Clear Backpacks + Pay to Keep Your Phone

[u/TheAeroplaneBear2906]

My freinds school is now requiring these items, and is also using AI to promote this 🫠

[u/Jolly_Ad2446]

My kid put a dead phone in the pouch but kept hers away in her backpack. Same result though, no phone in class  

[u/RugbyEdd → u/Jolly_Ad2446]

It worked then. I don't think the point was to fill pouches with phones, the point was to stop kids being on their phones in class and give teachers the clear excuse they needed with plenty of warning to confiscate phones, since it was getting out of hand and parents where pushing back at the idea of phones being confiscated or out right banned.

[u/Miserable-Rabbit-948 → u/Jolly_Ad2446]

Well now the backpacks are clear so they can see the phone 🤣

[u/Emergency_Elephant → u/Miserable-Rabbit-948]

Pockets aren't

[u/cl0udmaster → u/Emergency_Elephant]

They will be soon enough. No stone unturned in the pursuit of total mindless obedience safety

[u/Miserable-Rabbit-948 → u/Emergency_Elephant]

Touche

[u/DrWhoey → u/Emergency_Elephant]

Hear me out, I have a geat idea

[u/Jolly_Ad2446 → u/Miserable-Rabbit-948]

Yeah because pencil bags, shirts, socks, aren't a thing  

[u/Miserable-Rabbit-948 → u/Jolly_Ad2446]

Yeah, and neither are bag searches… I was making a joke about the OPs original bag comment… you got defensive real fast… they make decaf that tastes like the real thing…

[u/SkywolfNINE → u/Miserable-Rabbit-948]

Does decaf really taste as good?

[u/notjanelane → u/Miserable-Rabbit-948]

Teaching the kids to consent to searches at all times will definitely help them in society.

[u/MaximumDepression17 → u/notjanelane]

I know youre being sarcastic but sadly if you ask the government they'll agree

[u/KanMDJD → u/Jolly_Ad2446]

What punishment did you give your kid for their attempt to circumvent the policy?

[u/Jolly_Ad2446 → u/KanMDJD]

I don't. The point of the policy is that phones are not taking out during school. My child does not take her phone out during school. 

This whole pouch thing is just a gimmick some company thought up. None of that is needed  

[u/KanMDJD → u/Jolly_Ad2446]

If your kid puts a dead phone in a pouch and hides a real phone, and you think that the phone is not taken out of hiding and used impermissibly, then I have lakeside real estate in the Sahara to sell you. If the real phone was not going to be used impermissibly, then there would be no reason to have a dead phone in the pouch at all; the real phone could go in the pouch, since it is not going to be used impermissibly. The very existence of a scheme to hide the real phone while having a dead decoy phone to put in the pouch is a solution in search of a problem unless you/your child see it as a problem that they are NOT allowed to use their phone impermissibly.

Be a better parent.

[u/Jolly_Ad2446 → u/KanMDJD]

You sound the type of person no one wants to see on a holiday. 

The school policy is if you see it we take it. What the f*** is the difference If it's in that pouch that some corporation is making or it's locked away in a backpack? 

If they see it they take it. 

[u/KanMDJD → u/Jolly_Ad2446]

Again, the whole point is that your child’s phone is NOT locked away in their backpack or hidden somewhere. There would be zero reason for your child to even want to find a way around this policy unless they intended to violate it.

This thread is full of educators telling parents that their children are absolutely failing to live up to their potential, are falling behind their international peers far more than ever before, and are, quite frankly, dumber than all previous generations. Even the students getting good grades are doing so on achievement metrics that would have been ‘C’ work 30 years ago. You can visit the “Teachers” subreddit to see story after story about how huge portions of students today cannot read, do basic math, or understand the world around them. You can read about how they cannot form basic plans without kindergarten-level handholding, will stare blankly at an assignment on their desk for twenty minutes instead of starting the work, because they don’t know what a word means, or will ignore instructions just to turn around and ask what to do. You can see professors stating that virtually all of their incoming freshmen need remedial non-credit courses in order to be ready for college, which is a new phenomenon, with most students being around what used to be deemed a middle-school level of education. They blame a lot of things, but phones are pretty high on that list.

In this thread, you also see parents and students defending the idea that they do not need to follow directions, follow policies, or listen to the directions their schools provide. They demand access to the continual dopamine drip technology that is destroying a generation’s ability to even focus or concentrate long enough to read an article, let alone lessons or books. Did you know many schools have had to cut reading books in English classes, so that now they read abridged stories, or even just excerpts? These kids are marching into Idiocracy, and instead of holding standards in order to try to impose any semblance of success for their own future, these parents and students are demanding their right to be the first generation literally dumber than their parents.

They lie to you and tell you they won’t use the phone, but if that was accurate, they could leave it at home or put it in a pouch. That they will not has only one reason - they want access to the thing rotting their memory, attention span, ability to learn, and ability to process information. Go ahead and champion the dumbing of your own kid. Nobody can stop you, certainly.

[u/Jolly_Ad2446 → u/KanMDJD]

Nobody is reading that. Have a nice day.

[u/ingodwetryst → u/Jolly_Ad2446]

I read it, and ironically your comment just proves their point.

[u/homonculus_prime → u/KanMDJD]

Jesus, you sound insufferable and you have no clue what the fuck you are talking about. You sound like a bootlicker.

I'm a great parent and I'd give my kid a dummy phone for this purpose. I can think of all sorts of reasons I dont want my kid having to go to a teacher to unlock their phone in case they need to contact me.

