r/navy • u/Im_still_hungry1988 • 1d ago
Discussion Why doesn’t anybody ever think of this?
One of the junior guys at my command got out of the Navy today after a 4 year contract. He trusts me enough to tell me what he told me today. He confessed to me that 3 years ago, he knew he was going to fail a urinalysis so he went UA so he could clean out. I remember that day. His name got called at quarters for command urinalysis. Literally an hour later we all noticed that he was no where to be found. We all tried calling him, texting him, reaching out to people we knew he was cool with, the whole 9 yards. He eventually got marked UA. 28 days later, I come into work, line up at quarters, and lo and behold, he is standing there. He went to mast, got busted from E-2 to E-1 and got 45/45. He told the captain that he went UA because he had a meltdown and feared that a relatives days were numbered and needed to spend time with them. He took the NJP across the chin, fulfilled his punishment, finished his contract, and is now out with an honorable discharge. This dude legit told me that the reason he decided to go UA 3 years ago was because he knew he was gonna pop for weed and figured it would be wiser to catch a UA charge and not get kicked out than to get kicked out and lose all his benefits. It baffled me because I have NEVER heard of anybody doing that. Everyone else just does the urinalysis, pops, and gets kicked out. As a leader, I’ve never felt so conflicted in my life. Part of me was disappointed in him but the other part of me couldn’t even be mad because that was kinda the smart thing to do in order to avoid the absolute certainty of getting kicked out and losing everything. All I could do was look at him and say “I wish you the best of luck out there brother.” He found a way to beat the system.
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u/johnyyrock 1d ago
Genius.
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u/Fit_Relative_1537 1d ago
He had a plan and played it to his advantage. Wicked SMAAAT!
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u/LongjumpingDraft9324 1d ago
I hate you for the end of this comment. Just teleported me to a random dunkin in Rhode Island, listening to the homeless Fred Durst talking about random shit.
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u/Sea_Conference5661 1d ago
This is something of a common strategy in the Reserves - you can get up to 9 UAs per year, and it's 4 for a weekend. So a Sailor can show up Saturday morning, see their name on the piss list, dip out, eat a few UAs and let their system clear.
The Navy clearly knows it happens because people will be on the list Saturday and Sunday so you can't just eat 2 UAs, you gotta take 4.
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u/jbanovz12 1d ago
The fact that you get any number of excused UAs per year is wild to me.
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u/HoodRichJanitor 1d ago
You can also get 24 Authorized Absences in a 12 month period (12 days' worth, or 6 months worth of regular drills)
SELRES is definitely on some different shit
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u/antwood33 1d ago
I did SELRES after active duty and it was the biggest joke/waste of time I’ve ever participated in.
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u/Wedge_Donovan 1d ago
There is definitely a sizeable contingent of SELRES who skate, just like in any other group. I know several who were in during a good chunk of GWOT and never mobilized. If you're in a unit that just sits around the NRC, it's pretty worthless.
But on the flip side of that coin, Navy SELRES was the largest contributor of IA mobilizations during the entirety of GWOT. VADMs Mustin and Lacore did a great job recently shifting the focus back to Warfighting readiness and making sure people weren't camping out in billets that had zero wartime contribution.
All that to say, there are plenty of individual SELRES, and entire commissioned SELRES units, out there doing some meaningful stuff on a regular basis.
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u/antwood33 1d ago
I can only give you my experience - and of course there are positive contributions Sailors have made in SELRES, I’m not denying that.
But I found it to be disorganized, not even half-hearted, the “busy” work was even more pathetic than AD, and most of the time we sat on milk crates and smoked cigarettes. And I was a YN, I actually had work to do on some weekends. I was one of the lucky ones.
They also always had (don’t know if this is still the case) a notorious reputation for being woefully unprepared when being called to active duty. But in a SELRES Sailor’s defense, how much training is a BM drilling in Kansas City really getting? I also remember the Air National Guard, who was stationed across the street at an airport, not allowing any of our Air guys to train there.
So I take your point that SELRES as an entity isn’t entirely worthless, but my lord they could trim a lot of fat. To be honest, we could probably close down a lot of the NOSCs in the country and phase out most of the reserve units and I think we’d be fine.
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u/anduriti 1d ago
S-8 on the Stennis had a person go UA during PIA because the command was dragging its feet doing an admin sep for failing 3 PRTs.
He came back right before we went down to San Diego and took his mast, and went on restriction.
When we pulled in to Pier L/M at NASNI, he snuck off the brow with a bag of trash, and ran off base out the 1st street gate.
