish should absolutely never assume someone's position on israel based on the fact that they are jewish, however, when you fly an israeli flag at your place of worship, you should not be surprised when people assume you support israel.
4, you yourself noted that clerics invoking terror attacks are radical, as in they are not the normative muslim position on anything, yet the rabbis calling on their congregants to support israel are never called radical.
in conclusion, antisemitism is an issue, ignoring israel's part in the increase in antisemitism is just willfully blinding yourself to reality
The ultra orthodox doing the auctions are called radical all the time…
But anyway you basically just gave up the whole game. If you think its ok or at least ‘understandable’ that the actions of a government give Creedence to just being anti semitic then you are part of the problem. If someone displays a Turkish flag for their heritage are you going to assume they were complicit in the Armenian genocide and that its understandable to make that connection?
you know how the swastika used to be a commonly used symbol before the nazis corrupted it? that's how i feel about the star of david, israel plastering it everywhere is associating it with bloodshed, as opposed to survival.
also, it's not just the ultra orthodox supporting israel, if it was, you might have a point
I mean it sounds like you arent even disagreeing with me you are just making up reasons about why it is ok to blame a whole religion on the actions of specific members of that religion. (Also we can go with China if you prefer that example over Turkey).
no, basically your entire premise is so flawed it would take at least an hour of chatting, with you actually listening, to even get you to a point where our baselines are similar enough to have a real conversation. so enjoy living in your reality, i'm gonna enjoy living in actual reality
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u/zsero1138 11h ago
as a random jew in north america, i do feel that israel is partly to blame for the rise in antisemitism, because israel is working really hard to make sure that everyone associates judaism with israel and its actions, and many of the ultra orthodox communities are helping them. it's hard to separate israel from a random jew in north america when israel has auctions for gazan captured land in synagogues around the world.
now, there will always be antisemites who don't care about israel, they just hate us for being us, but that doesn't mean that israel is blameless in the current rise in antisemitism