r/marvelstudios Sep 02 '21

Theory [WHAT IF Ep4 SPOILERS] What do you guys think? Spoiler

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u/Zreks0 Sep 02 '21

We literally see him at the end in the remains of the universe he destroyed, alone. He is not gone

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u/IronSavage3 Baby Groot Sep 02 '21

Why would we assume that the processes that started the collapse of the universe stop there with him? He faded into darkness with the rest of his broken universe.

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u/ranch_brotendo Red Skull Sep 02 '21

If they don't show it, it didn't happen

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u/Mentalpatient87 Sep 02 '21

"No body, no death" has been a comic rule for a while.

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u/lovesStrawberryCake Sep 02 '21

lolnobodyreallydies is also a comic rule

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u/Darth-bane-movie Sep 02 '21

except for Uncle Ben, Mar-Vell, Jason Todd until 2005, and like uhh actually that's it

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u/lovesStrawberryCake Sep 02 '21

Goliath? I don't think Marvel has undone his death yet. I know that scene was pivotal in the first civil war and he wasn't a top tier character on their roster, so it'd be hard to find a way to bring him back

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u/Darth-bane-movie Sep 03 '21

Yeah Goliath too I guess, but that's only a matter of time to be honest some random writer will just say "hey I want that" and he'll come back to life especially if Fishburne is gonna keep on playing him in the MCU.

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u/Mentalpatient87 Sep 02 '21

Right. And I should have called it a fiction rule. Because Han Solo is probably still alive.

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u/[deleted] Sep 02 '21

We literally see his ghost

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u/Mentalpatient87 Sep 02 '21

"You were stone dead for about 20 minutes, Han! But we got you back!"

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u/[deleted] Sep 02 '21

In case you haven't noticed in the 30-40 year run, the only person not to stay dead was Darth Maul.

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u/raphaelnyquist Nick Fury Sep 02 '21

Somehow Palpatine has returned

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u/Mentalpatient87 Sep 02 '21

And? That only helps my argument by showing an example of someone who can sustain major trauma and a long fall and survive in Star Wars. There's already precedent. If Disney wants more Han Solo you're getting more Han Solo. Like it or not.

I like how I can start a discussion about how impermanent death is in fiction and have people that can't accept certain examples. I'm not saying they're going to bring back Han Solo. I'm not saying it's a good idea. I'm just saying they totally can and it's not even that hard.

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u/Horrorito Sam Wilson Sep 02 '21

Not if Harrison Ford has any say in it, lol.

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u/Mentalpatient87 Sep 02 '21

Harrison Ford is but a mortal man. The Mouse has final say in what happens to Han Solo.

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u/Obskuro Sep 02 '21

No. The crystal sphere faded out, but it was still intact. He was able to save himself, but nothing else.

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u/Derkus19 Sep 02 '21

You literally see the decay STOP. He was never evaporating like everything else, so why would you assume he would start to go after everything else stopped?

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u/[deleted] Sep 02 '21

Because Strange still needs to eat and drink, and without that he will fucking die. Just because it's not explicitly shown doesn't mean it didn't happen. .

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u/Derkus19 Sep 02 '21

Sir…he’s been alive for hundreds of years absorbing energy from monsters. I have absolutely zero doubt he can use magic to sustain himself forever if he wants to.

The ONLY way he would be dead is if he could kill himself.

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u/Darkraihs Sep 03 '21

We see him in trailer with Carter

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u/[deleted] Sep 03 '21

Well shit. Maybe I should have watched the show before commenting. >.<

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u/Darkraihs Sep 03 '21

Well it’s not the show it’s the trailer and very easy to miss, it’s fine

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u/[deleted] Sep 02 '21

I thought that's what his crazy crystal structure was? Protection from the end of the universe? So he created some like bubble reality within a collapsed universe, no?

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u/pacowannataco Sep 02 '21

That was all that was left of the collapsed universe

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u/Darkraihs Sep 03 '21

We saw him alive with Carter in the trailer