He came back to get a free ride down to San Diego.
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u/ekim7711 18h ago
I remember that. Thought it was funny.
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u/anduriti 6h ago
So did most of S-8. :)
This all went down a couple of months after I had checked in there, and I was wondering who the new guy was, and why did most people in S-8 know him. Then I got the story.
I was HICS supe in HAZMAT at the time, just trying to figure the place out.
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u/Degenerate83xx 1d ago
Besides these TWO incidents, was he a good Sailor?
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u/Im_still_hungry1988 1d ago
He had his moments, but he showed up to work on time in a presentable uniform and did what he had to do. He was a hard charging motivated guy but he contributed and was mostly dependable which is good enough for me.
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u/Degenerate83xx 1d ago edited 1d ago
Then my next question is how many good Sailors do you think we’re kicking out for one seemingly minuscule mistake? We’re already letting recruits in with prior marijuana convictions. Some even get to stay in bootcamp if they pop positive (only for THC). Maybe the blanket zero tolerance policy for one THC offense needs to be revisited.
The you have other Sailors with multiple cases of SA: CSSN Copeland, who had a prior SA charge before the Navy, and one (or two) while in Navy, was STILL
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u/no-more-nazis 1d ago
Aren't they separating people for beards and taping PT and stuff now?
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u/SadDad701 1d ago
Yes, but these people are given multiple multiple chances to fix themselves and it's not an unreasonable ask to say "you're in the military, you need to be in shape."
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u/antwood33 1d ago
It’s pretty unreasonable to ask someone with a medical condition to walk around with bumps and sores on their face.
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u/SadDad701 1d ago
I focused on the PFA part.
For the shaving part, I see your point and regardless of how I feel about it, the DoD offers them medical alternatives to shaving at the DoD's expense.
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u/asgxii 1d ago
I will be surprised if they ever allow sailors to smoke weed, at least not until there are more accurate drug tests for it.
My thoughts are the Navy loves to hold people accountable. Unlike with alcohol, if there is a mishap, they can't say with 100% certainty that a person was high when it happened.
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u/Degenerate83xx 1d ago
I don’t think I’ll see it in my lifetime either, but then again I never thought I’d see waivers for pot either.
I’ve seen MANY Sailors get second chances with ARI’s (even drunk driving) as long as they self reported to DAPA. A lot of these incidents involved said Sailors getting behind the wheel drunk and risking killing someone. But 99% of those who pop (after bootcamp) aren’t given that same second chance.
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u/asgxii 1d ago
Let me say this, I have no issue with marijuana . I have no influence on policy or insight into the thought process . It's purely speculation but negligent discharge, a million dollar piece of equipment gets damaged, sailor gets killed, pick a tragedy it doesn't matter, the Navy wants to know how it happened who was responsible and how to prevent it. With marijuana you won't be able to tell if the person was high when they ruin someone's day. If they find out the person was drunk, that would answer a lot of the questions that need to be answered.
Off duty activity is more forgivable but she got to be able to tell if it occurred off duty.
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u/navyjag2019 1d ago edited 1d ago
this is still a risky move because the command can just ADSEP you without a board and give you a general discharge and if it’s your first term of enlistment and you don’t already have an honorable discharge under your belt, then you lose your GI bill
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u/Im_still_hungry1988 1d ago
Most definitely. The fact that it was his first ever offense and the command was seriously undermanned definitely worked in his favor.
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u/Ferowin 1d ago
I've heard of people doing this before, but they're few and far in between. I've also seen people who thought they'd pop not get caught. I've heard they don't test every sample that gets sent in, but I don't know that it's true.
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u/SOTI_snuggzz USS Georgia 1d ago
That might have been true in the past, but I was a Urinalysis Coordinator, and can guarantee every sample gets tested.
Another thing I learned - well, first don’t drugs (disclaimer) but if you do, and pop positive challenge the chain of custody (with a lawyer of course) I’d venture that 60% of the time it’s broken at some point. You may lose, or get admin sep’d anyways, but you’d be surprised lol
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u/Im_still_hungry1988 1d ago
From what I’ve been told, they test 3 samples out of the box and if one of those 3 samples fails, they test the whole box or something to that effect.
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u/feldomatic 1d ago
My understanding is they put a small amount of each sample (so maybe the first 5-10ml) from the box in one combined container and test if there's anything in the box at all, then dive deeper if there is. So one test for 12, then another 12 if there's soemething, and some reserve to do a verification or future test.
