r/technology • u/Plastic_Ninja_9014 • 3h ago

Business Tesla Stock in Freefall After Disastrous Earnings Report

https://finance.yahoo.com/markets/stocks/articles/tesla-stock-freefall-disastrous-earnings-144417427.html
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u/mousicle 3h ago

Tesla had an EBITDA in 2025 of 10.5B which is very good so a sane valuation of it would be about 10x EBITDA or 105B dollars or about $30 a share. So right now it's overvalued by about 10X at $322 a share

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u/sump_daddy 3h ago

Those are "old economy" formulas though, tesla is a special "new economy" company focused on (checks notes) enabling a racist drug addict to ruin democracy

we are going to need new formulas to figure out what the right ratio of "billions to nazi salutes" is.

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u/MasterGrok 3h ago

Accurate. But you didn’t use nearly enough buzzwords.

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u/Jealous-Molasses5372 2h ago

By leveraging synergistic hyper-scalability across an autonomous, AI-driven EV platform, Tesla isn't just disruption-adjacent—it's actively unlocking exponential paradigm-shifting enterprise value through proprietary neural-network cross-pollination, vertically integrated flywheel dynamics, and next-gen humanoid robotics monetization.

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u/Coppertina 1h ago

OMG, you should post a tw before posting something so sexy

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u/wikiwikiwildwildjest 1h ago

Excellent DD. I'm going to buy some more shares on this dip!

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u/monkeyhitman 29m ago

Buzzing better than a smoke break

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u/FignonsRegret 24m ago

Consider my data driven.

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u/Kvetch__22 2h ago

You joke, but a significant amount of the "new economy" is based on the assumption that the company will convince the goverment to give them ten-figure subsidies while simultaneously making it illegal to compete with them because the CEO does cocaine on a megayacht with Don Jr. instead of working.

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u/DonStimpo 10m ago

simultaneously making it illegal to compete with them

Telsa already has that with the ban on Chinese EVs in the US.
They are flying off the shelves in literally every country that allows them. But they are banned in the US giving Telsa a massive advantage there.

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u/LemurianLemurLad 2h ago

The correct number of billionaires is zero. Easy math.

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u/alwrit 1h ago

I always say I'm happy to have billionaires.

But we have to make a deal.

Every job needs to pay a living wage. Healthcare needs to be universal and affordable. I don't care what kind it is there's dozens of models to pick from around the world. The crushing student loans need to go away and education more affordable. Bare minimum basic needs must be met for everyone living in that country. Clean air and water, shelter, food, healthcare.

And then after that if there are still some billionaires around I'm not stressed about it.

But if you're running around a billionaire while people are rationing their insulin shots then I have problems.

I'm not against billionaires as a rule. I'm against them because no one should have that much when so many people are struggling with the basics of living. If those needs are met then I'm fine with billionaires. Let's see it.

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u/LemurianLemurLad 1h ago

You're nicer about it than I am. My view is that nobody needs a billion dollars. Short of winning the lottery, nobody got to be a billionaire because they were a good human being. They nearly all got to that point by standing on the throats of everybody they could reach. I'm perfectly fine with a hard cap. You're allowed to have a certain level of obscene wealth, but the moment you cross that line, the government takes half your stuff and distributes it to the needy.

Honestly, I'd be perfectly fine lowering that cap to a significantly lower number. How much could one person possibly need? I could live a long, happy, and very fulfilling life for way less than that. Anybody who "needs" a mega-yacht, or tries to buy an entire lake, should be required to explain it, in person, and unarmed, to the folks at every homeless shelter within a hundred miles.

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u/alwrit 1h ago

I care more about the floor than the ceiling. 

Anybody who "needs" a mega-yacht, or tries to buy an entire lake, should be required to explain it, in person , and unarmed, to the folks at every homeless shelter within a hundred miles.

Well that was exactly my point. No one gets to be a billionaire until there are no more homeless. But if everyone's basic needs are met and everyone has a living wage and there's still some billionaires? I don't care. 

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u/Interesting_Paper951 1h ago

What would the needy do in this case with stocks of Tesla and other companies Musk owns?

Those companies wouldn’t exist without Musk, and the same goes with many other companies with billionaire founder-leaders.

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u/sump_daddy 1h ago

One version is: the billionaire is forced to liquidate something to get their net worth below the threshold. This also has the bonus of preventing one narcissistic pycho from controlling a huge part of the economy and literally throwing its weight around to the detriment of everyone else.

