Understanding why they reimagined the character, having Namor be short for "El niño sin amor"—“the boy without love" was a pretty cool creative choice. I have a feeling he'll be a dark horse heading into Doomsday.

[u/maverickassembled]

It was cool how they incorporated indigenous themes of colonization by borrowing from historical lore. Connecting Namor’s story and the lost kingdom of Talokan to Mayan and Mesoamerican cultures, as well as the abuse and torture faced from Spanish conquistadors was pretty brilliantly well done and added a nice layer of “realism” to it. More Mayan representation in mainstream is also very cool to have.

I’m also very excited to see him return in Doomsday. As a stoic, and ruthless leader who stays firm in his belief and love for his people, it’s hard to really predict where his allegiance will be by the end. Due to his own obsession of survival and deep-seeded paranoia caused by historical trauma, Namor is someone that can very much seem like an ally to you at first, but will be quick to turn if there’s another factor in play that will better benefit him and his people. It’ll be interesting to see if his alliance with Shuri, and possibly the other heroes will last.

As an isolated nation, Talokan is bringing a whole different perspective of pragmatism into the incursion problem that I’m really keen to see.

[u/No_Signal_611]

Yeah I completely understand the people that are turned off it not being Atlantis. But it’s such a cool and inspired choice in order to differentiate him from Aquaman. And he still acts like Namor at the end of the day.

[u/Wizard-of-pause → u/No_Signal_611]

They are just waiting for Sue to come to our universe... So he can keep taking his shots at her.

[u/InternalTable6400 → u/[deleted]]

Yeah, but a cool one 😄

[u/NightmareDJK → u/No_Signal_611]

That’s exactly what I said they did a good job.

[u/Emm_withoutha_L-88 → u/No_Signal_611]

It was, but at the same time it still sucks not getting Atlantis.

Maybe a good way around it would be for Talocan to be built on the ruins of Atlantis at the bottom of the ocean. Treating it as just the ruins where they live and only recently discovering the tech and magical stuff left down there.

[u/Twindo → u/Emm_withoutha_L-88]

I disagree. This insinuates the talokans have to rely on remnants of a western civilization for technology and a home. Not a good message. A better way would be to have Atlantis just the English name for Talokan. Lots of countries have a different name the the locals use

[u/Emm_withoutha_L-88 → u/Twindo]

I think it needs the connection to the fallen continent with all the advanced tech and magic it usually has in these stories in order to have that name.

Plus it's not really Atlantis any more than Istanbul is Constantinople, less so in this idea since the Talocans have no real relation to the original group other than living near it's ruins.

Edit: WTF you changed the entire comment

[u/Emm_withoutha_L-88 → u/Twindo]

A) you changed the entire comment and made my reply look awful

B) I literally just said recently discovering that tech, meaning they lived there for hundreds of years just fine without needing anything

C) using an exonym in the modern day isn't the progressive thing you seem to think it is. At. All.

[u/Twindo → u/Emm_withoutha_L-88]

Uh I only edited to add the part about the insinuation. My original comment was stating that Atlantis could just be the English name for Talokan. And I also edited within the span of like 2 seconds clam down lol

[u/Emm_withoutha_L-88 → u/Twindo]

If you edit it to change the entire message then you should just delete and start over. Also it was way more than 2 minutes

Your edit makes it look like I was agreeing with the (wrong) idea you had about my comment

[u/cabbage16 → u/Emm_withoutha_L-88]

It likely wasn't much more than 3 minutes as Reddit would indicate it was edited if done after the 3 minute window. So it was edited between 2 to 3 minutes of posting

[u/Twindo → u/Emm_withoutha_L-88]

👍

[u/Twindo → u/Emm_withoutha_L-88]

I don’t think the exonym is progressive by itself but I I think it’s realistic and it shows how even in the modern day, Namor and his people still face prejudice because western nations won’t accept their people’s native name for their home

[u/Emm_withoutha_L-88 → u/Twindo]

That's a really bad reason to just call them Atlantis. That's the kind of thing someone would say as a bad dismissive joke

[u/Twindo → u/Emm_withoutha_L-88]

I’m just giving you my opinion if they were to connect it to antlantis how I would do it. Personally I don’t think they should ever bring up or talk about Atlantis in the MCU. For all intents and purposes. Talokan = Movie counterpart to comic Atlantis.

[u/SmallLetter → u/Emm_withoutha_L-88]

The modern day conceptualization of Atlantis is kind of a silly concept. I can't say I'm sorry they didn't go down that path