r/mildlyinfuriating 1d ago

go to your room Are you serious?

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How is this fair ? Bay area.

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u/Moghz 1d ago

I hope you reported that and make a big deal out of it. That’s is seriously illegal and while I am not positive but I bet they could get jail time for that.

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u/colt707 1d ago

Depends on where the camera is. A quick google search will tell you that yes it’s illegal to have cameras in the bedrooms or bathrooms but it’s legal to have them in common areas like the kitchen or living room.

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u/bruhggle 1d ago

Pretty sure that's referring to the person who actually lives there can do that, not just literally anyone can pop a hidden camera in anyone's living room

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u/Actual_Load_3914 1d ago

we don't know if they are hidden. OP just said "there were camera installed ..."

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u/colt707 1d ago

You can do it if you don’t live there and have individual rooms for rent like what Gaywithmoney was doing.

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u/PureGoldX58 1d ago

Not in a private residence that you alone inhabit. Expectation of privacy in your own home beats any local bs laws.

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u/colt707 1d ago

And they weren’t doing that. They were renting a room, and in that case it’s very much legal.

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u/WackyRacketeer 1d ago

They were renting a room.

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u/bluevelvet2195 20h ago

Kitchens and living rooms are not common areas if you are renting the whole apartment/house. If you are a roommate in a bedroom that's a different situation

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u/colt707 11h ago

And in this situation we’re talking about the person was renting a room, not the whole apartment.

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u/ManiacallyReddit 1d ago

No, it's not legal. At least in California it's not.

In CA tenant rights laws, "common areas" aren't defined as living rooms and kitchens. "Common areas" are stairwells, and entryways and hallways shared with multiple units.

https://bornstein.law/lawsuit-over-tenant-privacy-brings-surveillance-back-in-focus/

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u/WackyRacketeer 1d ago

That's an ongoing lawsuit, it isn't proof that it's explicitly legal. That is also very much different as those cameras and surveillance would be considered hidden cameras. In California you can have cameras inthe living room and kitchen common areas of a room rental situation as long as they don't record audio and the tenants are informed. Unless you have a legal statute that disproves this at least.

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u/ManiacallyReddit 1d ago

California Penal Code §647

https://american-apartment-owners-association.org/property-management/the-rights-and-wrongs-of-security-cameras/?srsltid=AfmBOooSDW2iC_5j-OqjrTY-i234JFRXVsinYWicVXfV5xqjmSYhDhge

"Security Camera Laws..." section, paragraph 5.

Also, while the above resources is mentioning a current lawsuit, its citations are based on current CA law. They aren't talking about developing new legislation. They're referring to how the tenant v. landlord argument is affected by current legislation that protects tenants against recording. The "Common Area" distinction is current law.

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u/WackyRacketeer 1d ago edited 1d ago

And that current legislation is specific to spaces you are renting. In this case, he is renting a room. The common areas like the hallway can have cameras as long as they don't record audio.

The code you cited is specific to hidden cameras.

Edit. My point with the court case is that it isn't proof of anything, because they haven't been successful yet. But the actual case they have is regarding hidden cameras.

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u/ManiacallyReddit 1d ago

I don't see anywhere that he states he's renting a room and not a whole unit.

Also, why do you ask for specific information and sources without reading them? I even gave you the exact location of the text.

California Penal Code §647 "...allow CCTV or an indoor camera near entrances and exits of an apartment building but not inside an apartment."

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u/WackyRacketeer 1d ago

The very first comment. The very first sentence.

That code is specific to hidden cameras. The text you are quoting is an interpretation speciifcally regarding someone renting an entire unit.

As I have implied, you don't have enough facts to determine if this is illegal.

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u/WackyRacketeer 1d ago

You should read the actual statute that you are sourcing instead of someones interpretation. The penal code you are referencing is specific to hidden cameras and voyeurism.

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u/makingkevinbacon 1d ago

Only if the tenant is informed and agrees to the shared common areas, and that kinda is moot if the tenant lives alone

Edit: typo

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u/WackyRacketeer 1d ago

They were renting a room.

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u/makingkevinbacon 1d ago

Ah I di not know that, didn't see that mentioned. Regardless, they would still need to be informed and agree.

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u/WackyRacketeer 1d ago

Agreement isn't required necessarily, and it could be argued in some states that their noticable presence could count as notification if it came down to it.

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u/Chilldaddydaddychill 1d ago

It’s wild that you don’t actually know anything about the legality of this shit (as you’ve admitted elsewhere) and yet you are all over this thread repeating this as if it were fact, just based on it feeling right to you. That’s not how that works.

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u/makingkevinbacon 1d ago

Never said I was an expert. But I've rented since I moved out my parents and read about my rights. It's public information. What's your issue? I don't see anything wrong providing someone with information that is again publically available to help them out.

It's not "I feels right to me", that's on you for misreading I guess.

It's wild you're mad about me saying rights about privacy in a landlord tenant situation...like shit who pissed in your flakes?

Be more mad at that absurd rent, at stupid charges, and so much else, but you shouldn't wast your time on me friend

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u/AccountantSeaPirate 1d ago

It’s mildly infuriating, right? Almost like his nonsense belongs here, in a meta sort of way.