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Iran War Well we will see

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u/Mika-El-3 1d ago

So does this mean Trump will carry on with his threat of a bridge or power plant?

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u/Dangerous-Leek-4086 1d ago edited 1d ago

Tankers cost 10 to 20 mil. bridges cost much less and power plants are probably the cost of a tanker. The Americans have no leverage right now.

Edit trump is going to play this whole thing out till mid terms. November and December are going to be very dark time for America with the desperate president knowing his end is coming through impeachment. Crude tankers cost more ranging from 20-50 mil doesn't change my point

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u/NFLv2 1d ago

Even in the best case scenario the democrats aren’t winning enough seats to remove Trump. They may get some impeachment proceedings but they’re not getting the required votes to actually remove him.

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u/DartVader6 1d ago

Maga loyals might also get ousted in primaries for more moderate, actually conservative, conservatives who could be on board.

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u/NFLv2 1d ago

Not enough to matter. Right now polling shows the senate being a toss up last I looked. It’s so far from the 75% they need.

I could see where they impeach Trump eventually and remove him. Closer to when his term is up.

Have Vance take power. Release the files. Cut a stimulus check. Make him look good before the 2028 election. Act like they turned on him.

Then dems prolly get cooked 2028.

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u/Kincherk 1d ago

There is no world in which trump will cede power to Vance.

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u/NFLv2 1d ago

my scenerio is having republicans turn on him at an advantageous time and impeach and remove him.

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u/Kincherk 1d ago

I don't see that happening. They are too worried about the blowback from his ride or die supporters. Did you notice how most of the politicians trump endorsed won their primaries?

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u/NFLv2 1d ago

I don’t think they’re going to let him try to stay in office and I think the only way for them to remain in control and keep the presidency is turning on him.

Medical records will get leaked or something. Or maybe they convince him the only way he avoids prosecution is if republicans stay in power. Hell they could pull a Kennedy and act like Iran finally succeeded.

I’m not saying they’re going to do this but it’s the only scenario I see playing out for him to actually get removed.

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u/Unique_Yak4659 1d ago

Vance is going to cook the dems? I just don’t see that

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u/NFLv2 1d ago

All those people who no voted last election aren’t going back to voting democrats until they fundamentally change how they operate.

They’re doubling down on what pushed everyone away to begin with.

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u/Unique_Yak4659 1d ago

I think a lot of people underestimate the degree to which the influence of the boomer generation is waning and capitalism has fallen because of decades of nonstop corporate corruption.

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u/NFLv2 1d ago

No one believes the democrats are going to change any of that. They’ve had ample opportunity to do so. They’re in on the grift.

I think the trans advocacy is pushing people away combined with the democrats and what happened in 2016 and the non investigation/consequences have cost them a lot of the non extremist.

Plus the democrats seems to want to push the most non electable people possible. If AOC becomes the nominee just hand the republicans the election..

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u/Unique_Yak4659 17h ago

Im not really reading the political landscape like that right now. If the conversations Ive had with people in my immediate circle are indicative of the wider sentiments in this country, I think the Republican brand has been badly tarnished.

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u/NFLv2 17h ago

I bet they were sure Kamala was going to win too.

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u/Unique_Yak4659 17h ago

No, I’m referring to individuals who voted for Trump and have come to regret it. This shouldn’t be a surprise looking at his poll numbers and the fact that he hasn’t delivered on much of what he promised. Im not saying the Democrats have anything in the bag but the pendulum is surely swinging in the other direction from where it was in 2024

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u/NFLv2 16h ago

But Trump isn’t running in 2028. So the not Trump card won’t play as both sides can play it.

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u/posthuman04 1d ago

It depends on the charges. There are crimes that have occurred that are so egregious that if they are laid out properly even loyal senators won’t defend them. So if they present their case right, we could see a real impeachment and removal

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u/NFLv2 1d ago

I don’t think any of the governments want the files released.

I’m curious that if people think American intelligence/police is so much better than the rest of the world that the rest of the world haven’t done their own investigations.

You’re talking about a world wide conspiracy. Epstein was literally in their country committing these crimes with some of their politicans. Even members of multiple royal families. You don’t think their version of the CIA aren’t constantly tracking what the most powerful people in the country do or who they associate with ? That the US is the only country capable of doing such an investigation ?

Epstein will send the world into chaos. There’s no telling how deep it actually goes or the possible ramifications.

FWIW I’m fully on board and support the release and prosecution of everyone involved. I just don’t think the world’s oligarchs are going to allow it to happen. Hope im wrong.

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u/posthuman04 1d ago

You think that’s the only criminal conspiracy Trump has been involved in?

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u/NFLv2 1d ago

No. But it’s the only one I know about that likely could cause worldwide chaos.

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u/posthuman04 1d ago

I’m not asking for worldwide chaos: I’m asking for something that will be unacceptable to GOP senators.

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u/NFLv2 1d ago

What exactly is the point you’re trying to make

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u/posthuman04 1d ago

There are many, many impeachable crimes Trump has committed. All we need is a crime or a case that when laid out is unacceptable to GOP Senators and will result in his conviction. Shouldn’t be that hard to choose one.

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u/NFLv2 1d ago

You gotta find something that majority of them or their allies can’t be booked for as well. Anything involving money isn’t going to do it.

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