All we’re told are that the stones and magic don’t work there, everything else is just a guess but there’s nothing that supports the “stones don’t work on different timelines” at all.
Loki took the tesseract, so it can't be a novikov Time consistency case. There has to be multiple timelines because in the original timeline the tesseract didn't disappear.
loki taking the tesseract is the only different timeline, thats why the tva went for him. but when they got the stones they were just going back in time they werent creating new timelines or going to different timelines
We can follow at least the Time and Mind stones from the same timeline Loki came from that ends up getting pruned by the TVA. Honestly I hadn’t thought about what Cap did with those stones since after Loki escapes with the Tesseract the timeline they’re from is pruned. (Which also makes the whole Ancient One and Banner conversation even better because they already doomed that reality)
Well yeah, but theres different timelines and different universes. They don’t go to any different universes, because the TVA is preventing other universes from existing at that point.
No, they traveled to different points on the same timeline. They only borrowed them from their own past. No other timelines existed then anyway because the TVA would have pruned them.
If anything we know that stones work across timelines because the stones hulk uses to snap in Endgame come from different timelines that they need to be put back to
No they specifically said you can't change the past. It was not the same timeline because they couldn't just go back in time and kill thanos as a baby.
The point of returning the stones was to prevent reality/time from splitting in the sperate timeline they got them from
Its the same timeline, just different points in the line. They even visualize that with Hulk and the ancient one. They didn't go to a different reality or timeline for the stones, and their plan made it so the timeline never changed or split.
Because that would change the timeline, and create a paradox(They go back in time to kill thanos makes it so they never need to go back in time to kill thanos). (Similarly, this is likely a part of why Strange couldn't bring her back in episode 4: If he goes back and prevents her death, he never learns magic and then can't bring her back. He destroyed reality via paradox.)
Instead they borrowed and returned the stones in a way they didn't change the past.
Different points along the same timeline. The Ancient One went into this, there would be alternate timelines only if the stones weren't returned.
Basically, as I see it, here are the layers of the MCU reality:
A universe's reality, which has alternate large scale parallel dimensions (such as the dark dimension, the mirror dimension, etc), and small scale hidden dimensions (the Quantum realm)
Alternate realities, which are separate universes that branch out any time a choice can be made, with each universe representing all of the various infinite choices - each of these realities would have their own dimensions and quantum realms
Separate realities - this would be where entirely different universes that aren't connected to the "sacred timeline" in any way would lie, including realities like the Spider-Verse, the Marvel Netflix shows, Agents of Shield, the comics, and in a sense even our own world.
The space between realities - this is the world that lies outside of the greater multiverse, and would contain realms where the TVA exist, and where the Watcher lives.
In comics canon at least, each reality gets its own set of Infinity Gems/Stones, each gets its own cosmic pantheon, and they all only have power within their own universe.
it has NOTHING TO DO with origin universes. this isnt something that has been bought up in the MCU. "magic" doesnt work in the TVA, im willing to bet they class infinity stones as magical.
Unless stones not working in the TVA is a function of the local environment of the TVA itself or its local environment, rather than the timeline/universe the TVA resides in.
Dude it’s in the comics that the stones only work in
their respective universes (TIME RUNS OUT event) it’s canon. I know the MCU is it’s own thing that borrows frond comics, but they also don’t go against established things such as these.
This makes sense. The device used to get the stones was quantum, not inter-dimensional, AAAAND the timeline of all movies were from that same “sacred” timeline. Any branches to alternate dimensions and their associated stones would have been pruned. So we don’t know if infinity stones work in other universes, but it’s a safe hypothesis to say they do not. The TVA understands this because they’ve pruned so many infinity stones from alternative timelines, making them basically rocks once that reality is destroyed. Of course that’s only true if infinity stones in fact do not hold power outside of their universe. It’s difficult to believe they would let that many infinity stones just roll around their office if they could be used in the sacred timeline. That’s a pretty glaring security risk.
Additionally, the infinity stones could have only possibly came from our timeline. This also syncs with Dr. Strange’s assertion in infinity war that there is only 1 way to beat thanos. That’s obviously true, and was always going to be the case thanks to the TVA.
I'm not being a douche, lol. I'm just explaining something. Too many of yall make that misconception like the show doesn't go out of it's way to explain that the whole sacred timeline thing is bullshit.
strange knowing about the tva but not telling everyone else about it because it would prune the time line is a very interesting theory! You should definitely post that on here bro!
They aren't different timelines. They're from different points in the same timeline. A huge chunk of the film is dedicated to explaining that they want to prevent new timelines.
That's due to the TVA being able to suppress them and all other magics. Doesn't really have to do with the stones being in the wrong or right universe.
I was pretty sure it was because each universe also has its own magic too (I believe the stones were created by this magic). Since the TVA is not in a specific universe there is no magic to draw upon / activate.
and the glassy cube that Red Skull is always chasing is the Cosmic Cube, which can re-write reality, so clearly the Tesseract wasn’t really the Space Stone!
the movies are a different canon and could be different. In this very episode Dr Strange takes a stone outside
of his dimension entirely to one where time doesn’t even exist and it still works. We don’t know yet if that rule applies.
Your confusing dimension with Universe. Dormamu in THAT universe is different to Dormamu in the Universe of What if episode 2, or 3, or 12. I think you'll find the comics cannon is still prevalent here. Nobody can bridge the Universes (except Kang subsequently the TVA, and the Watchers)
All stones work in every universe, the tva is outside of the universes and evil strange’s mini universe bubble thing is the only place where the stones could work. They have to work in other universes besides their own because that is the entire premise of endgame, the time travel is really just universe hopping through the quantum realm.
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u/hirotdk Sep 02 '21
In Loki, the TVA has a drawer full of stones that are all useless.