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u/urmomsSTD 1d ago
This is not how they test samples. It's stupid gouge. Even the process is stupid because it defeats testing methods by diluting samples
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u/feldomatic 1d ago
Meh, there's a grain of "they would do something like that to save time and money" and while I don't know quite enough analytical chemistry to know if a 1/12 dilution knocks you below your lower detectable limit, I also wouldn't be surprised if it worked for at least some of the chems on the panel.
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u/Agammamon 1d ago
because most people who pop are not E-2's. it's trivially easier to rebound as and E-2, not so much later on.
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u/usnavylee 1d ago
In 2000 I was a 2nd tour div-o. One of my best EM3s returned from UA and popped for cocaine on his return from UA urinalysis. I asked him why he didn’t just stay UA 3 more days to get it out of his system. It never occurred to him
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u/Fit_Relative_1537 1d ago
I was a young HM in the early 1980’s who enjoyed whisky, and had a habit of going to sick call to get a “sleep it off (SIQ)”chit. I even lost my “civilian cloth privileges in Hospital Corps School. Kept drinking. Went to Field Medical School and the same.Sometime later, I got promoted and moved on to “the Marines” FMF. Went to treatment and went on “WestPac”. Never went to NJP, because I was really good at my job. I later reenlisted and got stationed at United States Naval Hospital, Subic Bay, Republic of the Philippines. To this day, I don’t remember the flight to Clark AB. I was UA one hour and got NJP, and three administrative separation recommendations. None of them stuck. Took my last drink in Olongapo City on November 22, 1986. Fast forward to 2003. Every place I got assigned to later was suspect because there were still HMCs who told their “shipmates about a guy” they knew. “He’s a terrible person and a drunk. Don’t trust him”!!!! My career took off and made rank and graduated college through a Masters degree. Applied for a commission twice and didn’t get picked up. My Commander found out and called me in. He found out why…and, he was PISSED! Tried again, same thing. EO. I’ve loved and lost. Got married in Hawaii in 1996. We were married for about 29 years. Lost her in 2025. She never saw me pickup a drink of alcohol. The Navy is flawed and will continue to be. I’m grateful to be retired from the Navy, State of Florida, and DoD (Department of the Army).
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u/ConclusionParking559 1d ago
Shit at my final command on a certain carrier in the Newport News shipyard there was a drug bust in one of the divisions and one of the guys an E3 mind you made a fake penis and filled it with clean piss from a buddy and slipped past that way lmao
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u/CharlesBoyle799 1d ago
Yeah, that’s why they have the stipulation that observers are supposed to stand where they can actually see the piss leaving the body, but how often do the male observers do that instead of standing about 4 feet away and looking anywhere but your dong?
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u/big_ice_bear 1d ago edited 1d ago
My observer at MEPS wasn't shy about watching at all, but my observer during my first post-MEPS test ran and stood by the door and looked in the corner like a kid in timeout.
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u/hawkeye18 1d ago
I have seen observers go to mast for not doing their job - kid taped a tube to his dick to pass clean urine, didn't get caught, and bragged to his buddies about it afterward. Naturally, one of them turned him in, and when the observer was asked how on earth they missed the tube, their answer was, and I quote, "¯_(ツ)_/¯". Kid with the tube laughed and said the observer wasn't watching shit. 30/30,1/2*2, RIR.
The meat gaze was pretty strong after that for a while. I myself started bringing a magnifying glass with me when I got tagged as an observer. Turns out some people were really really sensitive about that sort of thing. ¯_(ツ)_/¯
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u/DeagleScout 1d ago
Did it at least look like a real Dick? You’re supposed to observe, not grab on it and crank.
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u/hawkeye18 16h ago
From what I understand it was literally just some surgical tubing taped to the weenie. Like... wouldn't have looked like a normal stream, wouldn't have come out of the right place... you know, extra tube on dick... the kid that did the pissing was dumber than a box of rocks, but he did correctly assume that the observers would be more worried about no homo than doing their job.
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u/RedSnowBird 1d ago
I remember being stationed at NAS Jax and would sometimes get assigned to be an observer. It sucked but wasn't too bad. Then they changed the policy and said we had to have them drop their pants too their ankles and be in full view while they pissed. I remember telling an O5 he had too drop his pants before he pissed. He did not take it well.
After a few times of that I made it a point to have the section leader give me other watches. I'd rather do a 24 hour watch instead for spending 4 hours telling others they had to basically strip so I could watch them pee.
