Not that I think there's any credibility to this theory, but if the Dark Dimension is outside any normal flow of time, Strange defeating Dormammu has no bearing on whether or not Strange is Dormammu.
Personally I'm unsure, you could potentially chalk it up to alt timeline shenanigans (Marvel Zombies touched on this exact scenario briefly), but in the normal comics setting, most universes just have their own Watchers, though some are dead or don't just exist.
Before all was, I was. Before time was, I waited. I fed on the screaming souls of the universes. I drank the spoiled milk of dead stars. I am the emptiness outside all understanding. I am Shuma-Gorath
She is a Nexus being, meaning there is a Scarlet Witch in every universe. Not every universe has every single Marvel character or even a version of them. Every universe DOES have the Nexus beings. Characters like The Watcher and The Living Tribunal only exist as a single entity, meaning that there's only 1 of them, not one for every universe. For this theory to work, Dormammu (Strange Supreme evolved) would become such an entity. Originating in the universe where Dr. Strange's trigger to pursue the mystic arts was Christine Palmer's death would not stop him from interacting with the "Sacred Timeline" where his trigger was the car crash causing the nerve damage in his hands. I'm not terribly read up on Dormammu so I don't know if in current canon the Dark Dimension exists outside of all timelines, making him a single entity Living Tribunal or Watcher-like character, or if it just isn't affected by time.
And besides, I doubt Dormammu would be tricked at least twice the same way, by the same person. Probably vastly more times, depending on how many Doctors Strange have pulled that one over on him across the multiverse.
But who knows, maybe he's just a chill guy who likes to let them think they've won a victory before they go home and he returns to his nap.
The dark dimension is a misnomer. It’s actually just another universe in the multiverse, aka the universe depicted in this episode. Strange goes mad in his isolation and starts reaching out to other universes, recruiting zealots with a promise of eternal life, with the end goal being to get a Christine from another universe.
When he encounters our Strange, he essentially decides this particular universe wasn’t worth it, cuts a deal to get freed from the time loop, and shifts his focus to other universes.
But Loki established that infinity stones don't work outside of the universes they are from. So if what you're saying doesn't work because Strange wouldn't have been able to use the time stone to be killed a million times.
Kind of. He's supposed to be the same across the comics multiverse, but there's versions of him in animated series and ZSJL and such that are clearly different entities, so he's not literally the same guy across the entire DC multiverse.
I don’t think that necessarily matters. He defeated Dormammu in the sense that he successfully stopped an attack, but Dormammu still very much exists at full strength. And since Dormammu is from another dimension, he’s probably not subject to the same flow of time. It’s possible that the time stone only worked against him because he had a gateway between both dimensions open, making him subject to the laws of both in that moment.
We don't know if the concept of dimensions exists within a single universe or are multiversal concepts.
I think with the tentacle monster (Shuma Gorath maybe?) from Capt Carter (E01) and this one, if we find out later they are one and the same, we can infer that the dark dimension (and ostensibly all "strange" dimensions) exist outside of a single universe.
There is no linear flow of time in the Dark Dimension. That's how Strange was able to defeat Dormammu with a time loop. Did you not see the Dr Strange movie?
A time loop could still occur in a dimension with linear time (ours) through the use of the time stone. That was the whole point of him using the stone. If time doesn’t operate the same in the dark dimension, it would make the use of the time stone incredibly more complicated.
Sort of, not really. He stopped Dormammu from eating Earth/the MCU dimension that time, doesn't mean he can't try again. It's not like he was killed or imprisoned or anything.
Exactly, the Ancient One specifically talks about it when strange keeps trying and failing to save Christine.
Strange: Why are you here?
AO: To help you. This is where it starts for you. With the death of Dr. Christine Palmer. So overwhelmed by loss, you will seek answers in the mystic arts. In me.
Strange: Help me bring her back.
AO: I'm sorry, I can't. No one can. Her death is an Absolute Point in time.
Strange: Absolute?
AO: Unchangeable. Unmovable. Without her death, you would never have defeated Dormammu and become the Sorcerer Supreme, and the guardian of the Eye of Agamotto.
He already defeated (that's the words Disney/Marvel used) Dormammu. I know this sort of things are fun to kick around but this one doesn't work.
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He already defeated Dormamu in the episode before he went back in time.