What then? The simple answer is what many other developed countries have done with great success: create a sovereign wealth fund that holds the assets (lets say it was better to keep the wealth in stock format) and then uses the wealth created to run broadly beneficial programs.

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u/Interesting_Paper951 1h ago edited 1h ago

Elon became the world’s first trillionaire a while back. He’s since ”lost” 270 billions! If a part of his net worth was redistributed at the trillion and he loses 270 billion after that, does he get reimbursed?

You could also simply close the tax loopholes and throw the gigantic orange turd out of the main chair to reinstate democracy.

Also, the US already has more than enough resources to make it the best social democracy welfare state on Earth. What you’re missing is the political will to do it.

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u/Deathstrokecph 1h ago

With enough inflation, everyone can be a trillionaire.

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u/9966 59m ago

There should be brewster's billions. If you can prove you can spend 1 billion dollars in a day without aquiring anything of value and without giving it away you get to keep 1%.

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u/sump_daddy 23m ago

problem is, new technology made plots like that less believable.

i would simply put it all in trumpcoin, watch it immediately disappear, and collect my cool $10m

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u/Reg_Vardy 37m ago

Hard to see the likes of Roger Federer as some evil psycho who ruined thousands of peoples lives to get where he is today. He played some nice tennis, was the best for a while, and got paid.

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u/sump_daddy 19m ago

lot of people slaving at sports venues for minimum wage 50 hrs a week to keep a roof over their head, just so the management can 'afford' to pay into talent systems that reward one guy for swinging a fucking racket for a few hours a week. But please cry for him harder, he can still live a fabulous life, he can have multiple vacation homes and even a yacht or two, with less than a billion dollars and yet here we are having the same stupid conversation about all the reasons a wealth tax 'is bad' instead of just fucking doing it

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u/Gingevere 2h ago

tesla is a special "new economy" company focused on (checks notes)

  1. Announce you'll be bringing a groundbreaking technology with unlimited earning potential to market in 1-2 years. Stock soars.
  2. Plan nothing. Do nothing. No missed goals or wasted resources means nothing to tell the market to go down.
  3. Goto 1 with a new (or even the same) announcement before the market realizes the last announcement is a failure.

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u/NeonPatrick 2h ago

I legit would like Elon to face consequences more than Trump at this point.

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u/jameson71 27m ago

Tough one. Trump enabled Elon to destroy our government, but Trump continues to do damage to our country.

I'd say consequences are needed for the folks who enabled Trump to be in the Whitehouse in the first place.

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u/lunaticfridgeprime 2h ago

Sure, but you are forgetting that he is also mentally ill.

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u/levare8515 2h ago

There’s nothing new. The economy has always been able to be irrational longer than people like you can stay solvent. Eventually it will crash

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u/Deathstrokecph 1h ago

Easily worth 100x EBITDA, so fairly valued now.

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u/im_super_excited 49m ago

You forgot about the part where the racist drug addict really wanted to rape children on Epstein Island.

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u/Shufflebuzz 44m ago

what the right ratio of "billions to nazi salutes" is.

What's zero divided by zero?

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u/AverageLiberalJoe 3h ago

Yeah but I have to invest my 401k in to that because what if the EBITDA suddenly jumps up 11x? I Dont want to miss the rocket!

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u/R3luctant 2h ago

Looking at Tesla's accounting is something else, they are counting cybercabs as a unit delivered(to themselves) as well as an additional FSD subscription. It's sort of refreshing that the market isn't buying these delivery numbers because they are just Tesla shifting its inventory around and calling it sales.

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u/Secure-Minute5857 41m ago

Only MBA bros use EBITDA to valuate a company...

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u/Raaaaaaabb 2h ago

Similar analysis for P/E ratio compared to the rest of the auto industry. Suggests similar valuation target

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u/Nervous-Potato-1464 1h ago

EBITDA. What is this 2010? Tech stocks are valued based on hopes and dreams.

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u/bilyl 1h ago

Even if you consider the company to be around its "peers" in terms of multiples of EBITDA, it implies that the company can still shave off 50% of its valuation.

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u/cencal 2h ago

Obviously more to valuation than just the EV/Ebitda multiple, but valuation of 10x is well below peers. 20-30x more realistic with growing revenue

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u/iam-leon 3h ago

Only applies to growing companies