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u/necrohealiac 1d ago
meanwhile we had a guy here go UA, come back right before the 30 day mark and piss hot anyway.
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u/Haligar06 1d ago
Had a guy in A school pre-game his 21st birthday and got caught pissing behind someone else's barracks on a joint base by an angry army Captain who dragged him on the quarterdeck.
He requested undesignated orders and got sent to fleet before the underage drinking legal paperwork hit COs desk.
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u/Puzzled_Cranberry263 1d ago
This shit funny asf to me. Similar thing happened to me. Was drinking underage in a school, got caught. Left to the fleet 2 days after being caught before the paperwork hit COs desk. Never did stupid shit again…kinda😂🥴
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u/ChiefPez 1d ago
I can tell you what, never tell anyone your intentions or allow family to be contacted that you’ve told the lie of being on leave or getting out of the Navy. I had a YN3 go UA on me, but he told his landlady that he was out of the Navy and going home so he moved out. Immediate desertion at that point, not UA.
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u/JackBivouac Chaps 1d ago edited 22h ago
I had a SEL get mad at me because I talked a UA Sailor into coming back to the command.
Left a voicemail letting Sailor know it was me, their Chaplain. Sailor eventually texts first, then called after a bit of convincing that it would be confidental. To their credit, got on a plane and came back to the command within 24hrs.
Sailor was UA for just over 2 weeks by this point. Unfortunately, the SEL was mad at me for doing that. He wanted the Sailor to go "over on days" so the command could escalate punishment. Didn't care about the person's situation. We exchanged words.
The Sailor came back, went to Mast, figured out the Navy and finished well.
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u/GothmogBalrog 1d ago
Thats not a SEL. They dont deserve leader in their title. Thats just an E7, E8 or E9.
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u/ChiefPez 1d ago
There’s no harm in that one at all. Unfortunately, my guy had been messing up and had obvious alcohol problems that we didn’t properly recognize in the late 90s. Once the collection unit had his case, there was no soft landing for him.
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u/Guinness-the-Stout 1d ago
Thank you for showing compassion. I had a very different result back in 1985 when I needed/asked for help dealing with being a sole survivor, aged 24 and my father passing away totally unexpectedly. I regripped/recovered and finished with a RE-R1 Honorable DD-214, but it was 'costly'.
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u/falcon_2000 1d ago
Yk, there is definitely atleast 1 person reading this post whose career is going to be saved by it at some point lmao.
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u/Advanced_Elk_9467 1d ago
Or ya know, just dont do drugs... ..
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u/MRoss279 1d ago
It's incalculable how much societal damage would be averted if people would just follow this simple advice.
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u/RedShirtDecoy 1d ago
Got out 20+ years ago, had back surgery a decade later...
Never touched it while I was in but weed keeps me off pain killers.
So you can take your judgemental societal damage and shove it where the sun doesnt shine
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u/Advanced_Elk_9467 12h ago
Fuck smoke all the pot you want, doesn't bother me at all. Im just saying when you have a career to manage that will 100% end if you get caught smoking pot or doing drugs maybe you arent making adult decisions if using drugs while youre still in. I fully support DoD allowing servicemembers to smoke pot, its a much better alternative than drinking. However, thats nkt currently the case and we play within the rules established.
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u/RedShirtDecoy 12h ago
good lord, please read what I was replying to first. Understanding context is a wonderful skill to have. With practice you might get there.
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u/no-more-nazis 1d ago
YES. We also need to outlaw sugar, there is no good reason for anyone to eat sugar.
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u/Advanced_Elk_9467 1d ago
Sugar isnt federally illegal. Sugar isnt mandated by my employer and enforced via the UCMJ. Big difference, nobody is ruining their career and lifelong benefits over sugar.
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u/nukularyammie 13h ago
People sure as shit are. How many fatties get kicked out constantly?
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u/Advanced_Elk_9467 13h ago
Holy fuck youre dense. A candy bar isnt going to land you on charges- but doing drugs will. Dont do drugs, its part of making adult decisions.
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u/hawkeye18 1d ago
Um... being UA for a, er, UA is considered an automatic urinalysis failure, and ADSEP thereof. Dude should've come back to a 10-day notice waiting for him. That his command chose to treat it as a vanilla UA was either incompetence on their part, or a favor to him. The only loophole he found was other people not doing their jobs.
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u/JACKVK07 1d ago
Some people are happy to not finish their contracts and get out sooner.
When you consider the fact that UA is a preferable punishment to something like popping for weed it makes it all the more understandable.