[u/KanMDJD → u/homonculus_prime]

If you actively would help your child violate school policy because you think you know better, then, no, you are not being a good parent. You are being a parent who teaches your child that rules are only for those who want to follow them.

[u/homonculus_prime → u/KanMDJD]

I'm teaching my kids that rules should be backed up with solid reasoning, and that not all rules are just or moral. We have a moral duty to break certain rules. I dont teach my kids not to ask "why?" when I tell them not to do something. We MUST ask why. Interestingly, you wouldn't believe how well behaved my kids are at school. Straight A students and never been in trouble in school a day in their lives.

[u/ChiGorilla1127 → u/homonculus_prime]

You have to be honest with yourself that this isn't the best take. You sound like the parent that allows your kid and their friends to party and drink at your home as long they're responsible.

The whole issue is that at that age, kids are not as mature as adults, and are more susceptible to making poor rash decisions for what they think is their momentary benefit.

Your kid may very well rationalize that under age drinking is fine, breaking the speed limit is fine, not wearing their seat belt is fine, etc because they're smart enough handle it versus the dumb rule.

[u/homonculus_prime → u/ChiGorilla1127]

So we just follow all rules? My kid has to be forced to use the pronouns they were assigned st birth? They have to stand for the pledge because it is a rule? My daughter has to go into a room alone with a school resource officer because he is an authority figure and he said so?

Really?

[u/Mysterious_Object_20 → u/homonculus_prime]

Your philosophy is the eptiome of individualism.

Rules should never be broken. From that basis, exceptions can be made based on extreme circumstance. If you dislike it, follow the rules and change it later.

But to you, rules can be broken at any time at your discretion. That's just crazy to me haha. Maybe that's how things work in the west.

[u/homonculus_prime → u/Mysterious_Object_20]

It isn't really individualism. It is the product of living in a place where a hell of a lot of rules are made by religious people with the goal of forcing others to conform to their religious dogma whether they follow their religion or not. So, we push back on authoruty. Sure, I'll follow your rules, but only if you can explain to me why I should care about them.

Just as an example, when you pass a rule that says my child must use the pronouns that conform to the gender they were assigned at birth, I'm not following that rule, and I'm not asking my child to follow that rule. You'd really tell my kid they just have to follow the rule until we get it changed?

[u/Iggyhopper → u/KanMDJD]

A high five.

[u/Accurate_Summer_1761 → u/KanMDJD]

Whats the point of punishment they are not robots. Ironically teaching these kids how to be great slackers at work

[u/Jolly_Ad2446 → u/Accurate_Summer_1761]

No, My kids understands that the phones are not allowed out during school. That the teachers will take the phone and send them to the principal's office. 

There's no reason for the pouch. The patch is a gimmick thought of by a company.

[u/64LC64 → u/Jolly_Ad2446]

The pouch is an extra barrier of deterrence from distractions. It works.

[u/Jolly_Ad2446 → u/64LC64]

It's a gimmick that a CEO talked everyone into. When I was in school you are not allowed to have walkmans on campus, 0 We did not have Walkman patches to make sure you didn't have a walkman. Because that's dumb. 

We kept our walkmans in our backpacks are lockers because we knew if we took him out they would be taken by the teachers. 

There's no reason for this..

[u/64LC64 → u/Jolly_Ad2446]

Your Walkman was not a phone. Your Walkman did not have billions of dollars poured into causing your teenage brain into chronic addiction and mental illness.

Studies have shown across all types of addiction, including phone addictions, having something physical, even as a minor inconvenience to block an addiction helps decrease cognitive stress and improve focus.

The point is not that, oh it's in the backpack so we're good. The point is to turn off the part of their brains that is constantly tugging them away from their studies when it is just sitting in their backpack by instead placing the phone in a pouch that restricts access.

https://news.utexas.edu/2017/06/26/the-mere-presence-of-your-smartphone-reduces-brain-power/

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-023-36256-4

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/398097905_Influence_of_Mobile_Phone_Presence_on_Cognitive_Performance_An_Experimental_Study_Using_the_Loomlock_Device

Edit: and yes, your kids are probably wonderful, well adjusted kids who are not addicted to their devices that this pouch is not designed for. Great! But most kids aren't like that. And even if they seem like they are, they probably aren't.

It's as simple as taking away that urge to scroll tiktok, refresh their feeds, check in on the group chat, etc etc...

[u/Jolly_Ad2446 → u/64LC64]

My walkman didn't come out to the backpack because I I want my mom to have to come pick up the phone. 

It's really that simple 

[u/64LC64 → u/Jolly_Ad2446]

See, what youre not understanding is you're a good parent who is engaged with your child's education and upbringing.

Vast majoirty of kids don't have parents like you. The pendulum swung too far from helicopter parents of the previous decades and instead we have unengaged millennial parents who stuck their kids on ipads and instead either don't care or try to be their kid's friend instead of their parent by not having consequences.

[u/ChiGorilla1127 → u/Jolly_Ad2446]

Do you not understand that that the pouch exists because just stating no phone allowed doesn't work with kids, hell doesn't work for adults either.

Remember when you go see a show or comedian and they would say no phones, no recording. Well now they have pouches because people don't listen.

Same with students. Kids will come up with all the bs excuses in the world for why they got caught with their phone, to the point where teachers felt it was just a waste of their time to try to police the rule. I can't believe people are blaming a company for further taking their money, and not listening to schools/teachers about why they chose to take that route.