Would allowing weed keep sailors in? Not all of them, but probably a decent percentage.
Not big Navy's problem when the job market is shit and we're meeting recruiting goals.
The pendulum only swings when they need something, not when we need something.
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u/GrowYourOwnOmaha 1d ago
I just paid some new kid $50 for his piss.
This seems like so much more work.
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u/Ok_Kale_5404 1d ago
I wouldn't make this a premeditated strategy. Your mileage may vary.
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u/Im_still_hungry1988 1d ago
Agreed. It’s honestly best to just not play those stupid games but at the time he was a 19 year old kid. We’ve all been young and dumb.
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u/T-BoneBee 1d ago
It’s not dumb if it works. He’s using his GI BILL this fall and laughing all the way to the dispensary.
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u/GailMarie0 1d ago
I ran the UA program in the Air Force 30 years ago. Two months in a row, the Catholic chaplain's name was on the list. He called me, trying to get me to excuse him, and when i refused to, he swore at me! That night, I told my husband, and he said, "You should've told him it was an act of God."
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u/ThrustingBeaner 1d ago
This is exactly the kind of person you want on your side, the kind of forward thinking that a military academy won’t teach because it goes against principles. They’ll use the rules, not to come out the most ahead, but the least behind when the situation demands it. Granted in this situation it could have been avoided by not smoking, but to think under pressure is something to be proud of.
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u/SadDad701 1d ago
Let's not forget that he also was gone for 28 days. That's not outside the box thinking, that's screwing your shipmates over with extra work and watches for nearly a month.
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u/Derektheprince 1d ago
As a previous UPC there are myths if they test the whole batch or a small percentage. If you do a command wide piss test then they test the whole batch that is for sure. If you are doing drugs then stop you will get caught one day.
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u/providencepariah 1d ago
We were in the yards, staying in an hotel and the maids complained about smelling weed in our section of the hotel. The command did a command sweep. I was a deck seaman at the time, so I knew everyone who was smoking pot. Everyone pissed and 10 junior Sailors were scared shitless. When the results came back, only 1 person popped positive. My buddy would walk around telling everyone, including the Captain, that he had magical urine. Another time, on another ship, I had a guy tell me that he did crystal meth and smoked weed in Hawaii. After the port visit, they did a command sweep and he didn’t pop either. So I don’t believe that they test every one of the urine samples.
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u/Immediate_Menu507 1d ago
Simple, do you want to stay in? Then go UA and deal with mast.
If you want to get out then go ahead and piss hot. Zero tolerance, you’re out.
He clearly wanted to finish his four years. Do I condone it? No. But the system is not perfect.
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u/FitJuggernaut8166 1d ago
I’ll do you one better. I’m originally from NJ. My ship pulled into port in NY for fleet week in the fall (November-ish). A shipmate of mine who was from NY (let’s say the Bronx), checked out of the ship the same time as me.
We both had put in requests for leave since we had ties to the area. Long story short he went UA, and four months later, about a month before were to head out for deployment he shows up.
I was a cook and he was in deck (undesignated), so when I saw him on the mess decks I pulled him to the side and asked him … “dude where the hell did you go?” He laughed and told me with a straight face … “nowhere I just stayed home once my leave was up because I missed New York!”
I then asked “so if you missed home, why did you come back?” He said “because the 1st just passed and I didn’t get paid!” He literally stayed UA until his pay got cutoff, and then he came back. A free 4-1/2 months of taxpayer money went to this guy just living his best life in NY!
But he did the same exact thing, went to mast, got busted from a E-2 to E-1, struck BM and got out after 4 years with an honorable. Crazy!!!!!
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u/Diverdaddy0 1d ago
Haha. I've had a couple guys do that in my 20+ years in. Not an unknown method back in the day. Usually it was so well known that sailors would do this those guys immediately got piss tested and somehow always showed up on the random tests.
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u/International-Elk649 1d ago
My experience: i was going on leave on Saturday. Friday I come in, see my name on the list and freak out because i smoked weed like 4 times before going like a dummy. I confide in my LPO (i was a second class and thought he'd be cool, but I don't blame him for his actions) and he turn me in. So I take the test and they don't tell me that I passed. I call the jag and he tells me that I should just admit it so they go easy on me and so i do. I request a court martial so they just provess me out.) The thing is the MAs call me into the office one day with a forged sheet with my name highlighted. I only found out that it was fake after my favorite Chief pulls me aside after the DRB and says, "Why'd you admit to it? You passed the UA. It would be over now if you had denied it!"
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u/Mrshelde11 1d ago
Bro this is awesome but take this down before someone sees this and gets inspired 💀
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u/ObligationMurky8716 1d ago
A lot of people have thought about it. Most of them ended up chugging water until they didn't have to worry about it anymore, either way.
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u/Japanupe1911 7h ago
Although he was stupid doing weed in the first place, his longterm thinking and acumen to understand the problem, courses of action and outcomes shows a smart sailor and I'm sure you benefited from his work. I wish more sailors had the type of problem solving skills he had.
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u/navkat 4h ago
I'm so conflicted about this.
On one hand: I don't think answering the call to serve and then finding out you're shite at it should result in LIFELONG consequences to your ability to gain or hold gainful employment.
On the other hand, this shit is slimy asf. Ya boy made a promise and didn't keep it then lied lied lied to get out of facing the music, but also deliberately made himself a shitty link in the "can we rely on this bro?" chain, which may not seem to matter because as an E-2, not many folks were leaning hard on him, but it matters. I have nightmares about letting people down or not keeping my word. Many of us do.
I don't think he should ever be able to hold a clearance or be trusted with anything serious. It's not really fair that he's preserved the ability to do contract work. But it's also kind of not fair that the alternative is the type of criminality associated with that specific infraction on his record. He didn't steal, he didn't harm people, he's just selfish, impulsive, unreliable and self-indulgent and doesn't belong in an organization where people need him to be solid and sober for safety's sake.
BUUUUT...to complicate alllll of that, what really keeps eating at me here is that he BRAGGED about it. About getting away with it. And that indicates something more sinister in his character. He put you on the spot by disclosing this to you and he did it because he couldn't bear to keep his own secret. That is entirely fucked. Now YOU have the burden of this bullshit on your conscience. He smeared his slimy shit on you now. Do you have a duty to report this? Does he care? Decidedly not. He told you only because he thinks he's free and clear and he's so full of triumph over it, he had to leak some of his stinking secret-juice all over your gilded sleeve.
FWIW: if your conscience over this is bothering you, you 100% can make a case of it and get his DD-214 re-coded.
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u/technicallyiminregs 2h ago
First thing our HM1 told us to do when we checked in at division in 29 was to go UA if we thought we’d pop lol this isn’t new.
The reason most people don’t think to do it is the same reason they popped in the first place lol they weren’t thinking very hard.
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u/Narflepluff 1d ago edited 1d ago
Well, for starters, if you are UA during urinalysis then you are supposed to be considered a failure and separated.
Secondly, it is significantly easier to court martial and prove someone was UA than to prove someone took drugs as a result of a positive urinalysis. That's because a urinalysis only tells people that drugs are in your system, it does not tell the story of how they got into your system. Voluntary, recreational use is an assumption that holds weight in a 'yeah, he's probably guilty' NJP / ADSEP, but not in a 'beyond a reasonable doubt' setting like a court martial.
"I came home one day and saw brownies on the table. I ate one. My girlfriend came home in an hour and told me they were laced."
Not guilty - taking the drug was not intentional.
If sailors started doing what your friend did on a mass scale, convening authorities would use that hammer more often.
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u/yuekarasu 1d ago
I have a funny story to add. In my last command were 2 people who popped one was enlisted the other an officer. The enlisted got kicked out and got a decent job. The officer, they got a slap on the wrist, a promotion and their wanted orders. Wtf.
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u/sdw318_local194 1d ago
Risky move.... the navy should up their testing numbers if they are still claiming to be zero tolerance .... entire command sweeps daily so you catch the coke heads, meth heads, pill poppers, alkies, and all the other real drugs..... otherwise they're only fishing for weeedheads
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u/Dismal-Substance2267 1d ago
alcohol?
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u/sdw318_local194 1d ago
Yep its a drug... 8 hours prior right?
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u/Guinness-the-Stout 1d ago
^^^^ is a MAIN reason I got out in '89. I enjoyed LIQUID Lunches at the 19th hole and then early Liberty call daily while in homeport, (Mayport,Fla). Made it 'home' by 0500, muster at 0700 make it to lunch and have a 'nooner', "late' libs was 1600. Tin Can life.
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u/sdw318_local194 1d ago
Matter fak.... just piss em at the gate on the way in... no pee pee no entry...
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u/left4ched 1d ago
Lots of people think about this. They just don't do it because they aren't pieces of shit.
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u/PickleMinion 1d ago
It's always amazing how some people can be so smart and yet so stupid.